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1 posted on 04/28/2009 12:58:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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AS long as they do not hit me up for the Welfare, they can have all the kids they want.


2 posted on 04/28/2009 1:01:01 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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They are correct and therefore the World will come against them and their movement like wolves.


3 posted on 04/28/2009 1:01:27 PM PDT by lonestar67 ("I love my country a lot more than I love politics," President George W. Bush)
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Reminds me of an old joke:

A pastor and his wife said it was against their “theology” to use birth control, and they would trust God to limit their family. Sure enough for the first 5 years of their marriage they had no children.

But in the 6th year of their marriage, they had a child.
In the 7th year of their marriage, they had a child.
In the 8th year of their marriage, they had a child.
In the 9th year of their marriage, they had a child.
In the 10th year of their marriage, they had a child.

In the 11th year of their marriage, their “theology” changed.


4 posted on 04/28/2009 1:03:33 PM PDT by dawn53
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Good old Trollope! I wonder how many people get the Biblical and Barchester Chronicles allusions in the name “Quiverfull”.


8 posted on 04/28/2009 1:07:02 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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"They speak about, 'If everyone starts having eight children or 12 children, imagine in three generations what we'll be able to do,' " Joyce says. " 'We'll be able to take over both halls of Congress, we'll be able to reclaim sinful cities like San Francisco for the faithful, and we'll be able to wage very effective massive boycotts against companies that are going against God's will.'"

Although I don't entirely agree with the Quiverfull theology (I think Natural Family Planning is appropriate if one has serious reasons to want to space children further apart), I certainly agree with most of what they believe.

But I think they'd be wise to pipe down about taking over Congress etc. and be realistic about what is going to happen to them and to the rest of us who share their basic life-affirming outlook: at some point, when homeschooling large families become common enough to threaten the Culture of Death that now is entrenched in power the Culture Warriors of Death will outlaw large families, outlaw homeschooling and take children away from such families to be "reeducated." They will not simply let themselves be overwhelmed by demography. As they realize they are losing demographically, they will fight back and it will be horrible.

Can it be resisted, perhaps prevented? Yes, by God's grace. But people like those interviewed here should be hardheaded about what they are up against and begin planning for how they will defend themselves when their entire way of life is declared anti-social, violence-engendering, misanthropic, eeeeeeeevvviiiiiillll and outlawed.

9 posted on 04/28/2009 1:08:01 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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As a child raised in foster care and an adoptive parent, I wonder why these folks give no thought to enlarging their families via adoption, given the millions of waiting children in this world.

The Bible ALSO says this:

Pure religion in the sight of God our father is this...to care for orphans in their distress....

(from the book of James)


10 posted on 04/28/2009 1:09:29 PM PDT by mom4melody
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Of course, brave NPR wouldn't have the nerve to write an article on the be fruitful and populate the earth Muslim mentality whose goal is to convert everyone at swordpoint.

They are simply throwing red meat to their anti-Christian constituency.

11 posted on 04/28/2009 1:10:32 PM PDT by Lizavetta (Politicians: When they're not lying, they're stealing.)
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Before modern manufacturing, making an arrow was a very difficult and time consuming process. Yes, it required a great deal of attention; but the reward for that effort was a tool far superior to any other for hunting and defense, etc.

That’s the meaning of the description. It implies that parents who have many good arrows [well loved, cared for, educated children] are blessed.


15 posted on 04/28/2009 1:16:49 PM PDT by Stat-boy
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This is an issue near and dear to my heart. I didn’t know there was an actual movement. I do know that my husband and I have been struggling with the issue of whether or not we should be fooling around with our bodies to limit the number of children we have. On the other hand, although we are excited to welcome our 5th Rush Baby later this year (5 kids 7 and under) we are thinking that more than 5 might be too much for our sanity. I do know that my liberal friends have fallen way behind in the race - so maybe that’s a good thing....


17 posted on 04/28/2009 1:28:50 PM PDT by jacjmm
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I did my share. We had five kids, and now that I’ve seen what wonderful hard-working, bright, Conservative, patriotic Americans they have grown up to be, I wish we had had a dozen. And no, we never took a penny from welfare or anyone else. Just the opposite, we have paid more than our share of taxes, and have helped just about everyone we ever met who was truly in need.


18 posted on 04/28/2009 1:29:07 PM PDT by holyscroller ( Without God, America is one nation under)
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These folks are right: God's law makes society flourish as well.

One of the most thought-provoking articles in the past year is the following from First Things, from which I have excerpted 2 paragraphs:

http://www.firstthings.com/article.php3?id_article=6564

The baby boomers evidently concluded that one day they all would sell their houses to each other at exorbitant prices and retire on the proceeds. The national household savings rate fell to zero by 2007, as Americans came to believe that capital gains on residential real estate would substitute for savings.

After a $15 trillion reduction in asset values, Americans are now saving as much as they can. Of course, if everyone saves and no one spends, the economy shuts down, which is precisely what is happening. The trouble is not that aging baby boomers need to save. The problem is that the families with children who need to spend never were formed in sufficient numbers to sustain growth.

19 posted on 04/28/2009 1:33:45 PM PDT by jobim
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the FIRST Commandment of God is to be fruitful and multiply. It is right there in Gen 1.

Quiverfull sounds pretty cool. Having lots of kids is the only way to preserve western christian culture in the long run. But kids are a blessing in themselves.

Lots of children is cool!!


20 posted on 04/28/2009 1:33:49 PM PDT by rogernz
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21 posted on 04/28/2009 1:35:24 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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People can have as many kids as they want, as long as they don’t ask me to pay for them.

As for me, I’ll do my part by first making sure my children have a good daddy who will stick by them and support them.

Yes, that means I’m single and childless :p


22 posted on 04/28/2009 1:35:39 PM PDT by Ellendra (Can't starve us out, and you can't make us run...Country folks CAN survive!!! -Hank Jr.)
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Personally I think the women are nuts. But it’s THEIR choice to wear themselves out. Three children were quite enough for me.


24 posted on 04/28/2009 1:39:51 PM PDT by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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I am unable to find a flaw in their reasoning. All I would point out is that if they have a TV in their house that the kids can watch whenever they want, it will undo all their hard work.


25 posted on 04/28/2009 1:40:07 PM PDT by ikka (Brother, you asked for it!)
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Our goal should be to swamp the left with Christian, homeschooled, conservative children. They find NOTHING more horrifying.


26 posted on 04/28/2009 1:48:13 PM PDT by Antoninus (Now accepting apologies from repentant Mittens.)
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A Christian God, that is

Another Delicious Dish moment.


27 posted on 04/28/2009 1:49:12 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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Here is a great video on demographics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK1pnCldKZI
The fate of Western Civiliation depends more on birth rates than on Rush Limbaugh or James Dobson. The numbers are very bad for us.

30 posted on 04/28/2009 2:00:49 PM PDT by azcap (Who is John Galt ? www.conservativeshirts.com)
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. . . fries 3 pounds of sausage from the family's own pig

I wonder what happened to Porky?

31 posted on 04/28/2009 2:01:06 PM PDT by sportutegrl (If liberals could do math, they would be conservatives.)
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