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What if James von Brunn Had Been an Intelligent Design Advocate?
Beliefnet ^ | Thursday June 11, 2009 | David Klinghoffer

Posted on 06/11/2009 3:16:58 PM PDT by Dov Shalom

For those who objected to my post yesterday quoting Holocaust Museum shooting suspect James von Brunn on the role of evolutionary doctrine, however distorted, in his rationale for racism, let me ask you a question. Try this thought experiment. If in his crazed manifesto he had somehow found support for his thinking not in evolution but in intelligent design, do you think we would have heard nothing about it from the media as in fact we've heard nothing (except from me) about his evolutionary thoughts? What if he had based his hate explicitly on Biblical literalist creationism? Or on Roman Catholicism? Or Evangelical Protestantism? Or Orthodox Judaism? Would that similarly have been hushed up?

Continue the thought experiment. Let's say, in this imaginary scenario, that the media had indeed made clear his support for intelligent design, creationism, Roman Catholicism, or what have you. Would you then be condemning the media as you condemn me?

Please tell me your answer. Honestly now, and without resorting to personal abuse if you can possibly manage it. For those who can't manage it, please go ahead and answer anyway. I still want to hear your reply.


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Judaism; Skeptics/Seekers
KEYWORDS: holocaustmuseum; intelligentdesign; jamesvonbrunn

1 posted on 06/11/2009 3:16:58 PM PDT by Dov Shalom
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To: Dov Shalom

He was a leftist, a paganist, and a socialist, there’s really nothing more to be said.

BTW I’m an evolutionist Christian.


2 posted on 06/11/2009 3:22:36 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Dov Shalom

As the wonderful world of what-ifs, may, maybe, might have, if, could, would, etc. turns...


3 posted on 06/11/2009 3:24:48 PM PDT by cranked
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To: cranked

I read it 4 times myself and didn’t get it.


4 posted on 06/11/2009 3:37:09 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek

This von Brunner apparently justified his actions with a rambling screed based upon evolutionary tenets, and the author was attacked on Beliefnet for pointing that out.

This is a response by the author, wondering if the man’s beliefs would be given such a pass, if he’d been on the creationist side of things.

He wouldn’t.


5 posted on 06/11/2009 3:56:06 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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6 posted on 06/11/2009 8:24:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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whoops.

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7 posted on 06/11/2009 8:26:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

to post 7 - I’ve never understood why some do this. Were you people hall monitors in school?


8 posted on 06/11/2009 8:28:30 PM PDT by jla
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To: Dov Shalom

Even worse ... what if he’d been a tuna sandwich?


9 posted on 06/11/2009 8:30:23 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Dov Shalom
"James von Brunn on the role of evolutionary doctrine"

The man was a psychotic killer who didn't know a blessed thing about biochemistry, math or science whatsoever. His psychosis was so profound it rendered him incapable of rational thought. So any claim that the man could even grasp the science of evolution is laughable.

"What if he had based his hate explicitly on..."

The man is driven fundamentally by emotion, an ever present anger specifically, and the spurious associations he held were simply elements of the unorganized and illogical fantasies he found consistent with that ever present anger. Here's a clue: The man attempted a citizen's arrest of the FRB with a sawed off. His motive was the anger generated by his psychotic state, not high interest rates.

A psychotic's thoughts on matters aren't relevant for anything other than diagnostic evidence and for feedback on the effectiveness of any meds given. The idea that they mean anything else is ridiculous.

11 posted on 06/11/2009 9:28:08 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Dov Shalom

The creepy Lettermans and Shep Smiths of the world would be having a field day. Of course, since Von Brunn agrees with THEM on evolution, they will find nothing pseudo-amusing to say! Bob


12 posted on 06/12/2009 5:50:00 AM PDT by alstewartfan
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To: Dov Shalom
A nutcase murderer is a nutcase murderer. Trying to link any origin of life theory to anything in the Holocaust Museum case is bogus, low class, and an example of the worst kind of politicization of a tragic crime.

The shooter was motivated by antisemitism, not evolution.

13 posted on 06/12/2009 7:38:43 AM PDT by GunRunner
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