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St. Michael's (self-proclaimed) Catholic Church - Tucson AZ (Deceit Alert!)
http://www.stmichaelsecc.org/index.html ^

Posted on 04/20/2009 9:48:47 AM PDT by NYer

We are a community of communities, which are ecumenical and catholic in that we celebrate a characteristically Catholic faith tradition that is not sectarian.

A community of communities


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We support such necessary and just changes as...



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Religion & Culture; Worship
KEYWORDS: apostates; catholic; heretics; notcatholic

1 posted on 04/20/2009 9:48:47 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 04/20/2009 9:50:33 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer
If you have followed Jesus through the waters of baptism, it matters not which denomination...

Okay, I hear that, but then why do they then refer to themselves as Catholic, if denomination doesn't matter?
3 posted on 04/20/2009 10:01:13 AM PDT by fleagle ( An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. -Winston Churchill)
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To: NYer

I am a Catholic and these people are NOT Catholic.


4 posted on 04/20/2009 10:03:55 AM PDT by anoldafvet (Proud Member of the Radical Rightwing Extremist Movement)
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To: NYer

Man, I thought we were through with this junk. That person, jolly as she may be, is NO PRIEST. She’s playing dress-up, and living in a deluded world. Who’s the bishop of that diocese, and why isn’t he ON this??


5 posted on 04/20/2009 10:04:12 AM PDT by redhead (Ronald Reagan: “The closest thing to eternal life that we have here on Earth is a federal program.)
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To: NYer

No barf alert?


6 posted on 04/20/2009 10:05:17 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

I don’t know why these heretics don’t stop using the word CATHOLIC in their name. I’m a Catholic. They are the most remote persons from being a Catholic. I feel so sorry for their attitude towards a fine religion. Why don’t they just call themselves something else that doesn’t include our name?

They should be ashamed of themselves for the outrageous and heretical things they believe in. It’s like the Mormons calling themselves Christian just because they use the Old and New Testaments.

How pathetic. They know very well that the following items are NOT APPROVED BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

* giving priests the freedom to marry and raise families of their own
* giving women the opportunity to serve God’s people as ordained ministers
* inviting the divorced and remarried back to the sacraments and Church life without subjecting them to annulment procedures
* entrusting
married couples with the responsibility of following their own
conscience in regard to the use of artificial contraception
* including all the baptized, whether Catholic or Protestant, in the celebration of the sacraments
* recognizing the dignity of all human beings regardless of their race, national origin, gender, or sexual orientation

And I’m not surprised that they left out the abortion topic, because I’m sure they’re in favor of all four “trimester” abortions (Obama thinks babies should be deliberately killed if the baby’s “mother” doesn’t want it), which is the “fourth” trimester.

Start their own church with their own moniker. Leave us alone. May God have mercy on them and the rest of their heretics. Disgusting.


7 posted on 04/20/2009 10:08:01 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: laweeks
In our archdiocese, a group of scamsters started a "Catholic Church" that was preying on non-English-speaking Hispanics.

They sold indulgences and what-not at a price that would have made Tetzel blow a gasket.

The Archdiocese sued them to make them stop using the word "Catholic" in their name. And won. I'm not sure if they used copyright law or just deceptive trade practices, I never saw the pleadings, just read about it in the paper.

8 posted on 04/20/2009 10:16:47 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: NYer
we have one of these in the Pittsburgh area. The schismatic ex-priest who runs it hatched the idea while on sabbatical at Notre Dame University (big surprise there!)
9 posted on 04/20/2009 10:21:40 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NYer

This is not an Diocesian parish. The ECC is a separate denomination which is not under the auspices or authority of any Catholic Bishop or the Pope. Their goings on are of no more concern to the Church than that of other self styled Catholic churches such as the Old Catholic Church.


10 posted on 04/20/2009 10:37:21 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: redhead
Who’s the bishop of that diocese, and why isn’t he ON this??

This DIY church isn't in obedience to the bishop.

He could try to sue them in civil court to force them to stop using the name "Catholic," though.

11 posted on 04/20/2009 10:39:35 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: NYer

Hmm. Has the local Bishop weighed in on this church?


12 posted on 04/20/2009 10:45:41 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: NYer

San Damiano - ECC
http://www.sandamianochurch.com/

Pathfinder Community of the Risen Christ -
We are a Non-Roman Catholic Community affiliated with the Ecumenical Catholic Communion (ECC) headquartered in Orange, California.
http://www.pathfindercommunity.com/

St Andrew & St Paul Ecumenical Catholic Communion (ECC)
An alternative way to celebrate your Catholic Faith
http://www.standrewandstpaul.org/

Holy Trinity, Long Beach
A member of the Ecumenical Catholic Communion (ECC)
http://www.holytrinitylongbeach.com/

Church of the Holy Family - A Member of the Ecumenical Catholic Communion ECC)
“A new way
to celebrate an ancient faith”
Holy Family logo
Who are we?

The Church of the Holy Family is an ecumenical Catholic faith community comprised of Christians from many faith traditions who seek to make the richness of Catholic spirituality and tradition available and accessible to all. Our community, a member of the growing Ecumenical Catholic Communion, is made up of former Episcopalians, Lutherans, and Protestants as well as, many people who, for some reason, have felt excluded from the Roman Catholic Church.
etc...

Planning a wedding and you didn’t think you could have a Catholic ceremony?

We are here to serve the needs of all couples, especially those who wish to have a sacramental Catholic marriage, but are unable to be married in another church. Our ordained clergy perform nuptial ceremonies or Masses at almost any location, perhaps in the garden or park, home, hotel, church or wedding chapel. They provide services that help create unique ceremonies for each couple!
http://www.churchofholyfamily.org/

“Come to supper real soon.”
-God
Are you looking for...

* a home for your Catholic heart?
* the rich liturgical celebration of the Mass?
* an inclusive community that welcomes everyone: divorced, remarried, gay and lesbian, all races?
* priests and deacons who are women and men, married and celibate?
* a sacramental life?
* a Communion Table that is open to all baptized Christians?
* a community that celebrates diversity?
* an opportunity to follow your conscience without guilt?
* a community acting for justice, in our community, our nation, our church, our world?

Church of the Beloved is an independent, inclusive Catholic faith community in which you can be yourself, question, struggle with difficult choices, rejoice, and be supported in finding the Spirit’s leading in your life. Our community is more concerned with the welcoming generous love of Jesus than the letter of the law.

All are welcome! We are a small and growing community with great love. Expect a hug! Come as you are! Explore!
http://www.churchofthebeloved-ecc.org/

Here’s just a few...


13 posted on 04/20/2009 10:45:57 AM PDT by chase19
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To: chase19

History.....

History of Spirtus Dei Ecumenical Catholic Community (ECC)

Our history begins with individuals searching for another way to be Catholic; individuals who were growing more dissatisfied with the direction that the Roman Catholic Church is taking toward a “smaller more orthodox” church. The struggle of the Roman Catholic community of Corpus Christi in Rochester NY caught people’s attention, especially when that community chose to transform itself into Spiritus Christi, and ordained a woman as priest. At about the same time people discovered Bishop Peter Hickman and St. Matthew’s Ecumenical Catholic Church in Orange, CA.

A few of these individuals invited Mary Ramerman and James Callen of Spiritus Christi, and Bishop Peter and Mirella Hickman of St Matthew’s, and members of their faith communities, to visit the Puget Sound area as part of a retreat at the Seabeck Christian Retreat Center on the Hood Canal. At the retreat, these guests told their stories of finding themselves called to a new, more inclusive way to be Catholic.

On Labor Day weekend, September 2003, about 30 residents of this area attended that retreat to hear the stories of Spiritus Christi Catholic Community, and St. Matthew’s Ecumenical Catholic Church. About ten people found themselves so moved by that experience that we continued to meet on a regular basis to discern what our experience meant, and what further actions we were being called to undertake.

When we met, we prayed a lay-led eucharistic prayer and shared reflective conversations about what concerns we had with the current Roman Catholic institution. We shared what we wanted to see in a Catholic community. We came up with a values list that described what we desired, and we followed some Quaker models of discernment that led us to a sense sometime in the fall of 2004 to “be church.”

We continued to wonder what “being church” meant. While we wondered we met monthly for reflection and Eucharistic prayer. Some married Roman Catholic priests from the CORPUS community supported our efforts and at Pentecost 2005, we gathered with various Catholics from small alternative Catholic communities sprinkled throughout the Puget Sound area to celebrate the Holy Spirit’s life in us and work among us.

Planners of that event, held at the Wayside Church of Christ in Federal Way, were challenged to take the Pentecost energy we had experienced and bring it close to home. That step brought into being the ECC Explorers, drawing participants primarily from Seattle and the Eastside area.

Jim Callen and Mary Rammerman returned and spent time with us in 2004, and Bishop Peter Hickman and his spouse, Mirella, returned and spent time in September 2005, discerning with us our next steps. This discernment included visits by the bishop to the South Sound, Eastside, and Olympic Peninsula. At a subsequent meeting, twelve of approximately 20 people who registered as “participants” in our local group agreed to step forth and serve as a leadership body. A few months later, one of those twelve stepped aside from leadership, leaving 11 leaders. That departing person left us as a legacy the name that we now choose for our community.

On January 21, 2006, at a gathering of prayer and conversation among nine of those eleven leaders, a decision was reached to move from the status of being explorers to becoming a formal faith community incorporated in the State of Washington. In early February 2006 we signed a letter of intent to affiliate with the Ecumenical Catholic Communion, incorporated in Washington State, and chose the name Spiritus Dei Ecumenical Catholic Community (Spirit of God).

Our gatherings since that time are deepening our understanding of what it means to ‘be church’ as the Body of Christ in this generation. We are in currently in process of selecting leaders to represent us in the national communion’s House of Laity and House of Pastors.

You can find more about our current meeting reality by clicking on our Gatherings link.

We welcome you to come meet us and see this other way to be Catholic!

On Pentecost of 2007 a group, under the umbrella of Spiritus Dei ECC, began to meet in the South Sound region of Washington State. On Pentecost of 2008 this new group discerned that they could become a “new church,” and chose the name Emmaus ECC. See their web site at www.Emmaus-ecc.org.

There is another way to be Catholic!
http://www.spiritusdei-ecc.org/history.html


14 posted on 04/20/2009 10:46:38 AM PDT by chase19
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To: chase19

“The Church of the Holy Family is an ecumenical Catholic faith community comprised of Christians from many faith traditions who seek to make the richness of Catholic spirituality and tradition available and accessible to all. Our community, a member of the growing Ecumenical Catholic Communion, is made up of former Episcopalians, Lutherans, and Protestants as well as, many people who, for some reason, have felt excluded from the Roman Catholic Church.”

They’re a whole conglomerate of religions. We need to take back our name - Catholic.


15 posted on 04/20/2009 10:48:56 AM PDT by chase19
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To: SuziQ
Hmm. Has the local Bishop weighed in on this church?

Note ... this is not a Catholic Church in communion with Rome! The word "catholic" means universal and can be used by any church. Hence, the confusion for so many.

16 posted on 04/20/2009 11:28:56 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: fleagle; anoldafvet
why do they then refer to themselves as Catholic, if denomination doesn't matter?

The word "catholic" means universal; it is not copyrighted. Hence, the 'deceit alert' on this post. My cat is more catholic; she eats fish on fridays.

17 posted on 04/20/2009 11:35:46 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: redhead
Who’s the bishop of that diocese, and why isn’t he ON this??

They are not in communion with Rome.

18 posted on 04/20/2009 11:36:42 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
The schismatic ex-priest who runs it hatched the idea while on sabbatical at Notre Dame University (big surprise there!)

Such an endorsement for NDU ;-) (/sarc)

19 posted on 04/20/2009 11:38:15 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: chase19
On Pentecost of 2008 this new group discerned that they could become a “new church,” and chose the name Emmaus ECC.

Brilliant! Since no one today can locate the village of Emmaus, their name selection seems all the more fitting. They're as lost as the original village.

20 posted on 04/20/2009 11:41:54 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer
Little c 'catholic' is universal. Big C "Catholic" means either Roman and some Eastern Rite Catholic churches, and is universally assumed to mean 'in communion with Rome'.

If this church is using big c "Catholic" in their title, they're engaging in false advertising.

21 posted on 04/20/2009 11:53:10 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

“If this church is using big c “Catholic” in their title, they’re engaging in false advertising.”

Agree.


22 posted on 04/20/2009 12:25:53 PM PDT by chase19
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To: NYer

:)


23 posted on 04/20/2009 12:26:28 PM PDT by chase19
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To: NYer

“Brilliant! Since no one today can locate the village of Emmaus, their name selection seems all the more fitting. They’re as lost as the original village.”

I meant the smile for this...:)


24 posted on 04/20/2009 12:27:57 PM PDT by chase19
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To: redhead

From what I can gather they don’t use Catholic Churches - they’re given the use of Protestant Churches for their “services” - though I’m pretty sure it goes on in a few Catholic dioceses.


25 posted on 04/20/2009 12:31:54 PM PDT by chase19
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To: fleagle
Okay, I hear that, but then why do they then refer to themselves as Catholic, if denomination doesn't matter?

Lol, rhetorical, but just in case one of their flock is reading... ;-) Aaah, there's the rub, they really do want to be thought of as Catholic, as a 'new' kind of Catholic, according to their new vision of what they want it to be. Doesn't make it so, but they'd like to lead people to believe it does, sadly.

26 posted on 04/23/2009 12:07:39 PM PDT by fortunecookie (Please pray for Anna, age 7, who waits for a new kidney.)
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