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Prophecy is on Fast-Forward ^ | Undated | Thomas Ice

Posted on 04/06/2009 4:48:19 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta

I recall a conservative political commentator saying that the Democratic Party was the "A" team, while the Republicans were the "B" team on the road to socialism. Boy, oh boy was that a truism. Things are moving so fast in the last six months that stage-setting events are happening so fast that no one person can keep up with events. Prophecy is on fast-forward!

Stage Setting

Virtually all future prophecy will start to be fulfilled when the rapture occurs ending the church age. Then the world will enter the time when the birth pangs that Jesus spoke of begin to be fulfilled (Matt. 24:8). This post-rapture period known in the Old Testament as the "latter days" (Deut. 4:30; Jer. 30:24; 48:47; Dan. 2:28; 10:14), the "last days" (Jer. 23:20; 49:39; Ezek. 38:16), and the "latter years" (Ezek. 38:8) will last for seven years (Dan. 9:24–27; compare with Rev. 11:2, 3; 12:6; 13:5). None of what is happening today indicates that the rapture is near since that event is a signless event that could happen at any moment. Are you ready for the rapture?

The signs of the times that are occurring today relate to Israel as God is preparing the world for the time when He will resume His plan for Israel and that will then involve the fulfillment of times and seasons. One major indicator that we are likely near the beginning of the tribulation is the clear fact that national Israel has been reconstituted after almost 2,000 years. The signs also relate to what is happening in the Gentile world as we move toward a global government centered in the Revived Roman Empire, which is mainly Europe. Dr. John Walvoord explains the significance of signs occurring in our own day as follows:

But if there are no signs for the Rapture itself, what are the legitimate grounds for believing that the Rapture could be especially near of this generation? The answer is not found in any prophetic events predicted before the Rapture but in understanding the events that will follow the Rapture. Just as history was prepared for Christ's first coming, in a similar way history is preparing for the events leading up to His Second Coming. . . . If this is the case, it leads to the inevitable conclusion that the Rapture may be excitingly near.[1]

Signs For Our Day

In every generation since Christ's ascension there have been Christians who thought that there was reason for His return in their lifetime. However, almost all of these past expectations were derived from the belief that they were experiencing events of the tribulation in their own day. Only in the last 200 years have some interpreters begun to return to a literal, futurist understanding of the impending events of the tribulation, as generally held by most in the early Church. Thus, while so many have believed that Christ's return was near, the basis for such an understanding has not always been the same down through the history of the church—that the church was in the tribulation. The fact that Israel became a nation in 1948 is an undeniable fact of history that indicates that God is up to something in history in our day that could not be said in previous times.

God's plan for history always moves forward in relation to what He is doing with Israel. Thus, the fact that Israel has been and continues to be reconstituted as a nation is prophetically significant, so significant that it makes Israel God's "super-sign" of the end times. Were Israel not a nation again it would be impossible for events of the end time to occur since so many of them take place in that tiny country or in reference to her. But she has returned and so it is that all other aspects of Bible prophecy are also being prepared for the grand finale of history.

Recently we have seen that the European Union threatened and warned Israel about not being open to the so-called "two-state solution" of the Arab-Israeli conflict in their effort to impose a human solution to the conflict.

The prospect of a new hawkish government, with Israel Beiteinu chairman Avigdor Lieberman as a possible foreign minister, will be seen in Europe as a setback to the Middle East peace process.

"Let me say very clearly that the way the European Union will relate to an [Israeli] government that is not committed to a two-state solution will be very, very different," said Javier Solana, the EU's foreign and security affairs chief.[2]

New Israeli Prime Minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, is opposed to the two-state solution, which is the EU's framework for dealing with the problem. Whatever the supposed human solution affixed to this crisis will bring, the situation will not be genuinely solved until our Lord returns and imposes His will as the ultimate solution to the situation.

Since the election of Obama to the White House, we also see the United States changing from a sympathetic supporter of Israel to one who will be pressing for an imposed solution. New Secretary of State, Hilary Clinton is said by observers of the Mid-East Conflict to have shifted her pro Israel position she displayed as a U. S. Senator from New York.

Morton A. Klein, President of the Zionist Organization of America, is just one of many supporters of Israel who say that Hillary Clinton, an outspoken supporter of a Palestinian state, has made an anti-Israel switch of late. Klein writes that the U.S. Secretary of State, once a "reliable and vocal supporter of Israel," has now taken many positions that are not in Israel's interest.[3]


When George W. Bush was president he was ostracized and viciously attacked for acting upon the national interests of the United States within the now dominate global environment. As a pronounced citizen of the world, Obama instead insists that we must all shoulder "the burdens of global citizenship."[4] Thus, the United States of America, the last major holdout against global governance, has under President Obama joined efforts to deal with most matters within the framework of globalism. Whatever reluctance was shown in the past, America has now officially under the Obama administration joined the global community lock, stock, and barrel.

Scripture teaches that the Antichrist will rise to power out of a federation of nations that correlate in some way with the Roman Empire of two thousand years ago. Dr. J. Dwight Pentecost explains:

Now, when we turn to the prophecies of Daniel 2 and 7 and to Revelation 13 and 17 and other parallel passages, we find that at the end time, during the Tribulation period, the final form of Gentile world power is a federation of ten separate nations, the ten toes or ten horns. It seems as though Europe's leaders are advocating that which Daniel prophesied hundreds of years before Christ, when he said that the final form of Roman world power would be a federation of independent states who elect one man to take authority over them while maintaining their own sovereign authority. The more movement we see in Europe for a common market and a federation of nations, the closer the coming of our Lord must be.[5]

One would have to be totally ignorant of developments within the world of our day to not admit that through the efforts of the European Union, Humpty Dumpty is finally being put back together again. This is occurring, like all of the other needed developments of prophecy, at just the right time to be in place for the coming tribulation period. Prophecy popularizer, Hal Lindsey tells us:

"A generation ago, no one could have dreamed that an empire formed of the nations that were part of old Rome could possibly be revived. But today, as Europe is on the advent of real unity, we see the potential fulfillment of another vital prophecy leading to the return of our Lord Jesus Christ."[6]


British Prime Minister Gordon Brown has recently said concerning the global economic downturn that we all should seek global solutions. He further said that the world has never been more willing to see globalism as the answer to our problems, to which he also promised a bright future if we join arms and march in this direction. Henry Kissinger has recently said on multiple occasions that President Obama has a tremendous opportunity to steer America toward globalism in an effort to deal with our problems. Kissinger has further opined that only globalists can solve these problems in the area of economics, environment, agriculture, religion, political, and so on.

It may be true that mankind without God and His word cannot figure out how to solve the pressing problems of humanity without some kind of global governance. However, the realities concerning these matters are always and only found in the Bible and in our Lord's plan for the future as outlined through biblical prophecy. Some critics say that we become fatalists because we trust the veracity of Bible prophecy and thereby contribute to the decline of culture and society. Yet, how can we expect people to find biblical solutions to their problems when they are clearly and vocally in rebellion against God? What Bible-believing Christian would want the unbelieving world to succeed in solving the world's problems apart from God and His word? The Bible predicts this kind of direction and outcome because man is sinful and God is righteous. However, for any individual who will listen to God's word, He has provided a way of salvation through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. Listen to Him. Maranatha!

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To: Radix

The Church fathers never had a problem with Acts. They did with Revelation. Check your early Church history.

101 posted on 04/07/2009 6:48:37 AM PDT by Melchior
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To: Cvengr

Indeed the early Church fathers did pick and choose what would comprise the New Testament. It was a close call on the Gospel of Thomas, just as Revelation had its detractors.

102 posted on 04/07/2009 6:51:16 AM PDT by Melchior
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To: Star Traveler

That is precisely what a Muslim would say of the Kuran — a dream-sequence related by Muhammid to the scribes.

103 posted on 04/07/2009 6:54:12 AM PDT by Melchior
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To: Melchior

You said — That is precisely what a Muslim would say of the Kuran — a dream-sequence related by Muhammid to the scribes.

Of course..., you’re right in that any “made-up” religion can attempt to validate itself by making false claims for itself. The difference comes in when you *test* the claims and the purported facts in those writings with real-world facts. And that’s where the Bible comes out on top. In all areas where the facts have been able to be checked the Bible is right. And in lots of instances for the Bible, things which were not true at one time, became true later (archeological evidence subsequently found and/or, for example, the re-establishment of the nation of Israel in its same homeland, after almost 2,000 years of being destroyed).

104 posted on 04/07/2009 7:12:43 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

Can Revelation be proven by “real world facts”? I think not. It is not one of the four great books, whose history is indisputable.

105 posted on 04/07/2009 7:44:35 AM PDT by Melchior
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To: Quix; Diver Dave; GiovannaNicoletta
Thank you so much for the ping to all the prophecy v current events articles!

And I apologize for my absence – there is so much going on, I can’t juggle things around to comment every time I’d like to.

IMHO, most of us whose spiritual discernment of Scripture is that Christ will fulfill the prophecy of an earthy 1,000 reign on earth before establishing the new heaven and new earth do see “signs of the times” ever increasingly in current events.

Those would include worldwide economic solutions, increasing global governance, an administration that might succeed in creating a peace treaty making Jerusalem an international city to host Judaism, Islam and Christianity and so on.

And, IMHO, at the top of the list is a spreading spiritual darkness which subordinates God in the minds of many.

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. – 2 Timothy 3:1-5

Obama’s religious affiliation is “liberation theology” which inverts the two commandments on which all the law and prophets hang. Instead of loving God surpassingly above all else, and as a distant second, loving our neighbors as ourselves – it has love of neighbor surpassingly above all else, including love of God. It is a form of godliness with no power and it deceives many.

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. – Matthew 22:37-40

And by my understanding of Scripture, the tribulation is due most any time now.

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. – Genesis 2:17

And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. – Genesis 5:5

The Jews and early Christians literally believe a day to God is a 1,000 years from man’s perspective (Sanhedrin 97a; Avodah Zarah Sa):

For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night. – Psalms 90:4

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. - 2 Peter 3:8

I submit that the number of days of Creation week are directly tied to Biblical prophesy. Namely, that Adamic man has been allotted a week – 7,000 years. The seventh day is the Sabbath, the 1,000 years Christ will reign on earth fulfilling the Jewish prophesy of an earthy Messiah ruling Israel at peace with its neighbors. IOW, the Sabbath is also a prophecy:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ. - Colossians 2:16-17

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. – Mark 2:27-28

We can see this belief among the early Christians in the Epistle of Barnabas (not to be confused with the Gospel of Barnabas, a late sixteenth century pro-Islam fraud.) The epistle is thought to be written in the first few centuries after the Resurrection of Jesus. It is an ancient belief:

Of the Sabbath He speaketh in the beginning of the creation; And God made the works of His hands in six days, and He ended on the seventh day, and rested on it, and He hallowed it. Give heed, children, what this meaneth; He ended in six days. He meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years; and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of the Lord shall be as a thousand years.

Therefore, children, in six days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end. And He rested on the seventh day. this He meaneth; when His Son shall come, and shall abolish the time of the Lawless One, and shall judge the ungodly, and shall change the sun and the moon and the stars, then shall he truly rest on the seventh day.

Yea and furthermore He saith; Thou shalt hallow it with pure hands and with a pure heart. If therefore a man is able now to hallow the day which God hallowed, though he be pure in heart, we have gone utterly astray. But if after all then and not till then shall we truly rest and hallow it, when we shall ourselves be able to do so after being justified and receiving the promise, when iniquity is no more and all things have been made new by the Lord, we shall be able to hallow it then, because we ourselves shall have been hallowed first.

Finally He saith to them; Your new moons and your Sabbaths I cannot away with. Ye see what is His meaning ; it is not your present Sabbaths that are acceptable [unto Me], but the Sabbath which I have made, in the which, when I have set all things at rest, I will make the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another world.

Wherefore also we keep the eighth day for rejoicing, in the which also Jesus rose from the dead, and having been manifested ascended into the heavens. - chapter 15:3-9

So the tribulation could begin most any time (if it hasn’t already) – or it could be a few centuries away, depending on how one figures the number of years that have elapsed since Adam became mortal.

But I do not worry about the tribulation. I do not dread it. When it comes, the rebellion will end as it should, as it must.

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39

Maranatha, Jesus!!!

106 posted on 04/07/2009 7:54:28 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: aruanan; SisterK
I don't think that anyone's maintaining that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday. It's just that Sunday is the Lord's day, being the day he rose from the grave.

That is one way of looking at it.

Another way is that Yah'shua rose on the day
following the Shabbat following Pesach
which is the YHvH commanded Feast of First Fruits.

It begins just after sundown after Shabbat(Saturday evening).

The YHvH commanded Feast runs for seven weeks plus one day,
and it ends on the other YHvH commanded Feast of Shavuot ( Pentecost)

See Leviticus 23 for details.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
107 posted on 04/07/2009 7:54:46 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Melchior

Only God, Himself, knows the end from the beginning — which happens to be the *verification* for Scripture. And since all things for the future haven’t happened yet, you’ll have to wait for the verification on certain parts of Scripture.

You’ll note that I said, previously, “In all areas where the facts have been able to be checked the Bible is right.”

Some facts are future, and will await their *actual occurrence* for verification (in the same way that Jesus’ coming was “future” at the time before He arrived on earth the first time). These events in Revelation are also “future” (for us..., just as events were future for those people back in history at the time of His first coming). And these are events for Jesus Christ’s second coming.

For those parts which have already happened, we have the proof.

So, you’ll get your proof, when God’s pronouncements about the “future” become the “present”... :-)

And, once again, you’ve got the same “mentality” of others (too) — which indicates that “mankind” gets to pick and choose what is okay for God to say and what He shouldn’t say. Sorry, all of Scripture is God’s word, whatever books He had His hand in being written.

108 posted on 04/07/2009 7:55:08 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Alamo-Girl

And the eighth day is the day of renewal... :-)

109 posted on 04/07/2009 7:59:48 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Melchior
..."Check your early Church history."

Early Church history would certainly include the Acts of the Apostles.

Over the next 2-3 centuries there certainly was a lot of "interpretation" of what Luke wrote by persons who were not even born at the time of the Acts. Certainly a careful reading of Acts would make evident some of the problems that developed over the 20 plus decades until Nicaea and other Councils.

The fact that one would suggest that the Book of Revelation ought to be considered as not a legitimate part of the Canon is indicative of the sort of problems that "The Church" has these days.

Hey if your right eye offends thee, then pluck it out.

110 posted on 04/07/2009 8:05:20 AM PDT by Radix (Sometimes I wear my sarcasm in my Tag Line)
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To: Star Traveler
Indeed. Thank you for sharing your insights, dear Star Traveler!
111 posted on 04/07/2009 8:05:25 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Melchior
The Church fathers would have been wise to omit Revelation from the Bible. It is a tiresome dream-screed open to a million interpretations.

Boy, they sure got you hood-winked...

The fact that your church stuck Revelation into it's own bible when they didn't even believe what it said ought to open some eyes...God said HE would preserve HIS scripture whether your church agreed or not...Your church had no choice but to put Revelation in it's bible...

112 posted on 04/07/2009 8:54:56 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Thanks for your kind, substantive and thoughtful msg.

Always appreciate your thinking and pondering which is unfailingly Biblical.

. . . though in this case . . . you seem to have . . . unless I missed it . . . handily slid by the




113 posted on 04/07/2009 9:21:20 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt:
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To: guitarplayer1953; Quix
Quix I will be honest with you the main problem I have with the pre trib is that it makes bastard children of God out of the tribulation saints, Here you have a group who have been caught up in the air and become the Bride of Christ who may have or may have not ever seen any persecution in their lives and they are the bride. And then you have them who endured till the end did not take the mark of the beast who endured persecutions the whole tribulation period and they are not the bride? They become bastard children? Not in my book.

Then you've got the wrong book...

It is not just those that are Raptured that become the Bride of Christ...It includes all Christians who have passed on before them...

Those that were 'left behind', were left behind because they did not accept Jesus as their Saviour while they had the opportunity...If they accept Jesus as their Saviour during the Tribulation, they will not be bastards...They will not be part of the Bride of Christ...They will be friends of the Bride and Groom...They will make it to heaven, but not as the Bride...

Although there were many Christian martyrs in times past, I suspect most Christians thru-out history died of disease or bad health (old age) of one sort or another...They will be with us at the Rapture...

114 posted on 04/07/2009 9:34:00 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Quix
One fellow I read . . . wrote as I’d often wondered about . . . that there might be 3-4 or more. . . . a kind of gleaning as the sheaves of grain become . . . ripe.

The bible refers to it as the firstfruits, the (main) harvest-Rapture, and then the gleanings...

115 posted on 04/07/2009 9:37:15 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Absolutely excellent post! Amen.

116 posted on 04/07/2009 10:02:13 AM PDT by JesusBmyGod (Baruch HaBa B'Shem Adonai)
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To: Quix
Always appreciate your thinking and pondering which is unfailingly Biblical. . . . though in this case . . . you seem to have . . . unless I missed it . . . handily slid by the GREAT SNATCH issue!

Hmmm... I thought I have made myself clear on the point for a long time now.

I am pre-wrath based on the following passages:

Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. - Revelation 3:10

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, - I Ths 5:9

And this parable:

Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five [were] foolish.

They that [were] foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

But the wise answered, saying, [Not so]; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. - Matthew 25:1-13

My discernment concerning the parable is tied to the candlesticks in Revelation 1-3 and the Sermon on the Mount reference to lamps - that by loving God surpassing above all else, yielding to the indwelling Spirit - a Christian will be ready to be raptured. The ones who were chosen for Him and knew better but were unprepared will have to endure at least some of the tribulation (Rev 7:14).

But I would not venture a guess as to when exactly the rapture will occur, pre or mid trib - just pre-wrath.

Maranatha, Jesus!!!

117 posted on 04/07/2009 10:04:43 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: JesusBmyGod
Thank you so much for your encouragements, dear brother in Christ!
118 posted on 04/07/2009 10:05:33 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Radix

Please re-read my response. I stated there was no problem with Acts. I stated and continue to state that the early Church fathers had a problem with Revelation. I have a problem with Revelation. I feel sure that this pleases some who would have God take away my share in the tree of life. So be it.

119 posted on 04/07/2009 10:22:57 AM PDT by Melchior
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To: Iscool

Did God tell us to place the Apocrypha in the Bible?

120 posted on 04/07/2009 10:24:41 AM PDT by Melchior
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