Skip to comments.[Rick] Warren waver on Prop 8 stuns leaders [lukewarm]
Posted on 04/10/2009 8:09:04 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
Stance about-face at issue.
BY JULIA DUIN
Evangelical leaders say they are bewildered and stunned by the Rev. Rick Warren's apparent turnaround on gay marriage after the famous California pastor said earlier this week that he was not a proponent of California's Proposition 8.
Mr. Warren told CNN's Larry King on Monday that he "never once even gave an endorsement" of the proposition, which said marriage in the state could only involve one man and one woman. The measure won at the polls last November by a close margin, in effect negating an earlier California Supreme Court ruling allowing gay marriages.
Proponents of the proposition had gathered from earlier comments that Mr. Warren stood with them on the issue, and they reacted vigorously to his CNN interview.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
Pastor of Brokback Church
Another unprincipled, two-faced loser.
“Hey, I just want to be popular. That’s my bottom line.”
People just like him have had their own demons with infidelity, homosexuality, etc.
If Warren is a closet case, I wouldn’t be surprised in the least.
At least he's consistent in the kinds of "conservatives" he supports!
Jeremiah 5: No One is Upright
(WHOLE CHAPTER HERE: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=30&chapter=5&version=31 )
30 “A horrible and shocking thing
has happened in the land:
31 The prophets prophesy lies,
the priests rule by their own authority,
and my people love it this way.
But what will you do in the end?
Pastor Warren, I guess must have been out of town the day they taught 1 Timothy at divinity school.
This is what happens when a church is more focused on growth than the gospel..
I can’t think of an evangelical “leader” who would be shocked by Rick Warren taking the wide path.
Pretty much sums it up.
growth, success of Warren > Gospel
Hewitt also fully supported Rudy Giuliani. He is Republican hack more than a Christian.
I’m hoping this is about confusion and mischievous “reporting”. Proposition 8 was pretty clear, and Warren came out in favor of it, which was the right thing to do. What, he takes a little flak from “opponents” and then goes all wobbly? You can’t be all things to all people, just to be “popular”. Warren of all people should know better.
Maybe the O invited Warren to stay at the White House. So Rick sold his soul to the Imam.
It's so OBVIOUS.
He's also the main culprit behind the entertainment driven “church”. Warren is a self serving wolf in sheep's clothing. He's another fraud. It's no wonder he spoke at the Obomination’s inauguration.
POWER over principle.
Warren sold his soul to the devil a long time ago.
People just didn’t want to see it.
They liked his rewritten unbiblical teachings.
WORKS DRIVEN “faith”.
He'd be much better off just saying he was wrong to support Prop 8, if the love of the homo-nazis is what he's after.
I think that’s it. He doesn’t want to be “controversial”.
He wants everyone to like him.
Rick Warren and Joel Osteen are cut from the same cloth. People give ME funny looks when I tell them Joel ain’t the real thing.
Obamas selection of Warren to give the invocation the day he was sworn-in as president sparked considerable controversy, mainly because of Warrens statements regarding gay marriage.
In an interview with Beliefnet, Warren compared gay marriage to marriage between a brother and a sister, or marriage between an older man and a child or even polygamy.
This is not a Christian issue. Historically, a marriage is a man and a woman, Warren said, explaining that he mainly opposed Californias Proposition 8 because it would have classified sermons by preachers against gay marriage as hate speech.
But, said Warren in the interview, its a no brainer that divorce is a bigger threat to marriage than gay couples being allowed to wed. And, Warren added, that he had no problem with civil unions that give legal rights to gay couples such as health insurance and hospital visitation rights, a position out of line with most conservative evangelicals.
I have many gay friends Ive eaten din in gay homes, Warren said. No church has probably done more for people with AIDSs than Saddleback Church.
This is the couple who go to Kenya as missionaries. They tried to alert everyone who obama was and his intent last year. Here they speak of A Purpose Driven Life. I don't know anything about the Loren Davis religion.
Rick Warren is an alumnus of Fuller Theological school.
What has happened is simple and tragic: Rock Warren has been corrupted. I don’t believe in bolting churches or denominations just because, say, you don’t like the choir. However, since Rick Warren â or the Bible as translated by Rick Warren â is the final authority at his church, it is clear that orthodox Christians at Saddleback should leave Saddleback for another one.
Mitt Romney isn’t going to backpedal on gay marriage. I know, I know: Romney didn’t used to think right on this issue. However, I am satisfied that he now knows which side his political bread is buttered on.
YEP... It’s sad, and predictable, and shocking, and horrifying, and sad again all at the same time...
I really wanted to copy and paste the whole chapter in the thread. I go through looking at it and trying to pull out a few good parts that I can make example out of in what is happening, and then I’ve gone for half the chapter and haven’t found the end of the part I feel people need to hear! It’s very frustrating...
It’s baffling how ANYONE who claims to know the Bible and God could get things so wrong... EVERY. TIME. I SEE IT. EVERY. TIME. it is shocking even though it shouldn’t be.
OK, I know what I’m trying to say I think — with the frustration... It’s in the Chapter! LOL (DUH)
JEREMIAH 5:21 -
21 Hear this, you foolish and senseless people,
who have eyes but do not see,
who have ears but do not hear:
There is no confusion here. I saw him with my own eyes
on Larry King when he went totally squishy about gay
marriage, really disgraceful.
He is through as a big conservative, evangelical leader.
Who wants a candidate that only does the right thing to gain political power. We can certainly find a candidate that is a true believer in conservatism.
The guy doesn't endorse Prop 8, and people are questioning whether he's gay? I supported it (from afar), but there are plenty of legitimate reasons a Christian could oppose Prop 8. I don't think it's even as clear an issue as abortion.
Hmmmm...,. Obama “got to him”...
Peter denied Jesus three times before the dawn.
Rick Warren is up to two...
The real problem here, and one endemic to Christianity at large is this: Rejection of the Torah. The Master Himself said, “Think not that I have come to abolish the Torah and the Prophets. I have not come to abolish but to fulfill; for until Heaven and earth pass away not one jot or tittle shall pass from the Torah ‘till all be fulfilled. Matt.5:17
The verses that follow make it plain that Yeshua observed the entire Torah and taught others to do so. He plainly stated that Torah will never be abrogated, including it’s prohibition of homosexual activity. Never. It is impossible to be his Talmid (disciple) and acquiesce to “Gay” propaganda. Warren failed the test.
Hugh Hewitt is only marginally more credible than Michael Medved.
Hewitt threw a hissy fit the day that Tom Tancredo announced candidacy. I didn’t like Hewitt before, but that sealed it.
Does anyone remember that day on his show? He screamed, “no one cares about illegal immigration!”
Now, THAT is blasphemy!!!
I’m not a Rick Warren fan, and I am a Bible-thumping believer, but I don’t want the government getting involved in marriage at all.
You wrote “bottom.”
I’ve never liked this guy - he’s a little too caught up in his own fame.
Purpose Driven Life - nice words, but only that if the author follows them himself.
If you want to debate Osteen, just post whatever you want as an "OPEN" Thread.
There's nothing stopping you.
Rick Warren is just another Jim Bakker/Jimmy Swaggert-style whore.
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