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Cross, Sign Of
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Posted on 04/25/2009 7:06:33 AM PDT by GonzoII

TALKS ON THE SACRAMENTALS
Father Arthur Tonne
Copyright 1950 Didde Printing Company Emporia, Kansas
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Cross, Sign Of

"God forbid that I should glory save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ." Galatians, 6:14

In April of 1945 American artillery in the town of Siegburg, Germany, was shelling a nearby village, in which there were about 20 German soldiers. The natives were in constant danger of being hit by bullets from either side. Toward evening of April 12 the people persuaded the German soldiers to cease fire.

Next morning the village priest carried a white flag to the American outpost to inform the commander that the German soldiers had gone and the civilian population had no desire to resist further. Instructions were given to fly white flags from all the houses.

The question uppermost in the minds of the towns-people was: How will the Americans treat us? They had heard terrible tales of cruelty on the part of the Russians. How would these conquerors act?

The Americans began a thorough search for weapons and German soldiers. Two soldiers armed with pistols came to a certain three-room home. They stopped short in the living room before a hand-carved family altar. Into the bedroom they went, to find there a beautiful crucifix.

The soldiers noticed the cross. They stopped, took off their steel helmets, changed their automatics from right hand to left, and respectfully made the sign of the cross. As a member of the family related, the members of that household feared no longer.

Yes, the sign of the cross is the salute of the true follower of Christ whether he is conqueror or conquered, whether he is German, Chinese, American or Australian. It is the countersign of the Christian. In particular, it is the special salute of the Catholic.

The sign of the cross is one of the most important and one of the most frequently used of the sacramentals. It is the sacred sign first taught to the feeble fingers of the child at its mother's knee; it is the sacred sign traced by the faltering fingers of the dying Catholic. From birth to death it is the holy sign, the holy ceremony that continually reminds the Catholic of the source from which all spiritual blessings come—the cross.

The two most common forms of this sacramental are the large sign of the cross made by touching the forehead, the breast, and the left and right shoulders. The cross thus covers the body—at least the most important members—the head and heart. The smaller sign of the cross is traced upon the forehead, lips, and breast.

1 Why do we make the sign of the cross?

a. To remind us of the Blessed Trinity—Father, Son and Holy Ghost. We repeat their names.

b. To remind us that the Son of God died on a cross for all men. Before Calvary it was a sign of disgrace. Christ made it a thing of glory and power.

c. To stir up our faith. It recalls that God is one and God is three; it recalls that the Second Person of the Trinity died for all men; it professes our faith; it identifies the Catholic. That is why the family of our story felt so secure, so much safer, as soon as they saw those American soldiers make the sacred sign.

d. To strengthen our hope. By making this sacred sign we express the hope that through the cross all blessings will come to us.

e. To kindle and feed our charity. Making this sign recalls the limitless love of Him who died upon the cross. We determine to return love for love.

2. The uses of this sacred sign in the Catholic Church are practically without limit:

a. According to many our Lord and the Apostles used it. Many affirm that our Lord blessed the Apostles with the sign of the cross on the day of His Ascension. Certainly the early Christians used it constantly.

b. It is used in all the public worship of our Church:

i. The sign of the cross in some form or other is made about 54 times during Holy Mass.

ii. It is used frequently in the Divine Office or daily prayer of the priest.

iii. It is used in all blessings bestowed by bishop and priest.

iv. It is used in all the sacraments: 14 times in Baptism; 17 times in Extreme Unction. Yes, even in the semi-darkness of the confessional the priest makes the sign of the cross over you.

v. It is used in everything blessed for the service of God—altars, linens, holy water, etc.

c. It is used frequently in personal devotions:

i. In the morning and evening to seek God's help.

ii. Before and after prayer, against distractions.

iii. Before and after meals, asking God's blessing.

iv. In dangers of soul, like temptation and occasions of sin.

v. In dangers of body like storms, sickness, travel.

vi. Before our chief actions and undertakings, to make them pleasing to God and to obtain God's help in performing them properly.

Let me quote the instructive words of St. Gaudentius:

"Let the sign of the cross be continually made on the heart, on the mouth, on the forehead, at table, at the bath, in bed, coming in and going out, in joy and sadness, sitting, standing, speaking, walking—in short, in all our actions. Let us make it on our breasts and all our members, that we may be entirely covered with this invincible armor of Christians."

An indulgence of 100 days is granted for making the sign of the cross and saying the words. An indulgence of 300 days for making the sign of the cross, with holy water.

A love and devotion toward this sacred sign is the mark of a true follower of Christ. Just as it identified those two American soldiers as genuine Catholics, so the sign of the cross will identify you. Use it frequently, use it thoughtfully, use it lovingly. It will bring you countless blessings. Amen.

Sacred Music Volume 117, Number 4, Winter 1990


SIGNS AND SYMBOLS: A REFLECTION

(This is reprinted from "Faith," a bi-monthly published in London, England. It was originally given as an address to a youth group at John Fisher School, Purley, Surrey, England.)

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The Sign Of The Cross

A logical place to start, since it is a very ancient Christian habit, is to begin and end prayers with the sign of the cross. Yet the only recognizable biblical reference is in Matthew 28:19 when Our Lord tells His apostles, "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

The practice of making the sign of the cross dates back to at least the second century. It was said to recall the blood of the lambs marked on Jewish doorposts in Egypt on the night of the Passover (Ex. 12:7) and to foreshadow the seal set on the foreheads of the saints in heaven. One of the earliest references to the sign of the cross is found at the end of the second century in these words of Tertullian: "at every forward step and movement, at every going in and out, when we put on our clothes and shoes...in all the ordinary actions of everyday life, we trace the sign" (of the cross). Whether such diligent self-crossing was generally observed is impossible to tell, but it does illustrate the importance that the early Church attached to the cross. Another important thread is drawn out by Saint Thomas Aquinas who said: "by making use of bodily signs of humility, our desire to submit ourselves to God is aroused."

So, how does the above apply to us in the present day and age? When we make the sign of the cross, it is a reminder of our baptism. It also brings to mind the general vocation that we as Catholics are called to, as illustrated in the rite for adult baptism when the priest signs the recipient with the cross saying:

"Receive the cross of Christ on your forehead. Christ Himself will guard you by this sign of love. Learn to know and follow that cross...Receive the cross on your breast, that by your faith Christ may find a dwelling place in your heart. Receive the sign of the cross on your shoulders so that you take on the sweet yoke of Christ. I sign you in your whole being 'in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit' that you may have life in eternity."

Let us not underestimate this "sign of love," for when we reverently make the sign of the cross, it is not only a confession of faith. It is also a reminder of the price that Christ paid for our healing and redemption so that we can call God "Abba! Father!" and eventually come into His presence in the glory of the kingdom of heaven.


A HANDBOOK OF CATHOLIC SACRAMENTALS

Ann Ball

Published by Our Sunday Visitor Press

The making of the sign of the cross, professing faith both in the redemption of Christ and in the Trinity, was practiced from the earliest centuries. St. Augustine (d. 430) mentioned and described it many times in his sermons and letters. In those days, Christians made the sign of the cross (Redemption) with three fingers (Trinity) on their foreheads. The words "In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost" were added later. In the third century, Tertullian had already reported this touching and beautiful early Christian practice: "In all our undertakings—when we enter a place or leave it; before we dress; before we bathe; when we take our meals; when we light the lamps in the evening; before we retire at night; when we sit down to read; before each new task—we trace the sign of the cross on our foreheads" (Weiser, p. 256).


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18  And he said to them: I saw Satan like lightning falling from heaven.
1 posted on 04/25/2009 7:06:33 AM PDT by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII

Thanks


2 posted on 04/25/2009 7:15:08 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: GonzoII
Cross, Sign Of

The Sign of the Cross

In the Name of the Father . . .[The Sign of the Cross]

The Sign of the Cross

The sign of the cross capable of killing microbes

3 posted on 04/25/2009 8:15:36 AM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: GonzoII
A love and devotion toward this sacred sign is the mark of a true follower of Christ.

The ignorance here is astounding...There is no sacred sign of a true follower (disciple) of Jesus Christ...

Love and devotion to a 'sacred sign' is idolotry...

The sign of the cross may stand for something for a Catholic or it may be a way to attract attention to show yourself off as being religious...

Like the story says, you teach it to babies who don't have a clue what it means...

Out of one side of the mouth you say it is the sign of a true follower of Christ, and out of the other side of the mouth you then claim you teach it to babies who don't know Jesus Christ...

4 posted on 04/25/2009 9:41:07 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool

The hatred here is astounding. Jesus said love one another.


5 posted on 04/25/2009 11:03:50 AM PDT by MantillaMilitant
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To: Iscool

“you then claim you teach it to babies who don’t know Jesus Christ...”

Christ knows them. He knows them from before their conception. He creates them.


6 posted on 04/25/2009 2:24:38 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Those embryos are little humans in progress. Using them for profit is slavery.)
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To: MantillaMilitant
Why confuse or equate what was criticism with hatred? Was it the one word, "ignorant" was that the critic used?

When we get right down to it, we are all ignorant, except for those areas where we might actually know something...

Personally, I'm not upset with folks giving the sign.

Though if it is employed as a talisman or due to superstitious belief, then it is arguable that using "it" in that manner, even the idea of the cross itself, could be in vain.

One the other hand, as the article suggests, if used as reminder of the Cross and the the Oneness of the Trinity, then it might serve to help those present at such "sign language" events to focus upon the Lord.

I cannot help but to think that can be beneficial. "As the serpent was raised up in the wilderness, so must the son of man be", as it is written that Christ said, although I do here paraphrase the quote somewhat.

When we look intently to Him, the tide of the battle turns His Way, placing us under His banner.

Where else would we wish to be? I've tried wandering around in the wilderness myself. It's been a long while since the children of Israel passed through killing off all the badgers they could find (as they were instructed to do by Moses).

The badger population is on the rebound, now. Ferocious little critters...one is in for a world of hurt when stumbling around in the dark, and stepping in one of their "holes".

Here in these last few paragraphs I've been speaking another kind of sign language. Do you understand the lingo?

7 posted on 04/25/2009 2:26:58 PM PDT by BlueDragon (do you remember what was instructed to be done with the badger hides?)
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To: MantillaMilitant
The hatred here is astounding. Jesus said love one another.

You're trying to create a crutch...It's like calling someone who is against illegal immigration a racist...

I displayed no hate...I'm just willing to call a spade a spade, and reveal a hoax or a con-job when I see one...It is so blatant that for someone to repeat the con-job, they must be in on it as well...

8 posted on 04/25/2009 8:30:23 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: OpusatFR
Christ knows them. He knows them from before their conception. He creates them.

And Jesus created the birds, and rust...So what has that got to do with the conversation or topic??? Does that prove that you 'true Christians' show the proof of being 'true Christians' by giving the sign of the cross???

Like I said, a hoax...

9 posted on 04/25/2009 8:33:25 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
The sign of the cross may stand for something for a Catholic or it may be a way to attract attention to show yourself off as being religious...

With regards to the second part, how would one know? Wouldn't making that call be unjust, to say the least?

Out of one side of the mouth you say it is the sign of a true follower of Christ, and out of the other side of the mouth you then claim you teach it to babies who don't know Jesus Christ...

A child must be lead in all things...

10 posted on 04/25/2009 9:05:48 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Iscool
Does that prove that you 'true Christians' show the proof of being 'true Christians' by giving the sign of the cross???

You act as if it were the ONLY proof.

11 posted on 04/25/2009 9:06:51 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Iscool

Bravo!

It takes a real Protestant to protest the sign of the cross.


12 posted on 04/25/2009 9:31:35 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Kolokotronis; kosta50

Seeking an Eastern perspective ping! ;-)


13 posted on 04/25/2009 9:38:12 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480
You act as if it were the ONLY proof.

No, I act as if it's no proof at all...

14 posted on 04/25/2009 9:44:36 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: GonzoII

Thanks GonzoII

What a sweet gift the sacramentals are!

My favorite would be the signing of the cross with holy water and offering it to the Holy Souls. Be still my heart! Power-packed with a soft mist of graces.

The more the soul loves, the more it desires to love, and the greater its suffering, the greater its healing.
St. Columban


15 posted on 04/25/2009 10:23:38 PM PDT by HeavensGate27
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To: HeavensGate27
"Thanks GonzoII"

You're welcome; and BUMP for the holy water!

16 posted on 04/25/2009 10:36:57 PM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: Iscool

Damnant quod non intellegunt


17 posted on 04/25/2009 10:55:29 PM PDT by MantillaMilitant
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To: GonzoII

Thank you for the thread. Next time — make it a Catholic caucus so we can appreciate it in peace.


18 posted on 04/25/2009 10:57:33 PM PDT by MantillaMilitant
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To: Iscool

“And Jesus created the birds, and rust...”

Christ created everything, but He only created man with an immortal soul.


19 posted on 04/26/2009 3:55:34 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Those embryos are little humans in progress. Using them for profit is slavery.)
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To: MantillaMilitant

You’ll find that the anti-Catholic hatred in some is so powerful, they find themselves compelled to lie in wait for Catholic threads where they can spew their venom.


20 posted on 04/26/2009 4:41:46 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Iscool
The ignorance here is astounding...

A perfect preface for your post.

21 posted on 04/26/2009 4:42:17 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Iscool
Like the story says, you teach it to babies . . .

The story doesn't say that.

22 posted on 04/26/2009 4:44:33 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Pyro7480
With regards to the second part, how would one know?

Mind-reading (unsuccessful).

23 posted on 04/26/2009 4:46:13 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: GonzoII

Thanks, GonzoII.


24 posted on 04/26/2009 4:50:13 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: GonzoII

I’ve never figured out why a sign or gesture that accompanies the words “In the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” would invoke such vitriol. And, yes, it is taught at the dinner table from the time we are about two, but so are a lot of things.


25 posted on 04/26/2009 5:15:26 AM PDT by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue. http://www.thekingsmen.us/)
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To: Petronski
You’ll find that the anti-Catholic hatred in some is so powerful, they find themselves compelled to lie in wait for Catholic threads where they can spew their venom.

No hatred, no venom Petronski...Just pointing out some of the false information your religion puts out to persuade people into believing you are the one true church...

26 posted on 04/26/2009 5:23:56 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool

Amazing and revealing that you would identify yourself with that profile.


27 posted on 04/26/2009 7:27:56 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Iscool
...believing you are the one true church...

No one believes I am the one true church.

28 posted on 04/26/2009 7:41:35 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Desdemona
I’ve never figured out why a sign or gesture that accompanies the words “In the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” would invoke such vitriol.

It's because the Sign of the Cross does not fit in their own personal interpretation of Scripture and, you must remember, THEY ARE RIGHT! donchaknow...

Disagreement with such a person is a scam and if you disagree with them, you are in on it [cue sinister music].

29 posted on 04/26/2009 7:44:31 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Desdemona
I’ve never figured out why a sign or gesture that accompanies the words “In the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” would invoke such vitriol.

Satan hates the cross in all its forms. The Church has known this for a long, long time:

Let us, therefore, not be ashamed of the Cross of Christ; but though another hide it, do thou openly seal it upon thy forehead, that the devils may behold the royal sign and flee trembling far away. Make then this sign at eating and drinking, at sitting, at lying down, at rising up, at speaking, at walking: in a word, at every act.
St. Cyril, Bishop of Jerusalem (d. A.D. 386)

30 posted on 04/26/2009 7:55:07 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: Iscool
The ignorance here is astounding...There is no sacred sign of a true follower (disciple) of Jesus Christ...

Rev. 7:

After these things, I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that they should not blow upon the earth nor upon the sea nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the sign of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying: Hurt not the earth nor the sea nor the trees, till we sign the servants of our God in their foreheads.

31 posted on 04/26/2009 8:04:28 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: Lorica
Saying: Hurt not the earth nor the sea nor the trees, till we sign the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Christians in the church age don't need a physical sign...Jesus knows us and we know Him...

Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

But the issue isn't making the sign of the Cross, is it...The issue is your religion claiming that 'true Christians' are known as those you make the sign of the Cross...And that's bunk...

32 posted on 04/26/2009 8:33:35 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool

I read this article and thought it would be enjoyed by all Christians. Was I wrong! The sign was used by early Christians and so it does not bother me. I think some need to really ask if they really love Christ or do they just hate those damn katlicks.


33 posted on 04/26/2009 8:36:54 AM PDT by Radl (sai)
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To: MantillaMilitant

intelligunt


34 posted on 04/26/2009 8:45:26 AM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: Iscool

Crux sacra sit mihi lux, non draco sit mihi dux.


35 posted on 04/26/2009 9:07:04 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Iscool
Christians in the church age don't need a physical sign...

So you say.

The Sign of the Cross is a physical sign to all the world as well as to ourselves and God.

The issue is your religion claiming that 'true Christians' are known as those you make the sign of the Cross...And that's bunk...

Again, such is your opinion, for what it is worth.

36 posted on 04/26/2009 9:18:51 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Radl
I read this article and thought it would be enjoyed by all Christians. Was I wrong!

Were you?

37 posted on 04/26/2009 9:19:23 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Pyro7480

How deliciously appropriate!


38 posted on 04/26/2009 9:21:08 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Petronski

:-)


39 posted on 04/26/2009 9:26:51 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480; MarkBsnr; Kolokotronis
The Orthodox tend to cross a lot more than Catholics. At the mention of the Trinity, the Father, the Son or the Spirit individually, when expressing hope and love for God, when expressing gratitude and humility, when petitioning, beginning and end of prayer, etc. It is also a mental cleansing that focuses you on Christ. In all instances, it is a profound sign of respect for the Triune God. How can that be wrong?!?

As Tertullian wrote, they do this whenever they think of Christ or whenever thanks are made to him. Like fasting, it is a prayerful act, something believers do to honor or, or give gratitude to God.

Praying aloud, singing to God, or reading the Scriptures is no different. Protestants, who lift their hands in the air and sway them back and forth, are doing the same thing as long as it is not something "Catholic."

Public prayer is just as "Pharisaical" as making public signs of the cross. There is no hypocrisy in crossing oneself and it is the most appropriate gesture one can do, at a moment, when one needs to "put on Christ" It is no different than saying "Halleuijah" or "Praise the Lord!"

Arguments by Protestants that it is idolatry are as ridiculous as the rest of the Protestant protests. Their treatment of the Bible is no less "idolatrous."

The Gospels teach humility and, consistent with that, that the expression of faith should not be boisterous and hypocritical. Jesus taught that we should pray in private, dark rooms, not public places. That's why all Orthodox homes have a prayer corner in a remote part fo the house.

Yet the Protesters want public prayers, at football games and schools. Our Congress has a chaplain who leads public prayer. In the military, chaplains lead public prayers at various non-religious ceremonies. Many public events are preceded by a public prayer.

All these things are exactly the opposite of what Christ taught. Public prayer is proper only in church, the true home to every Christian.

If God can hear us in silence and knows what we are thinking, no words need be spoken, no gestures made, and that would include the Cross. But Mark's Great Commission (Ch. 16) mentions signs of true believers, so argments that signs are "idoaltrous" are ubliblical. The Bible if full of signs.

But, most importantly, man is an expressive and artstic being, endowed with talents, so people sing, wave, lift their hands, bow, kneel, prostrate and make signg of the cross in their expression of worship and prayer.

Clearly, the Catholic and Apostolic Church found it much harder to make the sign of a fish that so many Portesters sport on their cars, and found the sign of the cross a more appropriate and relevant symbol of the Christian faith.

It is what the early Church did and it is the unbroken tradition of the one true Church. Protestants in their own misery will invent any other kind of gestures so long as it is not what the Catholic Church does. Truly pathetic but consistent.

40 posted on 04/26/2009 9:34:49 AM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: kosta50
All these things are exactly the opposite of what Christ taught. Public prayer is proper only in church, the true home to every Christian.

Yet even the Orthodox have processions outdoors too.

41 posted on 04/26/2009 9:37:16 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480
Yet even the Orthodox have processions outdoors too

They are not prayers.

42 posted on 04/26/2009 9:40:08 AM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: kosta50

They don’t pray during processions?


43 posted on 04/26/2009 9:41:17 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: kosta50

In other words, you need to go to church in order to pray (or at least a dark back room).
Do you need to go to a funeral home to die?


44 posted on 04/26/2009 9:54:12 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: Iscool

That verse doesn’t make your argument, does it?


45 posted on 04/26/2009 11:09:23 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: Petronski

I forgot that word Real as in real Christians.


46 posted on 04/26/2009 11:43:08 AM PDT by Radl (sai)
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To: Pyro7480
They don’t pray during processions?

No, they sing and chant.

47 posted on 04/26/2009 2:09:07 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: BnBlFlag
In other words, you need to go to church in order to pray (or at least a dark back room)

Christ says no public prayer. Take it up with the higher authority.

Do you need to go to a funeral home to die?

Why don't you think before you hit the send button.

48 posted on 04/26/2009 2:12:06 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: kosta50

Well, one would guess that the singing and chanting consist of prayer written by saints or taken from Scripture. (Sorry if I’m being persistent.) ;-)


49 posted on 04/26/2009 2:13:40 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: OpusatFR

What Bible you reading? Neither of those are in there.


50 posted on 04/26/2009 2:16:28 PM PDT by securityman
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