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Couple: County Trying To Stop Home Bible Studies
10News.com. ^ | May 28, 2009

Posted on 05/28/2009 9:03:23 PM PDT by restornu

SAN DIEGO -- A local pastor and his wife claim they were interrogated by a San Diego County official, who then threatened them with escalating fines if they continued to hold Bible studies in their home, 10News reported.

Attorney Dean Broyles of The Western Center For Law & Policy was shocked with what happened to the pastor and his wife.

Broyles said, "The county asked, 'Do you have a regular meeting in your home?' She said, 'Yes.' 'Do you say amen?' 'Yes.' 'Do you pray?' 'Yes.' 'Do you say praise the Lord?' 'Yes.'"

The county employee notified the couple that the small Bible study, with an average of 15 people attending, was in violation of County regulations, according to Broyles.

Broyles said a few days later the couple received a written warning that listed "unlawful use of land" and told them to "stop religious assembly or apply for a major use permit" -- a process that could cost tens of thousands of dollars.

"For churches and religious assemblies there's big parking concerns, there's environmental impact concerns when you have hundreds or thousands of people gathering. But this is a different situation, and we believe that the application of the religious assembly principles to this Bible study is certainly misplaced," said Broyles.

News of the case has rapidly spread across Internet blogs and has spurred various reactions.

Broyles said his clients have asked to stay anonymous until they give the county a demand letter that states by enforcing this regulation the county is violating their First Amendment right to freely exercise their religion.

Broyles also said this case has broader implications.

"If the county thinks they can shut down groups of 10 or 15 Christians meeting in a home, what about people who meet regularly at home for poker night? What about people who meet for Tupperware parties? What about people who are meeting to watch baseball games on a regular basis and support the Chargers?" Broyles asked.

Broyles and his clients plan to give the County their demand letter this week.

If the County refuses to release the pastor and his wife from obtaining the permit, they will consider a lawsuit in federal court.


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Prayer
KEYWORDS: biblestudy
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1 posted on 05/28/2009 9:03:23 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu

Now this is a disturbing story. I have been very critical of the Church for its history of refusing to confront modern liberalism and for its complacency regarding the culture war. perhaps episodes like this will light a fire under the Church and inspire Christians to be more active in this culture war.


2 posted on 05/28/2009 9:08:02 PM PDT by EAGLE7 (They MAY take our lives but they'll never take our freedom!)
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To: restornu

Is there not a guaranteed right to peaceful public assembly? Let a lone private assembly in the constitution?


3 posted on 05/28/2009 9:09:32 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: EAGLE7

What the deal is, Is Ca is BROKE and they are looking to any means of revenue. Rights be damned


4 posted on 05/28/2009 9:11:00 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: restornu

Gulp - We do this, altho in LA, not SD. So did the authorities find out? Ours are with family and a few friends.


5 posted on 05/28/2009 9:12:09 PM PDT by uscabjd ( a)
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To: uscabjd

Sorry - should be “how did the authorities find out”?


6 posted on 05/28/2009 9:13:16 PM PDT by uscabjd ( a)
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To: restornu

Wow.

I have family in California, but it’s really becoming a toilet, isn’t it?

Can they continue to have the meetings and simply not talk to police?


7 posted on 05/28/2009 9:14:02 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (doubleplusungood)
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To: uscabjd

The local brown shirts.

In Riverside Co they are so broke the cops are going door to door looking for zoning violations


8 posted on 05/28/2009 9:15:48 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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Nanny Pelosi said today that we “must have a complete inventory of or lives in order to save the planet from global warming”

This is code speak to say “Ve Vill Monitor ALL! Und levy tax acoordingly!


9 posted on 05/28/2009 9:21:23 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
“What the deal is, Is Ca is BROKE and they are looking to any means of revenue. Rights be damned”

If revenue is the only reason, it's foolish. This is a blatant violation of their 1st Amendment rights and CA stands to lose a lot more money through a lawsuit then it would gain.
I suspect a more sinister motive.

10 posted on 05/28/2009 9:21:27 PM PDT by EAGLE7 (They MAY take our lives but they'll never take our freedom!)
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To: EAGLE7

The motives are linked.

Everything is urgent now! There is no time to think.

Seriously, The Local and fed gov are looking for thing to tax.

Seat belt off in a 25 zone? $250! no questions asked.


11 posted on 05/28/2009 9:25:14 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: restornu

I happen to read the scroller on FoxNews I don’t think any one heard it on their media outlets

Bet a lot of things are going on with our rights that we don’t know about.

When did that come from unlawful use of land?


12 posted on 05/28/2009 9:25:33 PM PDT by restornu (If a man has the potential become a Devil, has he not the same potential to be come like his Lord?)
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To: restornu

Their mistake was agreeing to speak with the civil service putz without an attorney and a warrant.


13 posted on 05/28/2009 9:25:55 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: EAGLE7

They dont care about rights. They are looking for revenue.


14 posted on 05/28/2009 9:26:08 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: All

Here in Tx it costs you a packet to drive in a 25 MPH without a seat belt, as an Adult..Alone.. Bicycles are whizzing by, and your getting a ticket! Illegal aliens have kids in the back of pick ups on the highway at 75 mph and thats cool.

These people are just pumping people of means for cash


15 posted on 05/28/2009 9:31:53 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: restornu

Unless they are collecting money, I don’t see how they could possibly claim this falls under zoning regulations as a church. I hopw they sue not the county but the officials personally. Put the fear of God into these petty tyrants, so to speak.


16 posted on 05/28/2009 9:39:26 PM PDT by Hugin (GSA! (Goodbye sweet America))
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To: restornu

I think some of the problems are the various cars taking up parking spaces vs the people who live around this home wanting to park their cars. Also one of the cars from the study hit a car of one of the residents.

Not saying the study group does not have a right to gather but may be two sides to this.


17 posted on 05/28/2009 9:41:28 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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Keep an Eye on Unlawful Use of Land
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2260320/posts?page=1

After reading this article I was just wondering if this is what in store for us?

So I Google “unlawful use of land”

Couple: County Trying To Stop Home Bible Studies
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2260295/posts
Broyles said a few days later the couple received a written warning that listed “unlawful use of land” and told them to “stop religious assembly or apply for a major use permit” — a process that could cost tens of thousands of dollars.

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18 posted on 05/28/2009 9:51:41 PM PDT by restornu (If a man has the potential become a Devil, has he not the same potential to be come like his Lord?)
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To: mylife

either there is something missing or we are further gone than even i can imagine.
I am hoping for the former.


19 posted on 05/28/2009 9:57:53 PM PDT by genghis
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To: genghis

People are voting convenience over liberty. and they dont see the trap of turning in a citizen for revenue


20 posted on 05/28/2009 10:01:32 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: restornu

this has been posted several times and it’s disturbing every time.

Totalitarians like Firefly hate religion because it propagates the idea that there is something greater than them.


21 posted on 05/28/2009 10:17:47 PM PDT by TBP
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To: TBP

Some claim it is parking but if that were the case one would give out parking tickets!

or car pool to cut down on traffic.

They seem to have a lot of land so parking should not be that much of a problem.

Bible reading should not be unlawful use of law.


22 posted on 05/28/2009 10:35:23 PM PDT by restornu (If a man has the potential become a Devil, has he not the same potential to be come like his Lord?)
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To: Hugin
I hopw they sue not the county but the officials personally. Put the fear of God into these petty tyrants, so to speak.

Don't worry, the ACLU will sue the officials on behalf of these white, Christian, conservative citizens for violation of constitutional rights. Won't they?

23 posted on 05/29/2009 12:39:03 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Obama's multi- trillion dollar agenda would be a "man caused disaster")
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; mylife; Winstons Julia; TBP; Hugin

Keep an Eye on “Unlawful Use of Land” what China has is it come to America since they hold our debt?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2260295/posts?page=18#18


24 posted on 05/29/2009 5:31:34 AM PDT by restornu (If a man has the potential become a Devil, has he not the same potential to be come like his Lord?)
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To: EAGLE7

Nothing surprises me any more. I think we are going to see more and more of things like this going on. A shame it is happening.
Toby


25 posted on 05/29/2009 5:38:54 AM PDT by gulfcoast6
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To: mylife
My career was in law enforcement, police ‘road agent’ and Chief of Police and this is a sad day when a officer is forced to ‘collector of money’ for a city which often justs uks it away on silly things.
Toby
26 posted on 05/29/2009 5:46:16 AM PDT by gulfcoast6
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To: gulfcoast6

It seems to be becoming the norm.


27 posted on 05/29/2009 5:48:15 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: restornu

Obama-bots will be loading Christians into cattle cars as soon as they have the power to do it.


28 posted on 05/29/2009 6:52:05 AM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: mylife
What the deal is, Is Ca is BROKE and they are looking to any means of revenue. Rights be damned

They probably see a Bible study group as a juicy target. Christian work ethics mean they probably have jobs, which means they'll have money.

29 posted on 05/29/2009 6:56:02 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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They need to hold their prayer sessions at the San Diego County offices.

.

30 posted on 05/29/2009 12:43:51 PM PDT by polymuser ("We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!" (HRC))
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To: gulfcoast6
What purpose is an unmarked car on the road, besides to be revenue enhancement? If cops REALLY wanted to slow people, a marked car pacing the highway, or openly visible would have more affect. A cop writing a ticket slows cars until cars are about 200 yds past, then they go back the way they were.

Writing tickets isn't about serving and protecting, its about revenue enhancement. And with that mentality displayed, why are cops surprised when people don't respect the person or the position?

As far as the article itself,

Broyles said, "The county asked, 'Do you have a regular meeting in your home?' She said, 'Yes.' 'Do you say amen?' 'Yes.' 'Do you pray?' 'Yes.' 'Do you say praise the Lord?' 'Yes.'"

People are trying to argue a parking issue. Thats just an EXCUSE. If it were really about parking the previous questions NEVER would have been asked.

31 posted on 05/29/2009 6:59:03 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: restornu
Two words: Civil disobedience.

Then fight it in the courts, and take it all the way to the SCOTUS if necessary. Obviously this is a First Amendment issue.

Lots of people will be willing to donate time, money and expertise to the defense. No sweat.
32 posted on 05/30/2009 2:29:34 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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