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Remembering Columbine victim Rachel Scott
Today ^ | April 20, 2009 | anon

Posted on 04/26/2009 6:40:01 PM PDT by BlackVeil

Rachel Scott, 17, was the first victim of 1999’s Columbine High School massacre. Her parents, Beth Nimmo and Darrell Scott, wrote the book “Rachel’s Tears” in memory of their daughter, who they believe was targeted by shooters Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold because of her religious values. An excerpt. We are thankful that you are reading this book, but we hope you understand that it is a book we never wanted to write. ... this unimaginable event has struck a nerve with people around the world as many have struggled to come to grips with America’s worst school shooting. A writer for the magazine Christianity Today said, “This event is becoming a defining moment for this generation of teens.” In the past year, we have been repeatedly interviewed by the national media, we have met world leaders and renowned entertainers, and we have spoken to thousands upon thou­sands of people at schools, churches, and town hall meetings. We do all this because we believe that our daughter Rachel Scott has a powerful message that survives her tragic death and needs to be heard by everyone. Sorrow and serenity In everything we do, our deep sense of calling is mingled with a profound sense of sadness. The speeches we have given and the words that appear on these pages have been mixed with innumerable tears. ... we now have a powerful conviction that God had a purpose in the way that Rachel’s life unfolded. As you will see, Rachel had a growing sense that she did not have long to live. We picked up only inklings of this while she was alive, but it all became crystal clear to us in the weeks and months after her death as we read the many journals she had written.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Religion & Culture
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A family takes a faith message from Columbine.
1 posted on 04/26/2009 6:40:03 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil

It’s easy to see the parallel between the Columbine killers and Perez Hilton.


2 posted on 04/26/2009 6:42:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: BlackVeil

Once this became widely known, the media of course tried to downplay the connection. They were not about to let this courageous young girl become a heroine. Especially if it turned out that she was martyred for her faith.


3 posted on 04/26/2009 6:42:06 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: BlackVeil
****Beth Nimmo and Darrell Scott, wrote the book “Rachel’s Tears”****

I read that book. It was a good book. These parents were good parents and Rachael was a humble servant oc Christ.

4 posted on 04/26/2009 6:43:10 PM PDT by fkabuckeyesrule
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To: BlackVeil

The tragedy is the cops, like VA Tech and Binghampton, NY, just sat outside until the shooting stopped.


5 posted on 04/26/2009 6:44:12 PM PDT by Frantzie (Bumper Sticker idea: "Remember when Bush was President & Americans had jobs?")
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To: Frantzie

We know for a fact that the teacher died while the cops waited outside. How many others could have been saved continues to be unknown.

Heartbreaking.

Much as the upstate shooting where injured people were left inside while the police ‘waited’ outside, lives may well have been saved if there was a more timely entrance to the building.


6 posted on 04/26/2009 6:49:14 PM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: Carley

The receptionist was bleeding to death undr her desk in NY on the phone telling the cops everything.

Rule number one in my book is start lobbing in tear gas ASAP and have the fire department ready too.


7 posted on 04/26/2009 6:52:32 PM PDT by Frantzie (Bumper Sticker idea: "Remember when Bush was President & Americans had jobs?")
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To: IronJack

I thought it was Cassie Bernell (may have the spelling wrong) who was killed at Columbine for her faith? Were there several? Even as recently as last week during the 10th anniversary, I heard Shep Smith saying how it was all BS that anyone was killed at Columbine for their faith.


8 posted on 04/26/2009 6:58:15 PM PDT by Sir Clancelot
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To: Sir Clancelot

Sorry, it was Cassie Bernall. Her parents also wrote a book called “She Said Yes”.


9 posted on 04/26/2009 6:59:21 PM PDT by Sir Clancelot
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To: Frantzie
At VA Tech the cops were stymied by a chain. Although the building codes require installation of main entry doors that cannot be locked or jammed with something as simple as a chain, the killer did exactly that.

University officials should have been prosecuted for the door situation.

I'm sure that bunch of cops were ready to go in but they couldn't get through the doors.

10 posted on 04/26/2009 7:00:22 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Sir Clancelot

There were two students reported as being killed because of their faith. One student said Rachel Scott was not asked about her Christianity but another said she was.

Since it seems certain that another was asked that question, I suspect Rachel Scott was also asked.


11 posted on 04/26/2009 7:00:58 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Lee N. Field
USA Today/Gannett Publications allow only a link and title to be posted on Free Republic.

Updated FR Excerpt and Link Only or Deny Posting List due to Copyright Complaints
13 posted on 04/26/2009 7:06:01 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Lee N. Field

Beat me to it.


14 posted on 04/26/2009 7:06:38 PM PDT by Julia H. (Remember when dissent was patriotic?)
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To: Lee N. Field

At one time, I would have trusted the FBI just about totally. In the last twenty years I have come to the conclusion that they are about as untrustworthy as any organization can be.

I simply do not believe them.


15 posted on 04/26/2009 7:07:30 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Admin Moderator

Was unaware of that. Feel free to edit out the quote and leave the title. -”lnf”


16 posted on 04/26/2009 7:07:39 PM PDT by Lee N. Field (Dispensational exegesis not supported by an a-, post- or historic pre-mil scholar will be ignored.)
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To: yarddog
I simply do not believe them.

And after how they shafted Scooter Libby, don't talk to the FBI for any reason without a tape recorder or an attorney to prove your side of the conversation.

17 posted on 04/26/2009 7:10:01 PM PDT by Gideon7
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To: Lee N. Field

I’m sorry. We don’t have the ability to edit posts.


18 posted on 04/26/2009 7:13:30 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: yarddog

Since it seems certain that another was asked that question, I suspect Rachel Scott was also asked.

I realize this was ten years ago, but it disturbs me that if two students were asked about their faith and then killed, I didn’t hear this from the media. You know if they were asked if they were gay and then killed, we’d still be marching. But we talked about how the two perpetrators may have been bullied, etc. No one addressed that they were just Godless hateful individuals who didn’t like anyone that wasn’t as equally Godless as they were.


19 posted on 04/26/2009 7:14:22 PM PDT by Sir Clancelot
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To: Sir Clancelot

I love Christ, and so it’s not out of ambivalence for His faith that I have to say that the “story” about Cassie Bernall is the result of a mistake. Cassie loved the Lord, and lived for Him, but she didn’t participate in that “she said yes” exchange. You can google her name to find out more.


20 posted on 04/26/2009 7:17:45 PM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Sir Clancelot

While Cassie wasn’t asked, I do believe Rachel was asked, though the original source of that story has recanted his account of Rachel’s being asked if she was a Christian.


21 posted on 04/26/2009 7:18:54 PM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Sir Clancelot
****I didn’t hear this from the media.****

It was pretty heavily reported on much of the media. The story came out maybe a few days after the shooting. I know with time people tend to forget this but the story that Cassie Bernall, Rachael Scott and another girl who survived being shot was pretty heavily reported atleast in the Denver papers and much of the conservative christian media.

22 posted on 04/26/2009 7:22:12 PM PDT by fkabuckeyesrule
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To: Theo

As far as the Cassie Bernall story there are people who say she was asked and there are people who say she wasn’t. Of course back then I noted that atheist.com jumped all over the story that she wasn’t asked. The poem she wrote the day before she was killed has always been inspiring for me. I have it written in my Bible.


23 posted on 04/26/2009 7:25:27 PM PDT by fkabuckeyesrule
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To: BlackVeil

The “police” did an AWFUL job at Columbine. They waited till the shooters murdered all they could, and then killed themselves, before counter-attacking. They thus let MANY victims bleed to death, would WOULD have lived, otherwise.
But the worst is thia! NOTE: The 2nd Amendment is SELF-incorporated to all government entities at every level. It is MORE ABSOLUTE than the 1st Amendment, or any of the others, because the wording forbids not only CONGRESS, but ANYONE from infringing on it. The 1st says “Congress shall make no law...”. The 2nd say “shall NOT be infringed!” Period! End of debate!


24 posted on 04/26/2009 7:46:56 PM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: Admin Moderator
I’m sorry. We don’t have the ability to edit posts.

Wow. On purpose? No after the fact editing is one thing I don't like about FR's system.

Anyway, here's the title, sans quotation: 10 years later, the real story behind Columbine.

25 posted on 04/26/2009 7:47:50 PM PDT by Lee N. Field (Dispensational exegesis not supported by an a-, post- or historic pre-mil scholar will be ignored.)
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To: Frantzie
Rule number one in my book is start lobbing in tear gas ASAP and have the fire department ready too.

Yeah, that always works.

26 posted on 04/26/2009 8:01:23 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: yarddog

unfortunately...this has been long proven false. Rachel was outside the school and was shot along with another boy as the two murderers were entering the school..rachel and the other boy, Richard Castaldo, were sitting outside on a hill by the entrance and were gunned down...the other is also false..D. Klebold (one of the murderers) asked another girl who was sitting outside of one of the desks in the library if she believed in God..she said “yes”..he asked why to which she replied something like “because that is how I was brought up”..Dylan just laughed at her and walked away..probably because he was still in shock from breaking his own nose due to the recoil of one of his guns after shooting and killing the girl under the desk who many attribute the ‘God Question’ to...due to the confusion survivors had attributed it to Cassie Bernall (the girl killed under the desk) but she was already dead when Kleboled asked the question to the other girl, Valeen Schnurr. “Authorities” have let it go, in a sense, as the initial reports of Cassie saying “yes” to Klebold’s question gave an ailing community Hope in a time of grief. I have spent the last 10 years researching Columbine. A major misconception is that Dylan and Eric target certain groups, religions, etc. That is VERY false...they wanted to kill every and anyone they could...the initial plan was to kill 500 in the cafeteria with homeade propane bombs and cocktails and gun down survivors as they fled...when the bombs failed to go off, they entered the school and began manually doing the killings. Attributing any reason other than insanity and madness to why these animals did that is to miss what truly happened.
RIP to the 12 students and 1 teacher murdered by sick cowards on 4/20/99


27 posted on 04/26/2009 8:33:26 PM PDT by wheresmycheckbarry?
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To: IronJack

The Media played up a connection that never existed. 10 yrs later, the fake connection as well as speculation that Harris and Klebold were “bullied” is still false and still being perpetuated.


28 posted on 04/26/2009 8:36:26 PM PDT by Twink
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To: IronJack

She wasn’t martyred for her Faith.


29 posted on 04/26/2009 8:37:15 PM PDT by Twink
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To: Frantzie

Here we go again. Blame everyone but the murderers. Makes everyone feel all nice and fuzzy blaming everyone but those who did the actual killing.


30 posted on 04/26/2009 8:38:52 PM PDT by Twink
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To: Sir Clancelot

Yep. She was the “original” martyr. That proved false also. Same with the black football player the media tried to push as being killed because he was “black.”


31 posted on 04/26/2009 8:40:46 PM PDT by Twink
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To: Sir Clancelot

Also proved false after the investigation. They didn’t target her for her faith.


32 posted on 04/26/2009 8:43:26 PM PDT by Twink
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To: yarddog

None of the students were killed because of their faith. They were killed because two nut jobs murdered them and 11 other people.

The agenda of the left was to push for more gun restrictions for law abiding citizens. The agenda of some of the right seems to be to use this as a part of their own agenda.

2 screwed up people murdered 13 others and then being the cowards they are, killed themselves.

You all can blame the cops, blame the parents, blame the faith of a couple students, trying to make them martyrs, blame some kind of bullying that didn’t exist. Fact is 2 really screwed up guys, murdered 13 people then killed themselves.


33 posted on 04/26/2009 8:48:35 PM PDT by Twink
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To: wheresmycheckbarry?

Nothing you have pointed out in any way precludes that they were in fact asked if they were Christian. I know one student said Rachel was asked as he said so on TV and I saw him say it. Another student who was nearby said he didn’t hear that but that doesn’t prove anything. Just that he didn’t hear that conversation doesn’ mean it didn’t happen.


34 posted on 04/26/2009 8:50:26 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Sir Clancelot

It was one of the first things reported by the MSM as well as the black athlete being killed because he was black. All was proven false. Harris and Klebold wanted to kill as many people as they could, some even in their social group. It has also been reported that Harris and Klebold were bullied throughout school and that has also been proven false.


35 posted on 04/26/2009 8:56:46 PM PDT by Twink
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To: fkabuckeyesrule
The story came out maybe a few days after the shooting.

It actually came out that same day. A lot came out during the event and through the same day (on Denver TV anyway) that later turned out to be exactly right. I've learned to trust what I hear first from people who are on the scene of an event, not what comes out later after the media gets their hands on it.


36 posted on 04/26/2009 8:59:19 PM PDT by Cinnamontea
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To: 2harddrive

So wrong. The officers followed policy/orders. Do you think they didn’t want to go in, guns blazing? Most were dead by the time cops and swat arrived. That teacher was still alive and bleeding out, but they couldn’t go in because they didn’t know how many shooters. And that one kid who threw himself out the window? Tell me exactly how those cops, who did help him, could have known whether or not he was one of the shooters.

Armchair quarterbacks, armchair cops. I’m just happy you all don’t slam our military like you do the cops.


37 posted on 04/26/2009 9:01:39 PM PDT by Twink
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To: USNBandit

Heaven forbid the firefighters are forbidden by their superiors per policy to go into a burning building. I’d hate to the hate on here about firefighters.


38 posted on 04/26/2009 9:02:55 PM PDT by Twink
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To: yarddog

not gonna argue..other than this...Rachel had ZERO time to be asked any questions..she was the first killed..before they even entered the school...Cassie was dead before he asked the question. I’m a Believer...and I’m thankful I’ll get to meet the girls one day in the Perfection and Glory of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ..HOWEVER, as stated before, I have spent the last 10 years researching Columbine and have interviewed 7 survivors from the library including the girl who was under the desk with Cassie as she was killed by Klebold....Cassie was not the girl asked the question....Klebold bent under the table, said “Peek a Boo” and shot her point blank....the recoil of the gun broke his nose and he was bleeding profusely...the girl outside of the desk was saying “oh God Oh God” over and over again..to which Klebold asked the infamous question and exchange as stated previously..but due to the fact that he was stunned from breaking his own nose and bleeding everywhere he simply told her “that’s pathetic” or something of the like, then proceeded to the library windows with Eric Harris and fired a few more shots at the police officers...Cassie was already perfected in Heaven by this time.


39 posted on 04/26/2009 9:03:21 PM PDT by wheresmycheckbarry?
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To: wheresmycheckbarry?
Rachel had ZERO time to be asked any questions

I don't know if she was asked a question, but she DID have time to speak. One of the wounded students testified that one of the killers spoke to her (as she lay on the ground) before shooting her, and she spoke back. The boy who was wounded has refused to talk about what he heard.


40 posted on 04/26/2009 9:06:28 PM PDT by Cinnamontea
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To: wheresmycheckbarry?

Yep. And thanks for posting that.


41 posted on 04/26/2009 9:08:16 PM PDT by Twink
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To: Cinnamontea

due to the confusion of what was going on it was easily mistakenly attributed to Cassie...the wounded boy was bleeding out and was in and out of consciousness for some time before being pulled out of a shot out window by SWAT shortly after Dylan shot Eric (the other shooter) and then himself


42 posted on 04/26/2009 9:08:59 PM PDT by wheresmycheckbarry?
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To: Cinnamontea

Check all those sources again. Scott was killed outside. Cassie Bernall (sp) was the student in question (the so called martyr for her Faith).


43 posted on 04/26/2009 9:10:37 PM PDT by Twink
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To: wheresmycheckbarry?
No, these are two separate events. Rachel Scott was shot outside, several times, and DID speak after, I believe, the first shot. This is easily checked. The witness was (if I have the name right) Richard Castaldo.


44 posted on 04/26/2009 9:13:14 PM PDT by Cinnamontea
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To: wheresmycheckbarry?

I would like to add that I am QUITE thankful that Cassie’s “legend”, if you will, does exist..its has led faceless thousands to Christ...There is absolutely no doubt that she was a strong Believer.


45 posted on 04/26/2009 9:13:37 PM PDT by wheresmycheckbarry?
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To: Cinnamontea

correct..I have stated that Rachel was killed alongside of Castaldo who was wounded multiple times on a hill near the entrance of the school as Harris and Klebold were coming up from the parking lot


46 posted on 04/26/2009 9:16:27 PM PDT by wheresmycheckbarry?
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To: Twink
Twink, read my post carefully. I'm talking about Rachel, not Cassie. As far as Cassie being a "so-called martyr," your bias is glowing like a neon light.

Now, as far as Cassie goes, I watched a fellow student being interviewed hours after the shooting. She was an "ear" witness to Cassie's statement, the first person I heard to tell the story. She was very clear in what she said. I trust her -- or any commonsense witness mere hours after something takes place -- over the twisted media and people with an agenda.


47 posted on 04/26/2009 9:17:39 PM PDT by Cinnamontea
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To: Cinnamontea

I’m gonna apologize to you right off. I don’t mean any offense. Just trying to correct falsehoods.

As far as my “bias glowing like a neon light” you can really shove it or bite me or whatever. Nice passive-aggressive crap.

I have no bias as I have no subjectivity or agenda.

Harris and Klebold didn’t kill Scott or Bernall because they were Christians. They didn’t kill Sholes (sp), the black football player because he was black or because he was an athlete. The media tried to spin that too.

The Cassie Bernall story, and myth, has been proven false. Another student negated that other student’s “claim.” You can choose to believe whatever the hell you want but the facts don’t support it. Just like the facts don’t support that these two murderers were bullied in high school.

The agenda of the gun grabbers is to promote this massacre as a reason to limit our 2nd A rights. The agenda of some is to say that these two students were bullied and all that bullying caused them to murder 13 people. The agenda of others is to pretend that they were anti Christian and murdered one or two students because of those students faith. The agenda of others is to use them as an excuse to bash the cops. Then, as we saw during the first hours as this was happening, was to make it a racist act.

Spin it anyway you want but I ain’t buying it, no matter who’s agenda is getting top billing.

Do you really think Cassie’s parents weren’t spinning this? Even after it was proved false, they still went with her being killed because of her belief in God, her faith.

Harris and Klebold didn’t kill anyone for their faith or their race or their athletic prowess or for any other reason but they were freakin loons. They were hateful, evil people. If anything, they proved that the 2nd A is necessary. If one adult had a gun, could have taken them out, maybe 13 innocent people wouldn’t have died. If the teacher in the Library had a gun, or the teacher in the Cafe, hell if any of them had a weapon and weren’t sitting ducks, maybe so many innocents wouldn’t have died.

I believe in God just like you do. I also know my gun will protect me when push comes to shove.

We’re seriously raising people who don’t rely on themselves to protect themselves.

Again, it’s been proved that Bernall and Scott weren’t killed because they were Christians. To perpetuate this nonsense does nothing for those murdered or their survivors or our Conservative cause.


48 posted on 04/26/2009 9:50:36 PM PDT by Twink
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To: Cinnamontea

So during the live broadcast when that one student said Shules was killed because he was black and she heard “racist comments” and the murderers were racist, did you believe that too?

With your reasoning, per witness statements, Cassie was murdered because she was a Christian and that black football player was murdered because he was black, or because he was an athlete or because he was not only black but an athlete. Heaven forbid, an athlete. Athletes are horrible. All should be shot. They’re bullies.

The first interview on TV was from a student, girl, who claimed that Shules was murdered because he was black and Klebold and Harris were racists. Then the media tried to spin the “athlete” angle. The “Christian” angle was pushed but like the rest, proved false.

Anyone using this or any other massacre for their own agenda sucks imo. Same thing happened with the loon from VaTech.

I don’t fall for it. Sorry you do.


49 posted on 04/26/2009 10:04:02 PM PDT by Twink
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To: Twink

No such thing has been “proven,” if for no other reason than the impossibility of proving a negative.


50 posted on 04/27/2009 5:22:23 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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