Sympathy for the Devil: Obama and the University of ND

The Latin Mass Network ^ | 5/17/09 | The Latin Mass Network

[bdeaner]

I am just learning of the connection between Hesburgh and the Rockefeller Society. Wow, I had no idea of the link. Scary.

[jessduntno]

[Desdemona]

...Fr. Theodore Hesburgh, Notre Dame's president, who offered Notre Dame's campus as the venue for the conference, provided it was funded by a foundation grant. Rockefeller agreed to the funding on condition that only Catholics who believed as Rockefeller did were to be invited, a condition to which Notre Dame brass readily agreed. Notre Dame went further, arranging that the conference be unpublicized to avoid opposition from the bishop and loyal Catholics.

Uh-huh. Cash. Cold-hard cash. Why is this not shocking. Rockefeller tried more ways than not for decades to get the Church to change the teaching. Pope Pius IX wrote a whole encyclical in response. Just remember, public relations was invented to make the Rockefellers look good. Disguising evil is never easy.

[bdeaner]

Uh-huh. Cash. Cold-hard cash. Why is this not shocking.

It is EXTREMELY SHOCKING! This is all new to me -- I had no idea. What a horrid legacy for Notre Dame! Fr. Hesburgh sold it's soul a long time ago! My goodness, what a disgrace. Catholics need to be informed. We have been kept in the dark for too long. Evil cannot thrive when the light is cast upon it. So let us bring it out from the dark and expose it for what it is.

[Desdemona]

My college emphasis is PR and marketing, so I studied the Rockefellers to an extent. I've somewhat landed in fundraising as part of my employment and at one time researched a lot of fundraising. Follow the money took on a whole new meaning.

Strange, we've never been taught that the biblical character to follow was Judas Iscariot. But, that's what happened. Money - the root of all evil. Aside from lust for glory, power and sex, it's true.

[bdeaner]

Yep — I’m learning a lot I was ignorant about until quite recently. Not that long ago I learned the link between Rockefeller and eugenics — something I’d just never been taught. As a psychologist, I was surprised to learn how his funding was behind the legalization of the sterelization of the mentally ill, which was actually supported by a U.S. Supreme Court decision. Hitler used the SCOTUS decision to defend his own eugenic project, which culminated in the “Final Solution.” We have a dark history in this country that we need to face head-on, or it will rot us from within.

[Desdemona]

Oh, dear. You really didn't know all this? Well, in some post this evening you quote the encyclical Pope Pius X wrote regarding "Americanism". That was a direct response to a John D. Rockefeller, Jr., visit where he did his darnedest to get the pope to play ball. Yeah, that didn't work.

[wagglebee]

Pinged from Terri Dailies

[bdeaner]

Oh, dear. You really didn't know all this?

No, I had no idea! And I'm really pissed off that after 12 years of Catholic School, and 7 years of Catholic University education, I was left in the dark. What a travesty.

[Desdemona]

Oh, well, I certainly didn't learn it in CATHOLIC school. I had to go looking on my own after attending a private university that has Harvard envy. The fundraising angle was learned on the job when I figured out how to follow the money. There's a lot out there that Catholics don't know and there are days I wonder how deliberately we've been kept in the dark.

[bdeaner]

Oh, well, I certainly didn't learn it in CATHOLIC school. I had to go looking on my own after attending a private university that has Harvard envy. The fundraising angle was learned on the job when I figured out how to follow the money. There's a lot out there that Catholics don't know and there are days I wonder how deliberately we've been kept in the dark.

Yes, and the clergy are so stretched thin these days -- I don't see how things will change unless there is a movement within the laity toward evangelization and improving catechesis among our brothers and sisters in Christ. What are your ideas for what a Catholic can do to effect change? I'm on fire right now, and not sure where to direct my energies.

[Desdemona]

Well, don't dig too far on Cardinal Bernardin if you aren't up for shocks. There's WAY more to that story than meets the eye.

I read a quote here on FR in the last few months that was attributed to Fulton Sheen. I've not been able to find it anywhere, though. He supposedly said that every 400 years or so the laity saves the Church. We're probably on the cusp of that. My advice - read the authentic teachings, be informed, learn apologetics, don't be afraid to be unapologetic about the Faith, and if marriage is your vocation, don't send your kids to Jesuit schools. Be sure to be involved in their religious education. My mother was horrified to find out how bad ours was. And, of course, pray.

[bdeaner]

Thanks for the advice! Good advice that I will take.

I am ready for more shocks; anything but more ignorance. So hit me with any info (resources etc) you have on Cardinal Bernardin. I want the dirt. ;)

[Desdemona]

Look up a piece called “The American Pope”. There's also a piece, if you go back far enough here on FR, that's something like the Two Faces of Cardinal Bernardin. The long and short of it is, he had more influence than JPII. If you look at the history of JPII’s papacy, the major moves either back to center or to the “right” happened after Bernardin died. Bernardin was the author of the “seamless garment” ideas. And he was slick, too. Once you learn more about Bernardin, some of zero's comments in that commencement address take on a whole new meaning.

[Desdemona]

Try this link:

http://www.culturewars.com/CultureWars/Archives/Fidelity_archives/bernardin.html

I’m pretty sure this is what I’m remembering.

[Recovering Ex-hippie]

Our church is encouraging us to join a church ministry locally that will be trained to reach out to Catholics to evangalize...they are asking for about 30 people to become part of this new volunteer effort. I may just volunteer.

there isn’t enough “reaching out’ to the parishoners for their spirtual needs, and short of ‘family social events” the Baptists really leave us in the dust when it comes to “community’ and fellowship. With the advent of suburbs the old Catholic neighborhood church has gone.,,,and with it, a sense of community.

[bdeaner]

Thanks. I will check out those articles, and if I find them, I will link them here for others who are interested.

[Desdemona]

Be careful. The pieces I’m thinking of I read in 2002-03, somewhere in there. There’s been a lot written since with the same titles.

[bdeaner]

Our church is encouraging us to join a church ministry locally that will be trained to reach out to Catholics to evangalize...they are asking for about 30 people to become part of this new volunteer effort. I may just volunteer.

Excellent! I wonder if there is a similar initiation in my neck of the woods. God bless you! I wish you well in your mission.

[count-your-change]

You only need to enter “Cardinal Bernardin” into google.