Skip to comments.From Orthodox to Heresy: The Secularizing of Catholic Universities
Posted on 05/30/2009 5:19:18 PM PDT by bdeaner
Forty years ago the major Catholic universities in the U.S. decided that the Catholic Church needed to reform her teachings, especially that of sexual morality, to conform to the times, and that they should lead that reform. In 1967, at Land O'Lakes, Wisconsin, they declared their independence from the Church, exchanged the faith of their founders for an evolutionary heresy, proclaimed themselves to be an alternate magisterium, and transferred control from their founding religious orders to secular boards of trustees. Not coincidentally, by these actions they qualified themselves for lucrative financial grants from foundations controlled by leaders of the Culture of Death.
For forty years the true nature and intent of this revolution has been disguised. As a result, generations of Catholic students and graduates have been and are being ill formed and misled in their faith, or have lost it altogether.
It is time for the story to be told.
The last half of the 19th century saw two currents of intellectual thought advancing contemporaneously. With the publication of Charles Darwin's The Descent of Man in 1871, the eugenics movement became the darling of the sophisticated elite of England and the U.S. Around the same time, reformers within the Catholic Church argued that traditional moral teachings must be modernized to conform to modern science and sociology. Both of these viewpoints directly contradicted Church teachings. However, in less than a century, American Catholic universities would accept and unite both of them.
In his January 1899 apostolic letter Testem Benevolentiae Nostrae, Pope Leo XIII warned the U.S. bishops of a heresy sprouting in Catholic hearts in this predominately Protestant country. The heresy asserts that Christianity is a philosophy that has evolved over time and must continue to do so, that truth is relative, and that individual conscience is supreme in establishing one's standards of faith and morals. Because this heresy resonated so strongly in the U.S., Pope Leo called it "Americanism."
Pope Leo's warning went largely unheeded. Only eight years later that heresy had matured and spread throughout Europe as well as the U.S., generating another more profound and more urgent warning from the Holy See. Pascendi Dominici Gregis, Pope St. Pius X's September 1907 encyclical, was an in-depth explanation of the heresy, its underlying philosophy, and the deceit by which it was promoted. The encyclical made clear that all of the various heretical views are interrelated and "solidly joined so that it is not possible to admit one without admitting all" (#39). At its core, the heresy holds that religion is a subjective "sentiment" arising solely from an individual's perceived need for a god, which he then creates and which he "knows" only through his subjective experience. From this root, a number of other errors follow: Truth is relative; Jesus is not divine; Scripture is neither divinely inspired nor true; "faith" has no place in man's search for knowledge. Pope Pius described this heresy as "the synthesis of all heresies," naming it "Modernism." It also goes under the name "evolutionary theology," and is the root of moral relativism.
What anguished Pope Pius and created the urgency of his warning was not that the Church was being attacked, but that this attack was coming from within the Church. The betrayers, the Pope said, are prominent members of the clergy and the laity, men whom the Pope branded "the most pernicious" of the "enemies of the Church" because they are so difficult to detect, like the "wolves in the sheepfold" of which Christ Himself warned. They are industrious, intelligent men, knowledgeable about the Church and possessed with a mania for reform. Disguised as orthodox Catholics, the Pope warned, "they seize upon chairs in the seminaries and universities," from which they "scatter" the "seeds of their doctrines" through "books, newspapers, [and] reviews" (#42).
Although the Pope's warning somewhat attenuated the visible growth of modernism in the American Church for several decades, the heresy did not die. As the Pope had feared, the wolves had clothed themselves like the sheep and remained in the sheepfold, in faculty positions in Catholic universities, where they quietly nourished and advanced the cancer.
The Eugenics Movement
Following the publication of Charles Darwin's evolutionary theories in The Origin of Species in 1859, and his application of those theories to mankind in The Descent of Man in 1871, the evolutionary philosophy he advocated became the cause celèbre of the wealthy sophisticates of England and the U.S., where it caught the attention of John D. Rockefeller. Reduced to its essentials, Darwin's philosophy holds that man, who has naturally evolved from lower life forms, has now attained the ability to control and accelerate his further evolution into a more perfect species through controlled breeding, just as he has done with cattle and plants. The name given to this proudly atheistic movement was "eugenics." Darwin and his disciples proposed to achieve this "noble" aspiration in two ways -- first, by applying Darwin's rule of "survival of the fittest" to eliminate the weak, disabled, and undesirables; second, by creating stronger, more intelligent humans through controlled breeding and manipulation of genetics. The means to these ends were to be contraception and abortion, forced sterilization, euthanasia, and genetic manipulation, to be accomplished by "education" if possible, but by compulsion if necessary.
The eugenics cause captured the attention of John D. Rockefeller when he was seeking a philanthropic identity. His son, John D. Rockefeller Jr., became a zealot for the cause, which he promoted by creating and funding hundreds of trusts, foundations, bureaus, and institutes devoted to eugenics. He lavished funds on universities for eugenics research, on eugenics advocates such as Margaret Sanger, and on German eugenicists and institutions that built the labs used in the Holocaust. He drew Protestantism into his camp by creating and funding the Federal Council of Churches, which later merged into the National Council of Churches.
In the 1930s his son, John D. Rockefeller III, dedicated his entire philanthropic life and his millions to the promotion of birth control, which he pursued with such fervor that he became known as "Mr. Population." Predictably, the Rockefellers' money and influence attracted other influential names to the cause so that, by the early 1950s, the trustees, directors, and advisors of the Rockefellers' vast network of trusts, foundations, and institutes included top executives of the nation's largest media outlets, banks, industries, and government. Later, this list would include the name of the president of one of the nation's most visible Catholic universities.
After World War II, when the horror of Germany's "eugenics-oriented" society was exposed, the eugenicists changed their marketing strategy: The term "eugenics" was dropped. In 1952 Rockefeller III established "The Population Council" to promote birth control under the euphemism of "population control." With religious fervor, population control was promoted as an "environmental" issue essential to the preservation of mankind, under the alarmist banner that the earth had neither the space nor the resources to sustain the growing human population.
By the end of the 1950s, the campaign had persuaded the major Protestant denominations to accept contraception as a moral practice. But the Catholic Church stood her ground. In those days, faithful bishops courageously proclaimed Catholic truth -- and Catholics listened.
By the early 1950s, both the evolutionary theories of eugenics and the heresy of evolutionary theology were prominent in American culture. In those postwar years, secular universities were growing in wealth, power, and reputation, largely through funds from foundations controlled by members of the American Eugenics Society. Catholic universities, because they were Catholic, were excluded from this cornucopia. In 1961 that changed.
Within many Catholic universities were prominent faculty who publicly criticized Church teaching on sexual morality and advocated their "reform" to conform to the times. These dissident voices, coupled with their universities' yearning for a place at the table of foundation funding, gave Rockefeller the opportunity to neutralize the Church's opposition to his eugenics agenda. The initial gesture came, unexpectedly, from the University of Notre Dame.
Among Notre Dame's vocal dissenting theologians was Fr. John A. O'Brien, C.S.C. When Rockefeller's Population Council and Planned Parenthood invited him to a conference to discuss ways to promote contraception, the invitation was answered from the assistant to Fr. Theodore Hesburgh, Notre Dame's president, who offered Notre Dame's campus as the venue for the conference, provided it was funded by a foundation grant. Rockefeller agreed to the funding on condition that only Catholics who believed as Rockefeller did were to be invited, a condition to which Notre Dame brass readily agreed. Notre Dame went further, arranging that the conference be unpublicized to avoid opposition from the bishop and loyal Catholics. Planned Parenthood's list of Catholics with acceptable views on contraception included Fr. Hesburgh, who chaired the first conference. Two follow-up conferences were held expressly to formulate a document justifying a reform of Church teaching on contraception which would then be widely published. All the conferences were held on Notre Dame's campus and all were funded by foundation grants.
In the summer of 1965, after the conferences had ended but before the preordained report was finalized, Fr. Hesburgh arranged a private audience for Rockefeller with Pope Paul VI in an unsuccessful effort to sell the Pope on the value of contraception and his newly perfected IUD, after which Rockefeller arrogantly offered to draft a papal encyclical on the subject -- an offer which the Pope, of course, declined.
That fall, seven months after the Population Council conferences had concluded, the hand-picked conferees signed and publicized a proclamation attacking the Church's teaching on contraception. Popularly called "The Notre Dame Statement," the document declared that the Church's teaching was out of date and inconsistent with modern psychology and sociology, and that the morality of contraception was not based on divine law but solely on one's opinion. The Statement asserted that it was wrong to teach that contraception was objectively sinful, and that Catholics who so believed had no moral right to impose that view on others. Thus was inaugurated the "personally opposed, but " philosophy.
The Notre Dame Statement was a direct attack on the Magisterium of the Church. To accept it is to accept moral relativism and to deny that the Catholic Church teaches divine truth. Nevertheless, the Notre Dame Statement was enthusiastically endorsed by both the secular and the Catholic media. It did not matter that, in December 1965, the Second Vatican Council concluded without making the reforms called for by Rockefeller and the Notre Dame Statement. All that mattered was that some prominent theologians and academics had issued the Statement, which Catholic colleges and universities immediately embraced and began to teach as an acceptable moral code for Catholics. Thus was "Cafeteria Catholicism" legitimized.
Notre Dame demonstrated that a Catholic university willing to compromise its principles could qualify for lucrative foundation grants, for which its president was rewarded with a position on the Rockefeller Foundation Board of Trustees (he would later serve as its chairman).
The Land O'Lakes Statement
The heretical seeds of modernism that had long been nurtured in U.S. colleges and universities broke ground with the Notre Dame Statement. Only two years later, the bitter fruit was produced. On July 23, 1967, at Notre Dame's retreat center in Land O'Lakes, Wisconsin, the executives of the major Catholic universities in the U.S. and their sponsoring religious orders met, signed, and adopted a revolutionary document entitled "The Land O'Lakes Statement: The Nature of the Contemporary Catholic University," which has subsequently been referred to simply as "The Land O'Lakes Statement." The signing universities were Notre Dame, Georgetown, Boston College, Seton Hall, Catholic University, St. Louis University, Fordham, the University of Puerto Rico, Pontifical University of Peru, LaValle University, and the University of Sherbrooke, Canada. Significantly, the Land O' Lakes Statement was also signed by the Assistant General of the Society of Jesus and the Superior General of the Congregation of Holy Cross, both of whom were based in Rome. Signing the document for the University of Puerto Rico was the Rt. Rev. Theodore E. McCarrick, later to become Cardinal Archbishop of Washington, D.C.
Contrary to the disinformation from its apologists, the focus of the Land O'Lakes Statement was not academic freedom. Its focus was solely and exclusively the manner in which Catholic universities would deal with questions to which "science" was incapable of providing answers; questions of faith and morals; questions traditionally addressed by philosophy and theology; questions ultimately involving the relationship between faith and reason. In these contexts, the Land O'Lakes Statement declared the universities' independence from the teaching authority of the Church, which put them in schism, and replaced Catholic theology with heretical modernism as their governing doctrine.
Land O'Lakes as Schism
The Land O'Lakes Statement declared the universities' independence from the Church in its first paragraph, which states that "the catholic university must have a true autonomy and academic freedom in the face of authority of whatever kind, lay or clerical, external to the academic community itself " (emphasis added). The reference to "lay" authority is disingenuous. In forty years of application, no university has ever claimed "autonomy" from "lay authority," least of all from the "lay authority" of foundations that impose anti-Catholic conditions on financial grants. The only yoke of authority these rebellious institutions intended to cast off was the teaching authority of the Catholic Church. In his book Contending With Modernity: Catholic Education in the Twentieth Century (Oxford Univ. Press, 1995), Philip Gleason wrote that the Land O'Lakes Statement was never intended to be anything other than "a declaration of independence from the hierarchy" of the Church.
Land O'Lakes stated that "the critical reflective intelligence" of the Church is now found, not in the Magisterium of the Church, but in the "modern catholic university," in which is vested the duty to judge Church teachings and promote their reform. In "University Identity Crisis," a 1996 analysis of Land O'Lakes published in Crisis magazine, Kenneth D. Whitehead put it bluntly: The essence of Land O'Lakes, he wrote, is "a decision not to be Catholic . These Catholic colleges and universities are in effect declaring that they simply decline to be Catholic as the Church defines that term." Under Land O'Lakes, he said, "it is the Catholic university itself that now is to decide what is, and what is not, 'Catholic.'" Fr. Hesburgh, to whom the primary authorship of the Land O'Lakes Statement is attributed, boldly admitted as much when he wrote in America magazine in 1986 that a true university cannot allow the Vatican to define what is and what is not authentic Catholic teaching.
In Church parlance, the word historically used to describe such a broken relationship with the Church is "schism." Feminist theologian Rosemary Ruether openly applied this term to Land O'Lakes, writing in a 1980 article in Journal of Ecumenical Studies that Land O'Lakes created "an internal schism . between two magisteria, the magisterium of the professors and the magisterium of the pope and the hierarchy." Msgr. George Kelly, an apologist for the Church, agrees with her. Msgr. Kelly wrote in The Catholic World Report in 1995 that Land O'Lakes has "largely succeeded in creating a two-headed church," rooted in Catholic colleges and universities, one of which is "an anti-church in which the definitive teaching of the magisterium can be, and often is, contradicted, doubted or explained away. This 'second magisterium,' as it has sometimes been called, has its base in the Church's college system."
Land O'Lakes as Heresy
The "contemporary catholic university," as defined by Land O'Lakes, is neither contemporary nor Catholic. The Land O'Lakes Statement is nothing more than an acceptance of the tenets of modernism as described by two popes a century ago.
Students of the Land O'Lakes Statement and its effects are in agreement that the intent of Land O'Lakes was to replace orthodox Catholicism with liberal modernism as the defining philosophy of Catholic higher education. As Gleason put it, the intent of Land O'Lakes was to make clear that "the Church's cold war with modernity was definitely over." David O'Brien, in a 1998 analysis of Land O'Lakes in Boston College Magazine, wrote that Fr. Hesburgh and his colleagues believed that the time had come for Catholic educators to accept modernism instead of challenging it, as the Church has historically done.
Land O'Lakes declared, "There must be no theological or philosophical imperialism." Theological imperialism refers to the belief that the Catholic Church is the true Church through which the fullness of God's Truth is revealed and proclaimed. According to O'Brien, the framers of Land O'Lakes believed that the religious principles of their universities' founders were out of date. Their intent was to give "learning" priority over "growth in faith and morals," and to downgrade theology to just another academic discipline without special emphasis or status. This is why courses in Catholic apologetics are no longer offered on most Catholic campuses.
Land O'Lakes describes in some detail how a "contemporary catholic university" is to facilitate the "experience" of religion. Basically, anything and everything goes -- except, of course, "theological imperialism," which is absolutely prohibited. Nothing is to be "outlawed," and there are to be "no boundaries and no barriers." The university's primary characteristic is that it be "modern" in the "full sense of the word"; its mission is to provide an "education geared to modern society." Students learn to "understand the actual world" by being exposed to all aspects of it, free from doctrinal moral constraints. Religion is experimental and experiential: Students will "find the meaning of the sacraments for themselves." They will "express [their] Christianity in a variety of ways and live it experientially and experimentally," and will discover for themselves "new forms of Christian living." Tinkering with Catholic liturgy is encouraged. Land O'Lakes proclaims that the "best" liturgies are those that are "creatively contemporary and experimental."
And so, at the "contemporary catholic university" described in Land O'Lakes, moral relativism is the rule; individual conscience is the determinant of "right" and "wrong"; religion is a subjective sentiment; God is known through one's experience; faith and reason are separate and distinct; faith adds nothing to reason.
One cannot exaggerate the destructive impact of this culture of relativism on the transmission of the Catholic faith, a culture that has been deliberately cultivated by the Land O'Lakes Statement. Twenty-eight years after Land O'Lakes became the article of faith for Catholic universities and colleges, Msgr. Kelly observed that, at most of them, "the most serious and fundamental teachings about the divinity of Christ, the virginity of Mary, the nature of the Church, the priesthood and the Eucharist" are disparaged and reduced to "optional theological opinion." Is it any wonder, then, that the results of recent surveys of graduating seniors at Notre Dame, published in 2004 in Notre Dame's Scholastic magazine, disclosed that the students who lost some or all of their faith while at Notre Dame (37 percent) outnumbered those who grew in their faith (16 percent) by more than two to one, or that for the overwhelming plurality (46 percent) the "Catholic identity" of that institution was simply irrelevant. There is no reason to believe that similar surveys at other "contemporary catholic universities" would be more positive.
The Growth of Land O'Lakes
The Land O'Lakes Statement was implemented immediately. Within six months of its drafting, the religious orders that owned Notre Dame and St. Louis University had given away governance of those universities to self-perpetuating boards of trustees, the majority of whom are lay men and women over whom the religious orders have no control. By 1972 nearly all Catholic colleges and universities had followed suit. This is why appeals to fundamentals of the Catholic faith are largely ineffective; they do not affect the bottom line. However, the name "Catholic" is still a positive asset that attracts money and students from those who still believe that the university stands for Catholic truth.
The Vatican has never approved the Land O'Lakes Statement -- not that it matters. In 1976 the Land O'Lakes Statement was formally adopted by the National Catholic Education Association (NCEA), which purported to represent 223 Catholic colleges and universities.
In 1990 Pope John Paul II promulgated Ex Corde Ecclesiae (ECE), his apostolic constitution on Catholic universities, which defined the nature and purpose of a Catholic university and established measurable standards such a university was to follow. It was dead on arrival in the U.S. Vigorously opposed by the Association of Catholic Colleges and Universities, the Association of Jesuit Colleges and Universities, the College Theology Society, the liberal Catholic media, and the universities themselves, ECE has had no impact on the corporate owners of the rebellious colleges and universities that have prospered under the Land O'Lakes philosophy. After eighteen years, the U.S. bishops who have the responsibility to enforce ECE have yet to summon the courage to do so.
With the Land O'Lakes Statement in 1967, which sprang from an alliance with the Culture of Death, the major Catholic universities in America discarded orthodox Catholic teaching as their raison d''tre and replaced it with heresy. Since that time, two generations of Catholics have graduated from America's Catholic institutions of higher learning without knowledge or understanding of their faith, believing that one can be Catholic while disbelieving or even opposing Church teaching. Yet these generations of ill-formed, sometimes disbelieving, and often rebellious Catholic graduates are touted as the leadership and the future of the Catholic Church in the U.S. Small wonder, then, that the Church in the U.S. is experiencing a crisis of faith. Laity are uncatechized, clergy are unwilling to instruct them, and quisling bishops are afraid to proclaim the Gospel. A case can be made that a substantial factor causing all of this was, and continues to be, the betrayal of the faith by Catholic academics with the Land O'Lakes Statement in 1967, which has metastasized like cancer throughout the Church ever since.
As Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz of Lincoln, Nebraska, has noted, heresy is cured by "obedience and repentance." The sooner the history and causal relationship between Land O'Lakes and the secularization of Catholic universities is known and accepted, the sooner this cure can be applied by attentive Catholics, concerned alumni, and courageous bishops.
Michael V. McIntire is a 1957 graduate of the University of Notre Dame. During the turbulent 1970s, he joined the faculty of the Notre Dame Law School as Associate Professor of Law, where he witnessed the beginnings of the secularization of that university. An Oblate of the Order of St. Benedict and an RCIA catechist, he lives and practices law in Big Bear Lake, California.
A case can be made that a substantial factor causing all of this was, and continues to be, the betrayal of the faith by Catholic academics with the Land O'Lakes Statement in 1967, which has metastasized like cancer throughout the Church ever since.
The cancer metaphor is apt. It's time for the Church to perform some chemotherapy.
Thus has it led to such as this:
Where the very antithesis of fundamental, bedrock doctrine and principle is now honored there.
Some are just disgusted, and they seek out another Christian sect whose educators and leaders more closely adhere to Christ's teachings.
I am one of those former Catholics.
I am an alumna of Villanova (CINO) University, an Augustinian university. I testify that most of my professors broke the First Commandment by worshiping Karl Marx instead of God.
All while claiming they are the true church of Christ.
Is this what Jesus would do?
So?...Other than a few **carefully** worded letters what have the “quisling” bishops done? Where is the Pope?
Is this what Jesus would have done? If not, then how can this church be true?
For hope that the Church is going through yet another of Her purges, just as She has for 2,000 years, look to St. Athanasius who stood alone for truth. It's not nearly that bad now. It's just very sad that so many choose to abandon Her rather than standing up and challenging those who spout heresy.
“Is this what Jesus would have done?”
Jesus was perfect. Can you please show me one, just one, other man on this earth who is perfect in all things? If you can’t, then I think you will see the folly of your question.
“If not, then how can this church be true?”
That’s like saying, “Have you ever sinned? Yes? Then gee, I guess you’re not a Christian because Christ never sinned.” Does that make any sense? Nope. Neither does what you’re saying.
I guess you’ll leave your currect sect when the pastor makes a mistake or fails to go as far on a point as you would like, right?
***”The task of authoritatively interpreting the word of God, whether written or handed on [Scripture or Tradition], has been entrusted exclusively to the living Magisterium of the Church, whose authority is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ.”***
I am curious as to what levers the bishops have to enforce this standard.
At one time I would suspect that the local diocese held the deeds to these universities.
Do they still? Could they evict these posers and start a new.
Certainly at this point the Church would suffer backlash if it tried to exercise control over the universities at this point but if these schools do not follow basic Church doctrine they should not be advertising themselves as Catholic.
The schools should either reform or stop the false advertising.
“At one time I would suspect that the local diocese held the deeds to these universities.”
I don’t see how that is possible. These universities were all started by orders. They, therefore, are not owned by dioceses.
***I dont see how that is possible. These universities were all started by orders. They, therefore, are not owned by dioceses.***
That is correct. The bishop is responsible for religious teaching. But he is not responsible for the ordered universities in his diocese.
The do have the power to remove teaching or administering clergy do they not? He can order priest or brothers to resign their post.
Certainly they have the power of excommunication of those defiantly teaching false doctrine.
No. That has to done by a superior in the order.
And unfortunately those superiors are just as heretical as the clergy they oversee.
“The do have the power to remove teaching or administering clergy do they not?”
No, no I don’t think so. The bishop can stop a priest from exercising his priestly function in a diocese, but he has little authority over a priest who doesn’t belong to his diocese. A priest at a university might belong to an order and therefore, is essentially independent of the bishop’s authority.
“He can order priest or brothers to resign their post.”
Nope. I don’t think. He can do that at the diocesan seminary of course - but that’s because he owns that. He doesn’t own the university.
“Certainly they have the power of excommunication of those defiantly teaching false doctrine.”
Yes, but that requires more than you might realize. It is actually HARD to get formally excommunicated in this day and age.
Don't I know it. Saint Louis University is a prime example.
If I learn that they ignored blatant evil for decade after decade, yes, I will leave. If I learn that they have deliberately and maliciously taught the worship of Marx instead of Christ to 2 or more generations of youth, yes, I will leave.
“If I learn that they ignored blatant evil for decade after decade, yes, I will leave. If I learn that they have deliberately and maliciously taught the worship of Marx instead of Christ to 2 or more generations of youth, yes, I will leave.”
You’re not making any sense. The Catholic Church never “taught the worship of Marx instead of Christ to 2 or more generations of youth”. NEVER. You are mistaking a university for the Church. How logical is that? You chose to attend a university known not to be loyal to the Church’s teaching and yet you left the Church and blame the Church? Again, how logical is that?
I am reminded of the story of Jesus braiding a whip, overturning the tables of the money changers, and cleansing the temple.
“Whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believed in me, it were better for him that millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.” Matthew 18:6
So....Youth and children by the millions have been led astray by these apostate “Catholic” educators and their superiors do NOTHING meaningful.
It will be better for these sheeple-like leaders-in-name-only for a millstone to have been tied around their necks. They **will** be held accountable before God and Jesus for the souls of millions of youth and children who have been led astray.
I would also think that Christ would hold enablers accountable as well. I for one, stopped enabling the Catholic Church decades ago. Unless I see some very meaningful action and solid reform, any participation in the Catholic Church would put me in the category of enabling evil to be thrust upon innocent children and youth.
I am a product of 10 years of elementary and high school Catholic education. I am an alumna of the CINO Villanova University. I testify before God Himself that far, far, far too many of my teachers and professors worshiped Karl Marx instead of God.
And...While worshiping Karl Marx is not a tenant of the Catholic faith, far, far, far too many Catholic leaders **knew** it was happening, and did nothing, and **are** doing NOTHING about it. (Witness this latest abomination of Obama at Notre Dame.)
As Christ reminded us it would be better for a person to have millstone tied around his neck and drowned in the sea than to hurt children ( and youth). I bet he wouldn't think too kindly about enablers of this evil either ( lay or religious).
Do something about it wintertime. Write letters, make calls, get some of the alumni together and do it. We need to fight, fight, fight...
With regards to Villanova the best I can to do is withhold money, and warn others not send their kids there.
“I am a product of 10 years of elementary and high school Catholic education.”
I am a product of 12 years of Catholic elementary and high school Catholic education and I never had the experiences you had.
“I am an alumna of the CINO Villanova University.”
I am an alumn of three universities, one Catholic and two secular. The difference between the Catholic one and the secular was shocking. The Catholic was orthodox.
“I testify before God Himself that far, far, far too many of my teachers and professors worshiped Karl Marx instead of God.”
So you picked a lousy university and had teachers who sucked. That doesn’t mean the Church is at fault. Again, you’re not making sense.
“And...While worshiping Karl Marx is not a tenant of the Catholic faith, far, far, far too many Catholic leaders **knew** it was happening, and did nothing, and **are** doing NOTHING about it. (Witness this latest abomination of Obama at Notre Dame.)”
Again, you’re not making sense. You can backpedal now and admit that worshipping Marx is not a tenet (please note, it’s not “tenant”), but that doesn’t change the fact that your original logic made no sense. You are also completely ignoring that fact that bishops have almost no control over universities in canon law.
“As Christ reminded us it would be better for a person to have millstone tied around his neck and drowned in the sea than to hurt children ( and youth). I bet he wouldn’t think too kindly about enablers of this evil either ( lay or religious).”
He wouldn’t. And what would He think about those who use it as an excuse to leave the Church He died to establish?
I’m not trying to pick on - believe it or not. If you grew up in the Philly area, where Villanova is located, there are plenty of parishes where the teaching of the Church are embraced and taught. And if there aren’t, you’re still better off leaving town then leaving the Church. Christ didn’t suffer so we would be comfortable and be able to rationalize our decisions. He suffered so we could be saved and He gave us the Church to carry that salvation to the ends of the earth. The Church has had members stray from the gospel before - Docetianism, Gnosticism, Donatism, Arianism, Pelagianism, Protestantism - the list seems endless. The Church always deals with it in her time and comes back stronger. That’s happening now too. You just have to have eyes to see it.
Yes, for allowing it and sometimes even promoting it, and doing nothing about it. Enablers of harm to the young deserve a millstone just as much as those doing the actual harm.
Bishops and the Pope can declare that a universities does not represent the Catholic Church and request that the university stop its false advertising. I have never seen them do that. They can remove the priests and nuns under their authority to leave the university.
Bishops also have control over the curriculum and basic philosophy of their own elementary and high schools.
My daughter was a math teacher at Catholic elementary school last year. Every one (ALL of them) of the teachers, the principal, and the priest who was the director, voted for Obama and took every opportunity possible to tell ( and show) the students how utterly **thrilled** they were that he was elected.
So...Go ahead,...I have had plenty of experience with Catholics and their logic games. Go explain these games to God.
Personally....I am not about to be an enabler.
As for your reasoning regarding Christ establishing a church:
Talk about a cult! Your argument is the same used by **cultist** to control their members! We are the true cult and if you leave you are leaving truth ( with awful consequences, of course!)
“Yes, for allowing it and sometimes even promoting it, and doing nothing about it. Enablers of harm to the young deserve a millstone just as much as those doing the actual harm.”
Nope. The one at fault would be the local bishop, not the Church. When a local bishop fails, it is his fault. When he does what the Church teaches he is in perfect communion with the Church - that’s the Church. I don’t confuse the two when they should not be confused. Also, didn’t you graduate from Villanova? So you paid them money for four years to mess up the minds of young people including your own? So, you’re an enabler too then by your own logic. Not only are you an enabler, but you PAID THEM TO DO IT.
“Bishops and the Pope can declare that a universities does not represent the Catholic Church and request that the university stop its false advertising.”
Yes, a difficult, painful and lobg process must come before that usually and most bishops are not anymore interested in that process than you were in taking a stand rather than being an enabler as you were.
“I have never seen them do that.”
“They can remove the priests and nuns under their authority to leave the university.”
There are few or no priests or nuns under their authority at that university. The diocese does not run universities and few diocesan priests work at Catholic universities.
“Bishops also have control over the curriculum and basic philosophy of their own elementary and high schools.”
No. In theory yes, but as I have seen in recent years even the most active and ardently Catholic bishops have little control over their schools in day to day matters. Take Archbishop Burke for instance. It is well known that he had constant battles in his original diocese - LaCrosse, Wisconsin - with school administrators, teachers, parents, etc. Today, Catholic schools are often largely independent of their bishops. They can issue decree like statements, but they do not have the staff to watch the schools.
“My daughter was a math teacher at Catholic elementary school last year. Every one (ALL of them) of the teachers, the principal, and the priest who was the director, voted for Obama and took every opportunity possible to tell ( and show) the students how utterly **thrilled** they were that he was elected.”
And so what? That’s happened all over the country and in some of the best diocese and under even some of the best bishops. All you’re doing is proving my point for me. These people are essentially no different than you. They have left the Church. They just pretend to still be Catholic.
“So...Go ahead,...I have had plenty of experience with Catholics and their logic games. Go explain these games to God.”
I don’t play any games. When you meet God, you be sure and tell Him that you left the Church you were convinced was true because you didn’t want to take up the fight. Make sure you tell Him that, okay?
“Personally....I am not about to be an enabler.”
But you were for four years at least and paid those people you believe were wrong. Brilliant.
“As for your reasoning regarding Christ establishing a church: Talk about a cult! Your argument is the same used by **cultist** to control their members! We are the true cult and if you leave you are leaving truth ( with awful consequences, of course!)”
Christ established one Church. He never established your sect. I fyou think that simple truth is proof of a cult, then you better reject the New Testament because it’s pretty plain from what is said inside it that Christ established ONE Church and that He could not have established your sect.
Does lashing out probably make you feel better though? Yeah, it solves soooooo many problems doesn’t it.
Remember you paid them money for four years while you disagreed with them. Enabler.
Why do you think that I disagreed with elementary, high school, and university educators while I attended? I was one of the “offended” that Christ was talking about when he made reference to that millstone.
Oh...Remember...One of the blazing indicators of a cult is that if you don't adhere to its principles ( or..Gasp!..) leave, your soul is lost.
“You are the logic expert.”
No, but logic helps.
“Why do you think that I disagreed with elementary, high school, and university educators while I attended? I was one of the offended that Christ was talking about when he made reference to that millstone.”
Again, that makes no sense. Why would someone - anyone - who was offended by liberalism choose a liberal university after being offended in liberal elementary and high schools? At that point would not that person be placing the millstone around his own neck?
“Oh...Remember...One of the blazing indicators of a cult is that if you don’t adhere to its principles ( or..Gasp!..) leave, your soul is lost.”
But a person who says he is offended by liberalism and who chooses to attend yet another liberal school would be violating his own principles would he not? Wouldn’t he be choosing to be lost at that point? When do you think that person becomes accountable for his actions? When does he become culpable? No matter how horrible the liberalism being taught to him, if that man chooses to pay good money to support it, and then bad mouths it afterward as if he was involuntarily imposed upon, what does that say about him and his principles? Wouldn’t that be a terrible hypocrisy?
One of the main characteristics of childhood and young adulthood is lack of discernment. It is only as an adult, with the experience and judgment that comes with adulthood, that a person realizes that they have been seriously offended.
That’s a good start wintertime. There are also groups and organizations you could join - Les Femmes, Women of Truth, Catholic Media Coalition, Inc. (CMC) - website www.catholicmediacoalition.org. Another one is - Defenders of The Faith, Inc. which has its own radio station. Mailing list totals are in the thousands. The CMC website has links to numerous publications and helpful information to enable you to learn your faith and defend it in your parish, diocese, or wherever you need to defend it.
Always in your efforts pray, pray, and pray some more. If your prayer is only a petition for change in the thinking and action of the dissident and the success of your actions pray anyway. Remember, God already knows what you need. What you are praying for is for God to tell you what He needs of you.
We need you!
We need you!
Sorry,...I don’t care to accept the leading role in “Waiting for Godot”.
Sue the school. :)
“One of the main characteristics of childhood and young adulthood is lack of discernment.”
Eighteen year olds are adults. Sometimes people make excuses for their own hypocrital behavior.
“It is only as an adult, with the experience and judgment that comes with adulthood, that a person realizes that they have been seriously offended.”
No. When someone is offended it is immediately or almost immediately felt. Some people just realize that claiming an offensive thing happened makes for a convenient excuse to cover for one’s one glaring hypocrisy and failure.
Amen, Brother! Tell it like it is.
Excuses. Excuses. Excuses.
You are defending the inexcusable.
“Excuses. Excuses. Excuses. You are defending the inexcusable.”
If I am making excuses, at least I am not making excuses for myself. You are. I have no control over Villanova. You had control over yourself. I am blameless all around in this. You can’t say the same.
I can live with that and have an absolutely clear conscience. Can you? Remember, you gave them YOUR MONEY FOR FOUR YEARS. I gave them NOTHING.
Why are you defending the indefensible?
“Why are you defending the indefensible?”
I’m not. Why did you pay for the indefensible?