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[Rick] Warren waver on Prop 8 stuns leaders [lukewarm]
The Washington Times ^ | 2009-04-11

Posted on 04/10/2009 8:09:04 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

Stance about-face at issue.

BY JULIA DUIN

Evangelical leaders say they are bewildered and stunned by the Rev. Rick Warren's apparent turnaround on gay marriage after the famous California pastor said earlier this week that he was not a proponent of California's Proposition 8.

Mr. Warren told CNN's Larry King on Monday that he "never once even gave an endorsement" of the proposition, which said marriage in the state could only involve one man and one woman. The measure won at the polls last November by a close margin, in effect negating an earlier California Supreme Court ruling allowing gay marriages.

Proponents of the proposition had gathered from earlier comments that Mr. Warren stood with them on the issue, and they reacted vigorously to his CNN interview.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: ca2008; churchoflaodicea; enemyofthebible; evangelicals; fakechristians; falseteacher; flipflop; heretic; homosexualagenda; laodiceanchurch; lukewarm; marriage; pastor; prop8; rickwarren; saddleback
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1 posted on 04/10/2009 8:09:05 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

Pastor of Brokback Church


2 posted on 04/10/2009 8:10:20 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: rabscuttle385

“Jesus wept”.


3 posted on 04/10/2009 8:11:53 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Another unprincipled, two-faced loser.


4 posted on 04/10/2009 8:13:22 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: rabscuttle385

“Hey, I just want to be popular. That’s my bottom line.”


5 posted on 04/10/2009 8:15:46 PM PDT by Travis McGee ("Foreign Enemies And Traitors" has gone to the printer.)
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To: Reagan Man

People just like him have had their own demons with infidelity, homosexuality, etc.

If Warren is a closet case, I wouldn’t be surprised in the least.


6 posted on 04/10/2009 8:15:47 PM PDT by Carling ("We've lost two people in my family because you dickheads won't cut trees down," - Warwick Spooner)
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To: rabscuttle385
Hugh Hewitt, a longtime champion of Rick Warren, is also a longtime champion of Mitt Romney.

At least he's consistent in the kinds of "conservatives" he supports!

7 posted on 04/10/2009 8:16:19 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Jeremiah 5: No One is Upright
(WHOLE CHAPTER HERE: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=30&chapter=5&version=31 )

Verses 30-31

30 “A horrible and shocking thing
has happened in the land:

31 The prophets prophesy lies,
the priests rule by their own authority,
and my people love it this way.
But what will you do in the end?


8 posted on 04/10/2009 8:17:13 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Carling

Pastor Warren, I guess must have been out of town the day they taught 1 Timothy at divinity school.


9 posted on 04/10/2009 8:19:38 PM PDT by Patrick1 (I'm not calling in sick; I'm calling in gone!)
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To: rabscuttle385

This is what happens when a church is more focused on growth than the gospel..


10 posted on 04/10/2009 8:20:25 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: Travis McGee

exactly


11 posted on 04/10/2009 8:20:29 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (Pit bulls - the SUVs of the animal world.)
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To: rabscuttle385

I can’t think of an evangelical “leader” who would be shocked by Rick Warren taking the wide path.


12 posted on 04/10/2009 8:20:50 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: N3WBI3

Pretty much sums it up.

growth, success of Warren > Gospel


13 posted on 04/10/2009 8:22:59 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Finny
Hugh Hewitt, a longtime champion of Rick Warren, is also a longtime champion of Mitt Romney.

Hewitt also fully supported Rudy Giuliani. He is Republican hack more than a Christian.

14 posted on 04/10/2009 8:24:14 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: rabscuttle385

I’m hoping this is about confusion and mischievous “reporting”. Proposition 8 was pretty clear, and Warren came out in favor of it, which was the right thing to do. What, he takes a little flak from “opponents” and then goes all wobbly? You can’t be all things to all people, just to be “popular”. Warren of all people should know better.


15 posted on 04/10/2009 8:28:25 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (What did Obama's Teleprompter know, and when did it know it...)
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To: antceecee

Maybe the O invited Warren to stay at the White House. So Rick sold his soul to the Imam.


16 posted on 04/10/2009 8:28:36 PM PDT by Sir Clancelot
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To: rabscuttle385
Warren is publicly exposing himself for whom he really is. A marketer, not a man of God. Jesus said “If ye love me, keep my commandments” (John 14:15), and God demands heterosexual marriage, not sodomy. 1 John 2:3-4 says, “We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”
17 posted on 04/10/2009 8:29:51 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Don't beLIEve Obama...........every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. 2 Thess 2:10)
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To: rabscuttle385
Haven't people figured out by now that Rick Warren traded Biblical principles in for money and power?

GEESH!

It's so OBVIOUS.

He's also the main culprit behind the entertainment driven “church”. Warren is a self serving wolf in sheep's clothing. He's another fraud. It's no wonder he spoke at the Obomination’s inauguration.

18 posted on 04/10/2009 8:30:56 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Reagan Man

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


19 posted on 04/10/2009 8:31:26 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: antceecee

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

and

POWER over principle.


20 posted on 04/10/2009 8:32:16 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Sir Clancelot

Warren sold his soul to the devil a long time ago.

People just didn’t want to see it.

They liked his rewritten unbiblical teachings.

WORKS DRIVEN “faith”.


21 posted on 04/10/2009 8:33:30 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Sir Clancelot
He did pray in the name of “Issa”, the Qur’anic false jesus, at the inauguration.
22 posted on 04/10/2009 8:34:45 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Don't beLIEve Obama...........every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. 2 Thess 2:10)
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To: rabscuttle385
What's so ironic is that Warren, in his obvious attempt to placate the homo-lobby, will actually increase their disdain for him. His two faced lie was too obvious, and no one likes a schemer.

He'd be much better off just saying he was wrong to support Prop 8, if the love of the homo-nazis is what he's after.

23 posted on 04/10/2009 8:35:34 PM PDT by fwdude ("...a 'centrist' ... has few principles - and those are negotiable." - Don Feder)
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To: rabscuttle385
People I knew gave me a lot of funny looks when I told them I do not think Rick Warren is the real thing.

Now my belief of him is vindicated. When a man's importance in the world becomes more important to him then the word of God, the man will be exposed by God Himself.
24 posted on 04/10/2009 8:44:20 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Travis McGee

I think that’s it. He doesn’t want to be “controversial”.

He wants everyone to like him.


25 posted on 04/10/2009 8:46:09 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: OneVike

Rick Warren and Joel Osteen are cut from the same cloth. People give ME funny looks when I tell them Joel ain’t the real thing.


26 posted on 04/10/2009 8:48:35 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: LibertyRocks

INDEED.

SIGH.


27 posted on 04/10/2009 8:51:08 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: rabscuttle385
This interview in 2008, one minute saying it is like marrying your sister, but divorce is worse, but then he says he can't be against gays because he has them as friends and they do so much for AIDS. Anybody got a translator handy? Getting a divorce is as bad as passing AIDS to a partner or incest? BUT, I am too skeered to be accused of hate speech so I will straddle the fence and agree with both sides as a minister? He does say civil unions which is allowed in Caifornia and not what prop 8 is about. Another confusing statement.

Obama’s selection of Warren to give the invocation the day he was sworn-in as president sparked considerable controversy, mainly because of Warren’s statements regarding gay marriage.

In an interview with Beliefnet, Warren compared gay marriage to marriage between a brother and a sister, or marriage between an older man and a child or even polygamy.

“This is not a Christian issue. Historically, a marriage is a man and a woman,” Warren said, explaining that he mainly opposed California’s Proposition 8 because it would have classified sermons by preachers against gay marriage as “hate speech.”

But, said Warren in the interview, it’s a “no brainer” that divorce is a bigger threat to marriage than gay couples being allowed to wed. And, Warren added, that he had no problem with civil unions that give legal rights to gay couples such as health insurance and hospital visitation rights, a position out of line with most conservative evangelicals.

“I have many gay friends…I’ve eaten din in gay homes,” Warren said. “No church has probably done more for people with AIDSs than Saddleback Church.”

This is the couple who go to Kenya as missionaries. They tried to alert everyone who obama was and his intent last year. Here they speak of A Purpose Driven Life. I don't know anything about the Loren Davis religion.

http://www.lorendavis.com/articles_pdl-unscr.pdf

Rick Warren is an alumnus of Fuller Theological school.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fuller_Theological_Seminary_people

28 posted on 04/10/2009 8:52:41 PM PDT by OafOfOffice ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace"Thomas Paine)
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What has happened is simple and tragic: Rock Warren has been corrupted. I don’t believe in bolting churches or denominations just because, say, you don’t like the choir. However, since Rick Warren — or the Bible as translated by Rick Warren — is the final authority at his church, it is clear that orthodox Christians at Saddleback should leave Saddleback for another one.


29 posted on 04/10/2009 8:53:57 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: Ol' Sparky

Mitt Romney isn’t going to backpedal on gay marriage. I know, I know: Romney didn’t used to think right on this issue. However, I am satisfied that he now knows which side his political bread is buttered on.


30 posted on 04/10/2009 8:56:03 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: Quix

YEP... It’s sad, and predictable, and shocking, and horrifying, and sad again all at the same time...

I really wanted to copy and paste the whole chapter in the thread. I go through looking at it and trying to pull out a few good parts that I can make example out of in what is happening, and then I’ve gone for half the chapter and haven’t found the end of the part I feel people need to hear! It’s very frustrating...

It’s baffling how ANYONE who claims to know the Bible and God could get things so wrong... EVERY. TIME. I SEE IT. EVERY. TIME. it is shocking even though it shouldn’t be.

OK, I know what I’m trying to say I think — with the frustration... It’s in the Chapter! LOL (DUH)

JEREMIAH 5:21 -
21 Hear this, you foolish and senseless people,
who have eyes but do not see,
who have ears but do not hear:


31 posted on 04/10/2009 9:06:50 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Secret Agent Man
You are oh so right on!

If you truly have Christ in you, then you cannot be deceived. Fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom. Rick Warren fears the powers of this world over God. Where is the wisdom in that?

Do not get me started on that heretical charlatan Joel Osteen. Every time some idiot posts something by him they close it to debate, any wonder?
32 posted on 04/10/2009 9:10:31 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: LibertyRocks

TRUE. TRUE.


33 posted on 04/10/2009 9:14:07 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

There is no confusion here. I saw him with my own eyes
on Larry King when he went totally squishy about gay
marriage, really disgraceful.
He is through as a big conservative, evangelical leader.


34 posted on 04/10/2009 9:15:16 PM PDT by Bainbridge
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To: utahagen
Romney didn’t used to think right on this issue. However, I am satisfied that he now knows which side his political bread is buttered on.

Who wants a candidate that only does the right thing to gain political power. We can certainly find a candidate that is a true believer in conservatism.

35 posted on 04/10/2009 9:16:10 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Carling
I cannot believe what I'm reading here. On second though, sadly, I can given the direction FR has taken.

The guy doesn't endorse Prop 8, and people are questioning whether he's gay? I supported it (from afar), but there are plenty of legitimate reasons a Christian could oppose Prop 8. I don't think it's even as clear an issue as abortion.

36 posted on 04/10/2009 9:22:12 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: rabscuttle385

Hmmmm...,. Obama “got to him”...


37 posted on 04/10/2009 9:22:27 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: rabscuttle385

Peter denied Jesus three times before the dawn.

Rick Warren is up to two...


38 posted on 04/10/2009 9:29:24 PM PDT by TruthHound ("He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." --Leonardo da Vinci)
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To: TruthHound
Seriously. I'm not a huge fan of the guy, or many of those “seeker-oriented” churches, but can't people show a little Christian grace? He's not exactly a false prophet.
39 posted on 04/10/2009 9:30:49 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: OneVike

The real problem here, and one endemic to Christianity at large is this: Rejection of the Torah. The Master Himself said, “Think not that I have come to abolish the Torah and the Prophets. I have not come to abolish but to fulfill; for until Heaven and earth pass away not one jot or tittle shall pass from the Torah ‘till all be fulfilled. Matt.5:17
The verses that follow make it plain that Yeshua observed the entire Torah and taught others to do so. He plainly stated that Torah will never be abrogated, including it’s prohibition of homosexual activity. Never. It is impossible to be his Talmid (disciple) and acquiesce to “Gay” propaganda. Warren failed the test.


40 posted on 04/10/2009 9:31:00 PM PDT by Torahman (Remember the Maccabees!)
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To: Arguendo
but there are plenty of legitimate reasons a Christian could oppose Prop 8.

Name one? Then back it up by the Scriptures.
41 posted on 04/10/2009 9:34:22 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Ol' Sparky; Finny

Hugh Hewitt is only marginally more credible than Michael Medved.
Hewitt threw a hissy fit the day that Tom Tancredo announced candidacy. I didn’t like Hewitt before, but that sealed it.
Does anyone remember that day on his show? He screamed, “no one cares about illegal immigration!”


42 posted on 04/10/2009 9:35:15 PM PDT by cybervyk
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To: Torahman

Amen


43 posted on 04/10/2009 9:36:02 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OafOfOffice
but then he says he can't be against gays because he has them as friends and they do so much for AIDS

Do so much for AIDS? Like what, spread it?
44 posted on 04/10/2009 9:37:16 PM PDT by cybervyk
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To: 444Flyer

Now, THAT is blasphemy!!!


45 posted on 04/10/2009 9:55:23 PM PDT by pankot
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To: rabscuttle385

I’m not a Rick Warren fan, and I am a Bible-thumping believer, but I don’t want the government getting involved in marriage at all.


46 posted on 04/10/2009 9:59:26 PM PDT by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: Travis McGee

You wrote “bottom.”


47 posted on 04/10/2009 10:00:30 PM PDT by Poe White Trash
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To: rabscuttle385

I’ve never liked this guy - he’s a little too caught up in his own fame.
Purpose Driven Life - nice words, but only that if the author follows them himself.


48 posted on 04/10/2009 10:00:51 PM PDT by mkleesma (`Call to me, and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.')
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To: OneVike
Do not get me started on that heretical charlatan Joel Osteen. Every time some idiot posts something by him they close it to debate, any wonder?

If you want to debate Osteen, just post whatever you want as an "OPEN" Thread.

There's nothing stopping you.

49 posted on 04/10/2009 10:02:37 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: rabscuttle385

Rick Warren is just another Jim Bakker/Jimmy Swaggert-style whore.


50 posted on 04/10/2009 10:08:27 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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