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Fr. Corapi On Notre Dame; (Full Text) Statement On Behalf Of The Cardinal Newman Society
fratres ^ | May 8, 2009 | james mary evans

Posted on 05/08/2009 6:47:04 AM PDT by NYer

NOTE: Father Corapi also prepared a video on behalf of the Cardinal Newman Society – You can view it on Father’s website and find more information and SIGN THE PETITION by clicking here.

It is my privilege to be able to deliver the following message on behalf of the Cardinal Newman Society:

As you know, the University of Notre Dame—an old and honored Catholic institution of higher learning in the United States—recently dishonored itself, and to some extent the entire Catholic world, by inviting President Barack Obama to receive an honorary Doctor of Laws degree, and to deliver the commencement address on May 17th.

Mr. Obama will be the ninth U.S. president to be awarded an honorary degree by the University and the sixth to be the Commencement speaker. He is the first to be so honored, however, that has such an obviously public and pernicious anti-life, and anti-Catholic/Christian bias.

The Catholic Church has taught and does teach that every human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person—among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life (CCC 2270).

Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion is gravely contrary to the moral law (CCC 2271). On more than one occasion Pope John Paul II and Mother Teresa of Calcutta called it “murder.”

No president in history has been so damaging to the cause of respect for life than this one, and he’s only just begun. His constant and unwavering support for the right to choose the homicide of abortion is a matter of record—and not only abortion, but partial-birth abortion, infanticide, fetal stem cell research, and even removing the right of medical professionals to act in accordance with their conscience marks him as a singular enemy of essential elements of the Catholic Church’s moral teaching.

This man the University of Notre Dame invites to receive an honorary doctorate degree and deliver the commencement address? Whether intended or not, this sends a terrible message to the Catholic world and to the world at large. A picture is worth a thousand words. Which thousand words will be articulated to an already morally relativistic culture by the picture of Mr. Obama receiving such honors from a Catholic University? Metaphorically and morally it’s like shooting yourself in the foot. So Notre Dame limps on.

Many of you did what you could to prevent this travesty from actually happening, and at this moment barring a bolt of lightning or divine intervention, it looks like it will happen. We want to sincerely thank the more than 350,000 people that signed the petition of protest against Notre Dame’s obvious lack of good judgment in making a singularly public statement that not only dilutes the University’s Catholic credibility and identity, but undermines the authentically Catholic identity and credibility of the Church in this country.

Almost 70 bishops have likewise voiced their disapproval in no uncertain terms, thereby demonstrating their courage and strong pastoral leadership. We are very thankful to them as well.

This strong and courageous witness is truly a sign of hope. It needs to grow. Authentic Catholic identity has to be restored in our Catholic Universities and other institutions of learning. If it is restored, our nation will be restored. If it is not restored we shall have much to answer for in the moral unraveling of a great nation, and ultimately the loss of souls.

The Catholic Church and its educational institutions must return to a position of strong and uncompromising moral leadership, integrity, and credibility. If we stand for nothing we begin to fall for everything. If, indeed, we “choose prestige over principles and popularity over morality” then we become part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Pray for the University of Notre Dame, its president, its board of directors, and students. And pray for our bishops, for in the end the burden will rest on their shoulders to decide whether the University of Notre Dame, and others like it, are Catholic or not.

The battle is not over, my friends, it’s just now begun in earnest. So, fight the good fight, and run the race to the finish line, for in the end we have the certain knowledge that truth will triumph over lies, light over darkness, and good over evil.

God love you. God bless you. Good bye.

Fr. John Corapi


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: corapi; ndu; obama

1 posted on 05/08/2009 6:47:06 AM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

amen Father


2 posted on 05/08/2009 6:48:42 AM PDT by silverleaf ("Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal ( Martin Luther King))
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Prayer ping!


3 posted on 05/08/2009 6:48:42 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent
I would like very much to know the feelings of this good man of Christ on Obama speaking at the commencement at Notre Dame, given Obama’s statements on abortion.

Here is the response to the question you posted earlier in the week on the other thread.

4 posted on 05/08/2009 6:50:06 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: silverleaf
I saw Father Corapi on EWTN the other night and he was really unloading on politicians, warning of socialism, and leadership in the White house. I was impressed!
5 posted on 05/08/2009 6:53:55 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: NYer

Father Corapi is our gift from GOD.


6 posted on 05/08/2009 7:06:10 AM PDT by Barney59 ("Amen")
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To: Barney59

He’s motivating me to RETURN to the church!


7 posted on 05/08/2009 7:17:46 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: NYer

I pray for him and BXVI regularly


8 posted on 05/08/2009 7:20:29 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: NYer
Obama is the enemy of the Catholic Church. I wish Jenkins could be forceably removed.
9 posted on 05/08/2009 7:23:10 AM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: FES0844

Have you heard his conversion story? It’s amazing.


10 posted on 05/08/2009 7:24:02 AM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: NYer

The bishops who have so far expressed disapproval of Notre Dame's invitation to Obama (in alphabetical order) are:

Current count: 68 bishops

Bishop Joseph V. Adamec - Altoona-Johnstown, PA
Statement: http://www.ajdiocese.org/documents//April_8__2009_-_Notre_Dame_University.pdf
LSN http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050718.html

Bishop John D'Arcy - Fort Wayne-South Bend, IN
Statement: http://www.diocesefwsb.org/COMMUNICATIONS/obama.htm
LSN Report: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09032408.html

Bishop Samuel Aquila - Fargo, ND
Statement: http://www.fargodiocese.org/Bishop/Homilies/StatementNotreDameLtr4-5-09.pdf
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040906.html

Bishop Gregory Aymond - Austin, TX
Statement: http://www.austindiocese.org/newsletter_issue_view.php?id=211
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09032707.html

Bishop Robert Baker - Birmingham, AL
Statement: http://www.ewtn.com/library/BISHOPS/bpbakernd.HTM
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040807.html

Bishop Gerald Barbarito - Palm Beach, FL
Statement: http://www.diocesepb.org/bishop/Acrobat_files/Bishop
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09041406.html

Bishop Leonard Blair - Toledo, OH
Statement: http://proecclesia.blogspot.com/2009/04/bishop-blair-responds-to-notre-dame.html
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042003.html

Cardinal Anthony Bevilacqua (Archbishop Emeritus) - Philadelphia, PA
Statement: http://patricknovecosky.wordpress.com/2009/05/04/cardinal-bevilacqua-addresses-n...
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050509.html

Bishop Lawrence Brandt - Greensburg, PA
Statement: http://www.dioceseofgreensburg.org/DH/Pages/NotreDamestatement.aspx
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050509.html

Archbishop Daniel Buechlein - Indianapolis, IN
Statement: http://www.archindy.org/criterion/local/2009/04-10/notredame.html
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040807.html

Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz - Lincoln, NE
Statement: http://www.cardinalnewmansociety.org/News/tabid/54/ctl/Details/mid/452/ItemID/49...
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040906.html

Archbishop Eusebius Beltran - Oklahoma City, OK
Statement: http://newsok.com/speech-by-obama-faces-catholic-foes/article/3357948
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040204.html

Auxiliary Bishop Oscar Cantú - San Antonio, TX
Statement: http://www.archdiosa.org/txtfiles/attachment_153.pdf
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040704.html

Archbishop Charles Chaput - Denver, CO
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042905.html

Bishop Paul Coakley - Salina, KS
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042003.html

Bishop Edward Cullen - Allentown, PA
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050403.html

Bishop Nicholas Di Marzio - Brooklyn, NY
Statement: http://thetablet.org/05092009/columns_bishop.html )
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050718.html

Cardinal Daniel DiNardo
- Houston, TX
Statement: http://www.texascatholicherald.org/columnists.html
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09032717.html

Archbishop Timothy Dolan - New York, NY
Statement: http://www.620wtmj.com/podcasts/charliesykes/sundayinsight/42081097.html?video=p...

Bishop Thomas Doran - Rockford, IL
Statement: http://www.cardinalnewmansociety.org/CardinalNewmanSociety/tabid/36/ctl/Details/...
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040204.html

Auxiliary Bishop John Dougherty - Scranton, PA
Statement: http://www.dioceseofscranton.org/News/ScrantonBishopsProtestNotreDameDecisionApr...
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040302.html

Bishop Robert Finn - Kansas City-St. Joseph, MO
Statement: http://catholickey.blogspot.com/2009/04/we-are-at-war-bishop-finns-gospel-of.htm...
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042003.html

Bishop Joseph Galante - Camden, NJ
Statement: http://www.camdendiocese.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&i...
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042807.html

Bishop Victor Galeone - St. Augustine, FL
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042211.html

Cardinal Francis George - Chicago, IL; President, USCCB
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09033106.html

Bishop Gerald Gettelfinger - Evansville, IN
Statement: http://www.themessageonline.org/local/2009/04-17/bishop.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042003.html

Archbishop José Gomez - San Antonio, TX
Statement: http://www.archdiosa.org/txtfiles/attachment_153.pdf
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040704.html

Bishop Bernard Harrington - Winona, MN
Statement: http://www.dow.org/documents/09mayweb.pdf
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09043004.html

Bishop Robert Hermann - St. Louis, MO
Statement: http://stlouisreview.com/article/2009-04-30/i-thought-you-should-know
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050403.html

Bishop William Higi - Lafayette, IN
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040704.html

Archbishop Alfred Hughes - New Orleans, LA
Statement: http://blog.nola.com/elections_impact/2009/04/Hughes%20letter.pdf
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040704.html

Bishop Michael O. Jackels - Wichita, KS
Statement: http://cdowk.org/advanceonline/2009/04/09/bishop-jackels-letter-to-notre-dame/
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050105.html

Bishop James V. Johnston - Springfield-Cape Girardeau, MO
http://home.catholicweb.com/diocspfdcape/index.cfm/NewsItem?id=263157
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09043004.html

Bishop Peter Jugis - Charlotte, NC
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042807.html

Bishop Joseph Latino - Jackson, MS
Statement: http://nems360.com/pages/full_story?page_label=news&id=2300764-Mississippi+b...
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042003.html

Bishop John LeVoir - New Ulm, MN
Statement: http://www.dnu.org/bishop/041309statement.html
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042302.html

Bishop Jerome Listecki - La Crosse, WI
Statement: http://www.dioceseoflacrosse.com/ministry_resources/ministries/resources/Notre%2...
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040711.html

Bishop William E. Lori - Bridgeport, CT
Statement: http://www.bridgeportdiocese.com/folder_bridgedocs/FCC%204-4-09.pdf
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040704.html

Bishop Paul Loverde - Arlington, VA
Statement: http://www.cardinalnewmansociety.org/CardinalNewmanSociety/tabid/36/ctl/Details/...
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042302.html

Bishop George Lucas - Springfield, IL
Statement:http://www.dio.org/bishop-lucas-weekly-column/from-east-to-west-we-must-witness-...
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042003.html

Bishop Robert Lynch - St. Petersburg, FL
Statement: http://bishopsblog.dosp.org/2009/03/27/week-end-update/
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09033103.html

Bishop Joseph Martino - Scranton, PA
http://www.dioceseofscranton.org/News/ScrantonBishopsProtestNotreDameDecisionApr...
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040302.html

Bishop John McCormack - Manchester, NH
Statement: http://www.catholicnh.org/public-issues/fcn-archive/und/
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09043004.html

Bishop Robert Morlino - Madison, WI
Statement: http://www.catholiccitizens.org/views/contentview.asp?c=49889
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09033103.html

Bishop William Murphy - Rockville Centre, NY
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050105.html

Bishop George Murry - Youngstown, OH
Statement: http://cathexpo.org/articledetails.aspx?articleid=240
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040704.html

Archbishop John J. Myers - Newark, NJ
Statement: http://www.rcan.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=feature.display&feature_ID=1299
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040106.html

Archbishop Joseph Naumann - Kansas City, KS
http://www.theleaven.com/columnist/archbishop_column.html
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042709.html

Bishop R. Walker Nickless - Sioux City, IA
Statement: http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=32936
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040106.html

Archbishop John C. Nienstedt - St. Paul-Minneapolis, MN
Statement: http://www.cardinalnewmansociety.org/CardinalNewmanSociety/tabid/36/ctl/Details/...
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09033103.html

Archbishop Edwin O'Brien - Baltimore, MD
Statement: http://www.catholicreview.org/subpages/storyarchnew.aspx?action=5978
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040807.html

Bishop Thomas Olmsted - Phoenix, AZ
Statement: http://www.americanpapist.com/2009/03/exclusive-bp-olmsted-tells-nd.html
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09032605.html

Archbishop Daniel E. Pilarczyk - Cincinnati, OH
Statement: http://www.cardinalnewmansociety.org/CardinalNewmanSociety/tabid/36/ctl/Details/...
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042003.html

Bishop Reymundo Pena - Brownsville, TX
http://www.cdob.org/bishop/column/2009/4-24-09.htm
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050403.html

Bishop Glen Provost - Lake Charles, LA
Statement: http://live.lcdiocese.org/bishop-provost/writings/285-bishop-provost-comments-on...
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042807.html

Bishop David Ricken - Green Bay, WI
Statement: http://www.thecompassnews.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&...
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050509.html

Cardinal Justin Rigali - Philadelphia, PA; Chairman, USCCB Pro-Life Committee
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042803.html

Bishop Kevin Rhoades - Harrisburg, PA
Statement:http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=33146
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040106.html

Bishop Alexander Sample - Marquette, MI
Statement: http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=15630
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040807.html

Bishop Edward J. Slattery - Tulsa, OK
Statement: http://www.dioceseoftulsa.org/article.asp?nID=907
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040106.html

Bishop Richard Stika - Knoxville, TN
Statement:http://www.dioceseofknoxville.org/?news=3585&menu=1462&level=1
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09041406.html

Bishop Anthony Taylor - Little Rock, AR
Statement: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/note.php?note_id=66338251686
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09040704.html

Bishop George Thomas - Helena, MT
Statement: http://www.diocesehelena.org/thomas/050109%20letter.pdf
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050509.html

Bishop Robert Vasa - Baker, OR
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042003.html

Bishop Michael Warfel - Great Falls-Billings, MT
Statement: http://www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200905011500/NEWS01/...
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09043009.html

Bishop Thomas Wenski - Orlando, FL
Statement: http://www.orlandodiocese.org/who_we_are/bishop_wenski/columns/200904_und.php
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042003.html

Archbishop Donald Wuerl - Washington, D.C.
Statement: http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/godingovernment/2009/04/dc_archbishop...
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042709.html

Bishop David Zubick - Pittsburgh, PA
Statement: http://www.pittsburghcatholic.org/newsarticles_more.phtml?id=2466
LSN: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/apr/09042302.html%20

For a list of contact information regarding the Notre Dame scandal, go to: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09032706.html


11 posted on 05/08/2009 7:25:11 AM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: FES0844

Welcome Home!


12 posted on 05/08/2009 7:25:39 AM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer
He's a great apologist and catechist — he's probably right, he wouldn't be a good pastor, but (if I had to compare him to one of the first apostles) it would be St. Paul. Father Groeschel would probably be my vision of St. Peter.

I never thought I would say this, but here it is for what it's worth.

I DO NOT, NOR WILL I EVER, support abortion except as the last possible choice for the life of the mother. Having said that, the President is correct. It is an ethical and moral matter. It is the DUTY of the government to make certain that if abortion is offered (in my belief, under my criteria outlined above), that it is available, safe and legal. It is the DUTY of ALL men and women of faith (and those of us in Christ) to make certain that no one, other than a mother whose life may slip away, has need of one or the desire to obtain one.

Nothing will be solved until we do our jobs to educate and proselytize those over whom we have influence. You cannot legislate a change of heart. Moses found that out 5,000 years ago. So, it means we can only influence those with whom we share this road to salvation. Therefore, the Catholic Church has the right to defend itself from this assault on its values by shunning it. It means that we need to make certain this subject is taught and lived within our own lives. All life is precious. Treat it as such.

13 posted on 05/08/2009 7:27:32 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Salvation; diamond6

Thanks, but I’m not there yet. I’m still wandering in the desert.
Yes, his conversion is amazing...God’s grace.


14 posted on 05/08/2009 7:34:46 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
"It is the DUTY of the government to make certain that if abortion is offered (in my belief, under my criteria outlined above), that it is available, safe and legal."

Oh come on! There is nothing in the Constitution of the United States that says anything about abortion.

15 posted on 05/08/2009 7:35:12 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: NYer

I truly believe we are looking at a living saint. The man has made such an impact on so many lives. I’m so glad he is better!


16 posted on 05/08/2009 7:40:33 AM PDT by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

There’s a subtle, but important distinction from having an abortion for the sake of the mother’s life, and saving the mother’s life by surgery in which the fetus dies as a result.

Take, for example, an ectopic pregnancy, when a fetus is implanted in the fallopian tube wall. Obviously, the baby can’t grow to maturity there and doing so poses a real threat to the mother’s life. If surgery is performed, the natural course to save the mother’s life is the removal of that particular fallopian tube. The embryo dying as a result is an unfortunate consequence, but not the INTENT of the action.

Abortion, per se, is the intentional killing of the infant. Surgery with the unwanted, but unavoidable death of the fetus in order to save a mother’s life is a different thing.

Also, your idea about removing the need for abortions is fine, but since the act itself destroys the life of an innocent human, it needs to be illegal, full stop.


17 posted on 05/08/2009 7:44:19 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: NYer
His constant and unwavering support for the right to choose the homicide of abortion is a matter of record—and not only abortion, but partial-birth abortion, infanticide, fetal stem cell research, and even removing the right of medical professionals to act in accordance with their conscience marks him as a singular enemy of essential elements of the Catholic Church’s moral teaching.

Well said. Heartbreaking, but well said.

18 posted on 05/08/2009 7:58:42 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me knowr)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
You cannot legislate a change of heart.

That's why we should legalize drunk driving, robbery, murder, prostitution, and every other vice. There's no sense in criminalizing any evil until people have a change of heart.

19 posted on 05/08/2009 8:00:59 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me knowr)
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To: Aquinasfan

What I’m trying to say is we are not going to change the law, apparently. The opposition’s heart is set. Until we, as the body of Christ, change the hearts and minds of the opposition or raise up a generation strong in our beliefs, the unbelievers will have to die out in the wilderness. If we can prevent a mother by our support, her conversion, and from needing to choose that course, our chances of success are greater.

Well, if it is offered, it must be safe. I am tired of trying to keep the lemmings from falling off the cliff into the sea. It is still legal to choose not to participate — that’s what I’m hoping to protect. If we cannot provide a refuge, then we are lost.


20 posted on 05/08/2009 8:23:14 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: jjm2111

As I said, my belief and it is UNCHANGEABLE is that it only be done when the life of the mother is at risk, regardless of which technique is used.

When my son and his intended were seriously discussing marriage, that’s the first thing my husband and I made plain to both of them. We are PRO-LIFE and we expect YOU TWO to be open to it (no struggle or opposition ensued) to include an unplanned visit from the stork. Abortion is OFF the table — not an option. I can still remember their faces — so young, so beautiful and their golden heads just nodded.


21 posted on 05/08/2009 8:30:06 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: NYer
Excellent statement by Father Corapi. Not unexpected, of course. God bless him!

I have a new idea for what those ND grads and their families who object to this should do. Don't walk out. Don't turn your back. Instead, begin praying the rosary LOUDLY all together as soon as Obama is announced and don't stop until you're finished. The Sorrowful Mysteries, of course.

If Obama is still rambling when you're done, begin the Chaplet of Divine Mercy.
22 posted on 05/08/2009 9:10:23 AM PDT by Antoninus (Now accepting apologies from repentant Mittens.)
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To: Antoninus
Absolutely! That's the way. No more fighting, no more exchanges. Pray incessantly.
23 posted on 05/08/2009 9:22:20 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Antoninus

Your suggestion is EXACTLY what our Catholic brothers and sisters in my sphere of influence are suggesting. Kneel and pray — not loudly — do not shout him or others down, just kneel and pray. It sends a message louder than anything you could shout.


24 posted on 05/08/2009 9:24:37 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
Your suggestion is EXACTLY what our Catholic brothers and sisters in my sphere of influence are suggesting. Kneel and pray — not loudly — do not shout him or others down, just kneel and pray. It sends a message louder than anything you could shout.

I sent the idea to Mrs. Don-o who is one of the point-people working on this.
25 posted on 05/08/2009 9:32:55 AM PDT by Antoninus (Now accepting apologies from repentant Mittens.)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
What I’m trying to say is we are not going to change the law, apparently. The opposition’s heart is set. Until we, as the body of Christ, change the hearts and minds of the opposition or raise up a generation strong in our beliefs, the unbelievers will have to die out in the wilderness.

That's true, but the law can be a teacher, too. Most importantly, we have to defend the lives of the unborn with whatever morally licit means are available, including the law.

26 posted on 05/08/2009 9:37:09 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me knowr)
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To: NYer

Why is it that he gets it but the president of ND remains clueless???


27 posted on 05/08/2009 9:38:05 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Antoninus; Constitutions Grandchild; Mrs. Don-o
I sent the idea to Mrs. Don-o who is one of the point-people working on this.

For those of us who can't be there, it's important to set some time aside each day, in prayerful support of this cause.

28 posted on 05/08/2009 9:54:10 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

I do, believe me, I do.


29 posted on 05/08/2009 9:57:11 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Because there are those who believe that by continuing to dialog, we can put off the forcing of our Christian Institutions to knuckle under or close. So far, the “conscience clause” of FOCA is not a top priority. I guess Father Jenkins thinks he can reason with the opposition. We'll see who's right —Archbishop Burke or Father Jenkins.
30 posted on 05/08/2009 10:01:50 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
He's a great apologist and catechist — he's probably right, he wouldn't be a good pastor, but (if I had to compare him to one of the first apostles) it would be St. Paul. Father Groeschel would probably be my vision of St. Peter.

Interesting! Have you ever read Taylor Caldwell's book: Great Lion of God?

31 posted on 05/08/2009 10:03:39 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: Aquinasfan
That's where Catholic Charities and we come in. Look, folks, the Church isn't being unreasonable. All it asks is that we respect life — our own and others’. It asks that dignity of tenderness of feeling and openess to life is the heart of our vocation on earth. We begin, like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz, at the tippy-tippy start of the yellow brick road and follow it.

If we do it right, we pick up friends along the way. Catholics have such a rich tapestry and depth of spirituality, we should, of all creatures, be filled with joy. We should be fearless, but most of all we should be open armed and hearted. To comfort and entice those around us to join us on the road of life. THAT'S HOW YOU DO IT. By comparison, every other way of life should look like a road apple [that is, quite frankly, the nicest way I could think to say it].

32 posted on 05/08/2009 10:12:06 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: NYer

Geez, I read her insatiably as a late teenager, but I don’t remember that one. I remember Costain’s “Dear and Glorious Physician”. I’m going up to the library next week and see if they have it. I might remember it if I get into it.

This weekend son graduates from college tomorrow, and I have 11 people in for breakfast, lunch and dinner on Saturday, plus I have two Marines’ pets I’m babysitting for the weekend. They were both called out of town — one for recruitment weekend duties and the other to meet his intended’s parents for the first time. So, how could I refuse. ;-) Son leaves for OCS at Quantico at the end of the month, so this is our last hurrah for ten weeks.

We’re bbq-ing after the ceremonies at the Muny all morning and early afternoon. It’s raining cats and dogs, thundering and lightning like crazy today. Everybody on the thread, please say a prayer for a beautiful day tomorrow or 11 people and four dogs are going to be soaking wet from sun-up to sundown. But next week, I’m available to read, heh, heh, heh.


33 posted on 05/08/2009 11:00:58 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: NYer

Caldwell wrote “Dear and Glorious Physician,” I thought it was Costain. Oh, and “Captains and Kings” was the first book of hers I read. So, what did I read by Costain (he was another of my F A V O R I T E authors).

For my 17th Birthday, my mother gave me Caldwell’s “The Listener”. It’s a treasure to me because 1) it was my 17th birthday, 2) my mother’s inscription is in her very unique handwriting; and C) ;-) I loved Caldwell.


34 posted on 05/08/2009 11:09:23 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
For my 17th Birthday, my mother gave me Caldwell’s “The Listener”.

That is one of my favorites!!! There are 2 editions - one with that title and another entitled "He who Listens", published in Great Britain. One of her most intriguing books was Dialogues With the Devil , which is often difficult to find. It is a debate between the Archangel Michael and Lucifer about the planet Earth.

—"Childish raptures! said Lucifer, with scorn, his eyes flashing like lightning. "Are we indeed whimpering and craven children, or slaves? Can we be content with toys and little deliciousnesses? Are we not mind, as well as emotion? And is not the mind, of both angel and man, the noblest of possessions, and worth exercising. It is in our minds that we approach the closest of Him, Who is all Mind. Mind is the creator of all philosophy, all order, all beauty, all satisfaction, but emotion is the lowliest of the virtues, if it is a virtue at all. Mind has in it the capacity to know all things, or, at least, the minds of angels."

In her introduction, Ms. Caldwell states that she takes no credit for this book. Well worth the search; it's a treasure.

Her book Pillar of Iron which takes place in Roman times, was brilliant. In fact, I feel as though I were living it in today's society.

35 posted on 05/08/2009 11:36:51 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer; All
These are not trifling words:
No president in history has been so damaging to the cause of respect for life than this one...a singular enemy of essential elements of the Catholic Church’s moral teaching.

36 posted on 05/08/2009 12:24:34 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: NYer

You have no idea how alone I thought I was in my love of Caldwell. Seemed no one I’d met had ever heard of her or read her. I gave up thinking about it. You’re the second person on Free Republic in the last year who has loved her work as I do. Wow! Just wow!


37 posted on 05/08/2009 12:43:28 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
Kneel and pray — not loudly — do not shout him or others down, just kneel and pray. It sends a message louder than anything you could shout.

I love it. I hope this happens. Though I can just imagine the MSM reporting.

"Graduating seniors demonstration their devotion to President Obama by kneeling before him as they receive his wisdom."

38 posted on 05/08/2009 1:28:26 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
Well, if it is offered, it must be safe.

Well, if there's enough support for it, why don't we offer it -- and make it SAFE -- right up through age 18? We can call it "termination of parenthood" and have "termination centers" where unwanted offspring can be painlessly dispatched by lethal injection or nitrogen asphyxiation.

After all, teenagers are almost as inconvenient and troublesome as babies, and a lot more expensive.

You seem to think abortion is icky. The Catholic Church teaches that abortion is not merely icky ... it's murder.

39 posted on 05/08/2009 2:38:20 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
One more thing. God is not mocked. A cursory reading of the Old Testament shows that the murder of children is one of the sins that truly infuriates him.

Ever heard of the "Ten Lost Tribes of Israel"? Know why they're the Ten Lost Tribes? Because they split off, politically, from the rest, and began to embrace Canaanite idolatry. One of the major parts of Canaanite idolatry was the sacrifice of babies to the god Molech.

Their punishment was to be conquered by the Assyrians. When the Assyrians conquered a nation, they destroyed it utterly. Those whom they didn't kill, they removed physically to the furthest part of their empire. The intermarried with the remnant to destroy any consciousness of nationhood within a century or two.

What kind of punishment do you think God has planned for America? It's started already, you know. Once, we were rich, free, powerful, industrious, and respected.

Our destiny is to be poor, enslaved, powerless, unemployed, and in thrall to foreigners. That's what keeping abortion "safe and legal" will do to a nation.

Ichabod. The glory has departed.

40 posted on 05/08/2009 2:45:22 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
You’re the second person on Free Republic in the last year who has loved her work as I do.

:-) Over the years, I have met several other freepers who share this love for the works of TC. One question that always plagued many was how she could so clearly depict the periods she described, with such vibrancy. She had a gift to transport the reader back in time - somewhat like that tv program "You are There". How could she have know these minute details about building construction, dress codes, personalities, attitudes? 30 years ago, I came across a book entitled: Search for a Soul - the Psychic Lives of Taylor Caldwell. The author, Jess Stearn, persuaded Ms. Caldwell to submit to hypnosis. (Okay - this was during one of my youthful, away from the Church phases of life when I would read anything that offered an explanation for the inexplicable). TC had often commented that when she wrote, there was a 'presence'. And when the 'presence' was missing, she could not write. According to the information generated by these sessions, Ms. Caldwell would not die until she had written the final book on the life of Christ. I waited and waited and then, the news announcement of her death came. I wondered for months afterwards when someone would discover this "incomplete work", but there were no other manuscripts. Then I met a Franciscan monk who was her confessor. He was not aware of any such work either. Can you imagine how TC would have dealt with our Lord's life!!!

From what I understand, Taylor Caldwell's books are very popular with the home schooling crowd. The book I mentioned, "Dialogues with the Devil" can be found on Amazon.com for a hefty price. For any Taylor Caldwell fan, it is a veritable treasure!

41 posted on 05/08/2009 3:54:13 PM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: FES0844
Here is a link to some very good cds and tapes including Fr. Corapi’s testimony. It is really great as are the other cds and tapes. They ask a small donation but they are worth it.

https://secure.catholicity.com/cds/

hope you order and enjoy...

42 posted on 05/08/2009 6:38:56 PM PDT by Eternally-Optimistic (anything is possible)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

I remember The Listener and have been thinking of it lately. Of course up here in Kanukistan you cannot find religious books (except The God Delusion and God is Not Great, of course). Our library does not have a single solitary book by C.S. Lewis, not even the Narnia books. When I asked them to order A Grief Observed from another library I got the Cliffs Notes! A search by the librarian proved that every copy they used to have in any library was missing.

I went across the street to the bookstore (we have only one chain store in the GTA) and was told that they could not order books by C.S. Lewis. My sister popped into Borders in Florida and picked up a copy for me.

So chances of finding anything by Taylor Caldwell in Kanukistan are slim, unless someone from the States might have donated it to a used bookstore.


43 posted on 05/10/2009 5:10:58 AM PDT by Appleby
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To: Campion
Icky? You have managed to read a lot less into my post than I intended. Husband will be up at Notre Dame on the 15th, since he's semi-retired. I will be at work praying and at home praying. Our family is pro-life from the tippy-tippy top to the tippy-tippy bottom.

Yeah, I'm 100 percent behind termination of parenthood — we used to call it adoption.

44 posted on 05/11/2009 10:14:13 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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