Posted on 05/02/2009 9:29:20 AM PDT by Terriergal
I spoke today with Richard Land, public policy chief of the Southern Baptist Convention—the nation's largest evangelical denomination—and was struck by his praise of President Obama for living out "family values":
Not enough religious conservatives are saying this: It's terribly important that [Obama] gives every indication of being a moral man who is demonstrably fond of his wife and children. I think that's important in a president, be it a Democrat or a Republican. That's why I said I couldn't vote for Giuliani or Gingrich. I think [Obama's] making a real difference in this country in his example as a model father and husband.
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I guess Obama’s Pro Abortion policies represent great family values!
What? Oh my word the world sure does miss Brother Rogers.
He needs to step down ASAP.
I’m a Baptist and my family values compared to Obamas as as far about as the east is to the west! I have them, a man who does want his girls burdened with a baby does not have family values.
Those are also some of his his family values.
THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IN HIS OWN WORDS
NOW WE KNOW WHAT A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER DOES
OBAMA, THE STOCK MARKET, AND ENERGY
THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S UPBRINGING
Do you sometimes get the impression that all large church organizations have been coopted? What is guiding Land’s statements, here?
A very typical instance of false moral equivalence - abortion and infanticide both destroy an innocent, living human being. They are, by their very nature and definition, final, permanent, and irredeemable. The superficial show of “family values” proves nothing - and is nothing, when measured against his character flaws.
This is too hard to believe.
Is it the media misreporting?
What is moral about crushing future generations of our country with debt, confiscating money from earners while giving it to others that didn’t earn it, and taxing businesses into oblivion?
We are in trouble. He may be married and faithful but his rest of his actions are not in synch. What a fool for saying this - what a fool.
Yes, I do, and the ‘seeker sensitive’ (e.g. PC) movement in the church is a big old part of it. Think Bill Hybels, Rick Warren, etc.
Was listening to the White Horse Inn (I think it was them) a few weeks ago and they were reminding us that politicians are not the problem. Evangelical pastors are the problem! How can we be salt and light when we’re fed pablum in church in the interests of growing a ‘crowd’ and being popular?
beats me.
However I'm trying to find a source other than this reporter's blog... did he just make it all up?
So, in the end, will the Catholic Church be the last one standing for moral values????? (that is, those in the church who follow the guidelines?)
Large, centrally organized denominations have turned into Mammon. Maybe they always were. It’s about money, not salvation. Turn to the Bible, and turn to prayer ... not man. That’s the answer.
Well, that didn't take long. How insistent has the Catholic church been, even in the hierarchy? Who voted majority Obama? How many corrupt, immoral, Catholic politicians are still in Communion?
He has pointed out many times, Obama's pro-abortion; pro-embryonic stem cell (cloning) "research"; as well as Obama's acceptance of homosexual agenda.
In fact, Land has raised many alarms on the homosexual agenda in America as one that is pulling at our very moral fabric.
Land is convinced that Obama is really anti-America and anti-Constitution.
Where that "reporter" gathered his quote is beyond me but nowhere in Dr. Land's public utterances has he endorsed Obama in any way matter or form.
He may have commented on Obama's apparent devotion to his wife and daughters, in comparison to Gingrich and Guiliani, a fact that we all are very aware of but as to his moral outlook on life, Land is NOT applauding Obama - quite the opposite.
“Do you sometimes get the impression that all large church organizations have been coopted? What is guiding Land’s statements, here?”
Politics. Its required for advancement in any large organization.
Think about what he said and forget the disgust for BO. BO is married and has two kids which he plays at being the dutiful and loving father. Thats all the MSM people see.
They don’t see BO’s support for the culture of death as that is outside their 15 second attention span.
“Evangelical pastors are the problem! How can we be salt and light when we’re fed pablum in church in the interests of growing a ‘crowd’ and being popular?”
ROTFLMAO - yeah its a ‘bad’ thing to get more butts in seats. Its really bad to bring more people to the Lord. /sarc
What planet are you living on?
Perfect example of how the socialists divide and conquer and we play right along.
Being a positive role model is an important aspect of the Presidency. Separating words from actions, and appearances from reality, though, is an important aspect of leadership in a purportedly Christian organization. I know this statement was likely tossing a bone to the media, in order to come across as not entirely condemning the man. But it really rubs me the wrong way.
If all those “butts” in those “seats” are being fed pabulum, are they being brought to the Lord? They’re tithing. They’re listening to soft moralizing that is loosely linked to the Bible. They’re listening to “praise music” modeled after contemporary pop tunes. What else?
“I know this statement was likely tossing a bone to the media, in order to come across as not entirely condemning the man. But it really rubs me the wrong way.”
I agree but IMO we must remember how our enemy is and not eat our own.
There seems to be two approaches. One that insists we must be fair and give credit when he does something right. The other is that we must condemn the entire person.
“If all those “butts” in those “seats” are being fed pabulum, are they being brought to the Lord? They’re tithing. They’re listening to soft moralizing that is loosely linked to the Bible. They’re listening to “praise music” modeled after contemporary pop tunes. What else?”
You’re talking through ignorance, putting all churches in the same category. Praise for the Lord does not have to follow a formula, it just has to follow the Word.
Praising God can be fun and exciting for the unchurched. It also makes it a heck of a lot easier to attract those who are not saved. And that is the mission Jesus set before us.
I’m going to let that comment about talking through ignorance go, and just ask you: how much do you cast aside, and how many concessions to worldliness do you make, in order to draw a crowd?
I’ve prayed for Obama, that the Lord open his eyes, that he be changed. I’ve defended Pat Robertson when nobody else would do anything but call him a nut, for trying to find the positive in Obama, and trying to encourage him into a Godly direction. But, looking for reasons to praise him pertaining to family, when he advocates postpartum infanticide, is more than I can stomach.
“I’m going to let that comment about talking through ignorance go,”
Why, either you are correct that each and every church that uses modern music is failing to teach Gods word or you are wrong. Its my view that you are wrong. The boring, dusty church singing 100 year old songs and the same old dusty sermons is no closer to God just because its old and boring. In my view they have done more to chase souls away than anything else.
“how much do you cast aside, and how many concessions to worldliness do you make, in order to draw a crowd?”
You don’t need to cast anything aside. You just need to communicate it in a new way that they can understand. Jesus went out among the unsaved, he did not expect them to come to him.
Dr. Land is solidly conservative. I know him personally. This is quote, by its lack of context, is blatant misquote.
I get the impression that every person with any authority has
been co-opted.
“But, looking for reasons to praise him pertaining to family, when he advocates postpartum infanticide, is more than I can stomach.”
I cannot stand to watch him or hear him speak. I think he is selling out our country and our culture. I agree with the other poster who thinks the writer took the comments out of context.
folks that run organizations get institutionalized perspectives
what a feel good idgit
how the hell does anyone know Obama is faithful
he has jungle fever white reporters lined up like a Vadim flick
who’s to say he doesn’t indulge?
Please put it into the proper context, then. It would be a great relief.
A model father who wouldn’t want his “daughters punished with a baby” yep real family values.
Please see my tagline.
“But the LORD said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.”
1 Samuel 16:7
He’s looking at the slick, magazine package that is always being presented.
It is a sad truth that many churches seek the approval of man rather than God. It is more important to be popular than to be right. God does indeed look at our hearts, and where our hearts are, there is our treasure.
Jesus didn’t tell Peter that everyone would be Saints. He told him that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church.
Did Peter consider himself Catholic?
April 29, 2009
Obama Works to Redefine Role of Faith in First 100 Days
by Dan Gilgoff
U.S. News & World Report
The Southern Baptist Convention’s Richard Land has worked with presidential administrations going back to Ronald Reagan’s, but he can’t remember any that has convened an advisory council composedised (sic) mostly of religious leaders, as President Obama has done. The council gives religion “an institutionally higher profile than under President Bush,” says the conservative Land, who directs public policy for the nation’s largest evangelical denomination. “No president that I’ve dealt with has had anything like it.”
Left-leaning advocacy groups agree, though they tend to be more troubled by a bigger role for religion in the White House. Americans United for Separation of Church and State, for example, is dismayed by how Obama’s faith-based office has operated so far. “Bush’s office completely disregarded the separation of church and state,” says Executive Director Barry Lynn, “and nobody sees any change from that yet.”
In his first 100 days in office, President Obama has sought a bold new role for faith in the White House, which aides say is aimed largely at dialing down the decades-old culture wars. Without changing his party’s liberal stances on social issues like abortion, for example, Obama is nonetheless attempting to reach out to religious conservatives by pledging to work toward reducing demand for abortion. And while acknowledging his party’s own secular base—he went out of his way to mention nonbelievers in his inaugural address—Obama has sought to showcase religion’s expanded role in his White House, opening his rallies with public prayer.
So far, the project has blunted the Christian right’s usual criticism of Democratic administrations, even earning plaudits from some high-profile religious conservatives. But it has also alienated some traditionally Democratic constituencies, from advocates for strict church-state separation to the gay rights movement.
http://pewforum.org/news/rss.php?NewsID=18000
More recent article - in context from the same source.
Land likes Obama.
I thought Rick Warren just apologized for supporting Prop 8? How many praise songs and guys strumming guitars in blue jeans does it take to get the Lord to accept homosexual marriage? Just curious..
All the apostles were Catholic. Catholics are the Original Christians. Put your Bible down, which you wouldn’t have in the first place if it weren’t for the Catholic Church, and read the early Church fathers.
Cardinal John Henry Newman, Anglican Convert:
To be deep in the early fathers is to cease to be protestant.
All the fancy music in the world has never and never will, save one soul.
“How many praise songs and guys strumming guitars in blue jeans does it take to get the Lord to accept homosexual marriage? Just curious..”
Its my guess it would take a lot more than exist.
How many hateful statements would it take to get the Lord to reject lost sheep?
“All the apostles were Catholic. Catholics are the Original Christians.”
Baloney
“Put your Bible down,”
Spoken like a true heretic.
So does ND University.
“All the fancy music in the world has never and never will, save one soul.”
Neither has a dusty old church or a false idol sitting atop the ‘alter’
Only Jesus can save. The rest is window dressing.
All the Apostles were practicing Jews, who believed Jesus Christ to be the fulfillment of Judaism, the Messiah. That, in hindsight, made them Christians. Would Peter have recognized a huge, worldwide organization based in Rome, that claims him as their founder? Or would he recognize people following the Messiah as he did, as the church?
As far as the Bible, the glory belongs to God, at whose behest the Bible was compiled. Catholicism played an important role in compiling and editing pre-existing texts, and for that all Christians are grateful. Outside of that, it’s sort of crass for a particular sect to claim ownership of the Word of God, especially one that branded those who attempted early translations into languages other than Latin as heretical, as was the case with John Wycliffe.
Whatever, I’m Catholic already. It only eternal salvation that you are risking. God Bless You...
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