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Pope prays at Jordanian mosque
UPI ^ | May 9, 2009 | UPI

Posted on 05/09/2009 4:08:27 PM PDT by americanophile

AMMAN, Jordan, May 9 (UPI) -- Pope Benedict XVI prayed Saturday at the King Hussein Mosque in the Jordanian capital Amman, Vatican officials said.

The trip to the mosque, the largest in Jordan, marked the second day of the pope's visit to the Middle East, the BBC reported.

Afterwards, Benedict addressed local Muslim leaders, observers said. Earlier in the day he visited Mount Nebo, which, according to the Bible, is where Moses saw the Promised Land before he died.

Vatican analysts said the pope is anxious to mend relations with Muslims and Jews on his eight-day sojourn to Israel and the West Bank, his first to the region as pontiff.

On Sunday, he is scheduled to celebrate an open-air mass at Wadi Kharrar on the east bank of the River Jordan -- the place where Christians believe Jesus was baptized. The next day, Benedict will go to Tel Aviv to begin four days in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories, the BBC reported.


TOPICS: Prayer; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: b16; benedictxvi; catholic; cult; ecumenism; jordan; mosque; pope; prayer
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So the Pope's gone Dhimmi too? Someone please explain this to me!!!
1 posted on 05/09/2009 4:08:28 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: americanophile

Uh no. He didn’t pray a Muslim prayer.


2 posted on 05/09/2009 4:10:11 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480
...what's he doing saying any prayers in a Mosque?
3 posted on 05/09/2009 4:11:58 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: americanophile
"the first stop on his eight-day Holy Land pilgrimage. He told King Abdullah II upon his arrival in Amman that he has "deep respect" for Islam, and on Saturday he was welcomed in the country's largest mosque"
4 posted on 05/09/2009 4:20:18 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: americanophile

He’s also visited a Catholic Church and Catholic Disability Center. He’ll also be visiting a Synagogue. You expect him to snub Muslims by not visiting a Mosque? Please keep in mind that he has flock there who are vulnerable to the whim of Islam.


5 posted on 05/09/2009 4:20:23 PM PDT by chase19
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To: americanophile
I'm afraid he's ushering in the AntiChrist.

There is no reason nor sense in any worship of a Catholic in a mosque as a Muslim would not worship in a church.

The two are anathema to each other.

6 posted on 05/09/2009 4:20:52 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: americanophile

Paraphrasing Mrs. Thatcher: Don’t go wobbly on us, Benedict.


7 posted on 05/09/2009 4:21:48 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Actually, it all started back in Mayberry. Helen Crump was a traveler and Floyd, well, you know...)
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To: chase19

...it’s one thing to visit a mosque, like a tourist, it’s quite another for the head of the Catholic Church to be offering prayers there!!


8 posted on 05/09/2009 4:22:48 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: WorkingClassFilth

I like it.


9 posted on 05/09/2009 4:23:16 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: americanophile

Who said he offered prayers there...?


10 posted on 05/09/2009 4:25:04 PM PDT by chase19
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To: americanophile
...what's he doing saying any prayers in a Mosque?

Yeah, because EVERYONE KNOWS that God doesn't hear prayers in mosques or temples (Buddhist, Jewish, or Mormon), and definitely doesn't hear prayers in the athiest streets of Hollywood...

/sarc

11 posted on 05/09/2009 4:25:29 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: americanophile

The Lord’s Prayer on his lips to save the heathens among him.


12 posted on 05/09/2009 4:25:46 PM PDT by cameraeye (We are the saviors of the Republic!)
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To: americanophile

Yes, I’m ok with it too. Maybe a prayer to the Christian God will cast a little light in that dark place and push the darkness back.


13 posted on 05/09/2009 4:26:13 PM PDT by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
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To: chase19

...that’s the whole point of the article.


14 posted on 05/09/2009 4:26:17 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

I’m not concerned about whether or how God hears the prayer, I’m concerned about the message it sends when a pope prays in a mosque. Surely you can understand that to the eyes of the average Muslim observer, one can’t help but see it as the Pope praying to Allah.


15 posted on 05/09/2009 4:28:12 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: bboop

...you go to a mosque to pray to Allah, not the God of the Bible.


16 posted on 05/09/2009 4:29:19 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: americanophile

Yes! I mean, how dare the Apostle Paul also preach at the Temple of Artemis, and Jesus Christ teach and preach in a Jewish temple! Don’t they realize that Christians can only pray and preach at churches?


17 posted on 05/09/2009 4:31:50 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: americanophile

People can pray ANYWHERE, at any time. I don’t think there’s much danger that B XVI has turned coat on us Catholics. I’m sure it was a simple, “God bless these poor benghted lost folks and have mercy on their souls” kind of thing.


18 posted on 05/09/2009 4:33:40 PM PDT by redhead (REMEMBER DAN'S BAKE SALE!!!)
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To: americanophile

“Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi said the pope did not pray during his visit to the mosque but did stop in a “respectful moment of reflection.” He was not asked to take his shoes off when he entered the mosque, which is customary for Muslims, said Lombardi.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090509/ap_on_re_mi_ea/pope_mideast

You either believe a reporter from UPI or you believe the Vatican spokesman. Which is it?


19 posted on 05/09/2009 4:33:44 PM PDT by chase19
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To: americanophile

And in the eyes of a Christian observer, I see the Pope praying for the awakening of the souls of all Muslims...

I for one believe that prayers should be said continually without ceasing - does that make me wrong when I pray when I am in a Buddhist temple, here in Shanghai? Does that make me wrong when I prayed at my Jewish friend’s wedding at his synagogue?


20 posted on 05/09/2009 4:33:59 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
I wouldn't have a problem if the Pope preached the Gospel there...praying there is another issue. Imagine Moses praying before the Golden Calf.
21 posted on 05/09/2009 4:35:04 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

...are you the Pope?


22 posted on 05/09/2009 4:35:46 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: chase19
I'm very happy to hear this!
23 posted on 05/09/2009 4:38:39 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: redhead
It would have been extremely inappropriate for the Pope, in my opinion, to have prayed in a mosque...and it seems as though the Vatican agrees since they've now issued a statement saying he did not pray there. Symbolism matters. If Obama prayed in a mosque, we wouldn't say 'people can pray anywhere,' believe me!
24 posted on 05/09/2009 4:42:23 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: americanophile

No. Are you?


25 posted on 05/09/2009 4:43:28 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: americanophile

Refrain from all appearance of evil


26 posted on 05/09/2009 4:44:35 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

...no, but then neither I or the Pope apparently pray to our God in houses of worship dedicated to other ‘gods.’


27 posted on 05/09/2009 4:44:43 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: americanophile

The Vatican didn’t issue a special statement. This is just another news story like the one you posted except this one was from Yahoo via AP. I can see why you were taken in though - it’s easy to be manipulated by the media.


28 posted on 05/09/2009 4:50:53 PM PDT by chase19
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To: americanophile

So I’ll await your condemnation of the Apostle Paul for preaching and praying at the Temple of Artemis.


29 posted on 05/09/2009 4:53:07 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: chase19

...well, it may not be a ‘special statement’ but I’ll regard it as an important clarification from a Vatican spokesman. Symbolism matters.


30 posted on 05/09/2009 4:54:43 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: chase19

This is from the Catholic News Service:

“Visiting mosque, pope says believing in God means respecting others

By Cindy Wooden
Catholic News Service

AMMAN, Jordan (CNS) — To believe in God is to pray, to be merciful and compassionate, to witness to the truth and to uphold the dignity of every person, Pope Benedict XVI said after visiting a monumental new mosque in Amman.

Acknowledging that much of the history of Christian-Muslim relations has been marked by misunderstanding and tension, the pope said it is faith that calls members of both communities to respect each other and join together to promote the common good.
(full story)

http://www.catholicnews.com/

Of course, some will continue to damn the Pontiff rather than read the truth.


31 posted on 05/09/2009 4:58:58 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Those embryos are little humans in progress. Using them for profit is slavery.)
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...oh I think you know the difference between preaching the Gospel to win converts, versus respectfully entering a temple of another religion, praying, and then leaving. I wouldn't fly the communist Chinese flag on my webpage even if I was in China, but that doesn't seem to bother you either. I guess we just have different understandings of symbolism. I think for the head of the Catholic church to pray in a house of worship dedicated to Allah would have been inappropriate, and I'm glad to see that the Vatican has corrected the record.
32 posted on 05/09/2009 4:59:27 PM PDT by americanophile
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The whole story.

I choose not to live my life constrained by fear of what others may think of me; I live my life as God expects, and as best provides for my family. That others live to satisfy men is truly sad.

33 posted on 05/09/2009 5:03:36 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

...well I wish you the best then.


34 posted on 05/09/2009 5:08:55 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: americanophile

The Pope is just a man.Just as sinful as any other man or woman and condemned without the blood of Jesus.


35 posted on 05/09/2009 5:17:40 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: philetus

A man he is, but also a symbol.


36 posted on 05/09/2009 5:18:39 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: americanophile

You got a deceptive headline and ran with it without double-checking. An easy mistake but please don’t try and weasel out by now saying the Vatican “corrected the record” because that simply isn’t true. Your UPI article omitted the full story - see - OPUSFR’s link or read mine. There are also lots more on the net and none of them say he “prayed” there except the one you chose to post.

Here’s lots of news stories about the Pope’s visit to the Mosque and not one of them said he prayed their...:
http://ixquick.com/do/metasearch.pl?query=pope+prays+at+mosque+in+jordan&cat=web&pl=ff&language=english


37 posted on 05/09/2009 5:24:26 PM PDT by chase19
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To: americanophile

The “symbol” part is why he will walk out of the mosque alive.


38 posted on 05/09/2009 5:25:59 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: americanophile

You too!


39 posted on 05/09/2009 5:26:12 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: philetus
The Pope is just a man.Just as sinful as any other man or woman and condemned without the blood of Jesus.

There is no one here saying otherwise. He knows quite well about the Blood of Jesus because he spends every day with it.

40 posted on 05/09/2009 5:26:40 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

Uh, do you suppose he heard the “prayers” of the 19 flying the planes into the buildings?


41 posted on 05/09/2009 5:30:34 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: chase19

Wrong, officer. I read and posted a news story from a well-known news source. I did run with anything. They reported him as praying there. Yes, I relied on their story, since I wasn’t there. Yes, it turned out to be incorrect according to the Vatican. The story you posted published after the one I posted, so I consider the Vatican spokesman’s purposeful mention that the Pope didn’t pray there as a correction of an existing impression held by at least one significant news source.


42 posted on 05/09/2009 5:46:08 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: BereanBrain

Is God all-knowing? If so, then he heard the “prayers” but did not answer them. Just as he heard the “prayers” of the Jews worshiping the golden calf.


43 posted on 05/09/2009 5:48:53 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

The question at hand is not can an omnipotent God have heard a prayer, but rather who were they praying to?

What/Who do you pray to, when asking for success in terror, and suicide?


44 posted on 05/09/2009 6:00:32 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain

Oh, I’m sorry, I thought you asked if God heard their prayers.

Whatever the hijackers were praying to, I doubt those not present (like other hijackers or hostages) heard. But I do not doubt that God heard them!


45 posted on 05/09/2009 6:05:40 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: americanophile

From your article:

“AMMAN, Jordan, May 9 (UPI) —
“Pope Benedict XVI prayed Saturday at the King Hussein Mosque in the Jordanian capital Amman, Vatican officials said.”

Now here’s the true report from the same Vatican spokesman - he obviously got the question - did the Pope pray in the mosque:

Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi, Vatican spokesman, told reporters in Amman, “It would not be precise to say the pope prayed in the mosque (today), but it would be right to say he paused in respectful meditation in a place where numerous people also pray and meditate before God.”
From OPUSFR link: http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0902139.htm

All the other news outlets heard the Vatican spokesman correctly but for your UPI article. How come one might wonder. A good headline with which to beat the Pope and his flock?


46 posted on 05/09/2009 6:17:18 PM PDT by chase19
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A good headline with which to beat the Pope and his flock? Perhaps...although I think the Left would applaud such a move. I'm happy it didn't happen, and regret the misunderstanding.
47 posted on 05/09/2009 6:20:21 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: americanophile

No problem americanophile. I’ve been caught in the same trap myself a few times. The upside is that the UPI has egg on their face, not that they or any of them, care anymore.


48 posted on 05/09/2009 6:33:50 PM PDT by chase19
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To: OpusatFR

Sorry, I just realized I gave you a new name by calling you OPUSFR.


49 posted on 05/09/2009 6:53:34 PM PDT by chase19
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

“Does that make me wrong when I pray when I am in a Buddhist temple, here in Shanghai?

Does that make me wrong when I prayed at my Jewish friend’s wedding at his synagogue?”

No, God is everywhere, not just in a church. I am Roman Catholic and I have prayed in Protestant churches. If I was in a synagogue, I would pray there as well.


50 posted on 05/09/2009 7:13:27 PM PDT by dominic flandry
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