Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

What Abortionist Killers Believe: The Consequences of a Fringe Theology
The Weekly Standard ^ | 6/11/09 | Jon A. Shields

Posted on 06/12/2009 10:05:34 PM PDT by bdeaner

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-52 next last
Interesting -- I didn't realize the Protestants were not much involved in the pro-life movement until recently.
1 posted on 06/12/2009 10:05:34 PM PDT by bdeaner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: bdeaner

That’s completely bogus.


2 posted on 06/12/2009 10:10:10 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Obama administration: "We are going to change the world. Please, don't interfere.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bdeaner
These bastards have the nerve to call anyone "violent", when they approve of the ripping apart of live babies in the womb?

THE GRUESOME TRUTH OF THE ABORTION HOLOCAUST & THE DEATH OF DR. TILLER [Warning: A graphic photo of death & dismemberment]

“It is the grimmest of ironies that one of the most savage, barbaric acts of evil in history began in one of the most modernized societies of its time, where so many markers of human progress became tools of human depravity: science that can heal, used to kill; education that can enlighten, used to rationalize away basic moral impulses; the bureaucracy that sustains modern life, used as the machinery of mass death, a ruthless, chillingly efficient system where many were responsible for the killing, but few got actual blood on their hands.”–Barack Obama April 24, 2009, Holocaust Remebernce Day, Chicago Sun Times.

3 posted on 06/12/2009 10:14:33 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EternalVigilance
That’s completely bogus.

What's completely bogus?
4 posted on 06/12/2009 10:22:21 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: EternalVigilance; Jim Robinson; wagglebee

When ANY PERSON decides to ‘play GOD’ and, denying the sanctity of life, takes another life, born or unborn, that person is guilty, whether or not so found in human court of law. There will be at the end of our human lives a judgment day for all sin. (Thank God for Grace!)

On the other hand, when any government *fails* to execute murderers, IT abdicates its moral imperative.

In the USA, the Sovereign Citizens have the opportunity to out-hustle ACORNBOMA and restore the rule of moral law, so help us God!


5 posted on 06/12/2009 10:23:41 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: bdeaner

What you said in post number one.


6 posted on 06/12/2009 10:30:54 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Obama administration: "We are going to change the world. Please, don't interfere.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: bdeaner

You “didn’t realize it” because it’s simply not true.


7 posted on 06/12/2009 10:32:13 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Obama administration: "We are going to change the world. Please, don't interfere.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: EternalVigilance
You “didn’t realize it” because it’s simply not true.

How do you know that? What is your evidence to counter the author's statements?
8 posted on 06/12/2009 10:33:17 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: bdeaner
The use of deadly force to prevent emanate murder is a defense under Texas law.
9 posted on 06/12/2009 10:38:55 PM PDT by BigCinBigD ('When a man believes that any stick will do, he at once picks up a boomerang,')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BigCinBigD
The use of deadly force to prevent emanate murder is a defense under Texas law.

Are you suggesting Texans should kill abortionists in their state?
10 posted on 06/12/2009 10:40:40 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: bdeaner

Long experience in the pro-life movement. The claim is ridiculous.


11 posted on 06/12/2009 10:42:48 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Obama administration: "We are going to change the world. Please, don't interfere.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: bdeaner

Why not at all.


12 posted on 06/12/2009 11:24:30 PM PDT by BigCinBigD ('When a man believes that any stick will do, he at once picks up a boomerang,')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: bdeaner

People like roeder always come along to do their violent deeds just when the pro-aborts need them to do so, when the pro-aborts have suffered some kind of setback.

Remember, this murder comes less than a week after the left-leanign Gallup Poll reported that a MAJORITY of Americans (51-42) are pro-life. The timing could not be more suspicious. Qui bono?

I thin Roeder and his ilk are pro-abort setups.


13 posted on 06/12/2009 11:32:13 PM PDT by TBP
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TBP

Those who are PRO-LIFE don’t murder.

This was not done by a pro-lifer but by someone who was pro-choice. He chose to end someone else’s life. He used a gun. Others use forceps. Both are murder.

How convenient for the baby-killing gun-grabber abortionists that this tragedy “just happened” to occur when they are trying to ramrod immoral, unConstitutional new anti-gun and citizen profiling legislation through Congress!

Those with the least conscience and the most to gain power and wealth from such a tragedy are the most likely to have suborned it. Follow the money.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2261924/posts?page=15#15


14 posted on 06/13/2009 12:37:41 AM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: bdeaner
I recall taking a church trip to a religious conference in Nashville as a teenager. This was in April or May of 1973, just shortly after Roe was handed down. It was a Baptist conference and everyone was horrified by the Roe ruling.

Also, I would note that in the years shortly before Roe, heavily Catholic New York's legislature voted to legalize abortion (1970). Bills to permit abortion failed to gain any traction whatsoever in the Protestant South. Texas went all the way to the Supreme Court to defend its law against abortion, as did Georgia in the Doe case. Texas was overwhelmingly Protestant back then, far more so than today when open borders have made the state nearly half Latino.

15 posted on 06/13/2009 1:08:48 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (REALLY & TRULY updated!).)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: puroresu
Dear puroresu,

“Also, I would note that in the years shortly before Roe, heavily Catholic New York's legislature voted to legalize abortion (1970)”

And the same Catholic-dominated legislature voted to undo its liberal abortion laws two years later, but were overridden by Protestant Gov. Nelson Rockefeller. Wiki has him as a Baptist.


sitetest

16 posted on 06/13/2009 5:33:36 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: sitetest
Fair point. I wasn't trying to belittle Catholics’ role in the pro-life movement, which has been outstanding. I was just wondering where the idea that Protestants were indifferent to the issue until sometime after Roe vs. Wade came from.

Given that America is a predominantly Protestant nation, how did abortion end up outlawed in all fifty states in the first place? For much of American history there were negative attitudes toward Catholicism in many sections of the country. That was true as late as 1960 when there was fear among Democrats that JFK's Catholicism would hurt his chances in the presidential race. If opposition to abortion was merely a Catholic thing which Baptists, Lutherans, and others didn't share, then how did abortion end up outlawed in Alabama, Kansas, Idaho, and other areas where Catholics are a distinct minority?

Why, when the moral relativism of the 1960s spawned a pro-abortion movement, was it not stronger in the less Catholic parts of the country? It would seem it would have had a head start there, since there was no religious basis for opposition to abortion in the first place. But there doesn't seem to be any evidence that that's the case. New York legalized abortion, and it's heavily Catholic. True, they tried to unlegalize it in 1972. But the point is that a bill to legalize abortion would have been crushed by a landslide in the Georgia legislature in 1970. Yet Georgia has few Catholics. So where did the strong opposition to abortion there come from if Protestants didn't care about the issue?

From what I can see, both Catholics and Protestant Evangelicals opposed abortion all along. It was secularists and CINOs (Christians in Name Only) from both Catholic and Protestant backgrounds who pushed legal abortion. I guess we could add in liberal Jews, but most of them are secularists, and aren't religious like pro-life Jewish leader Yehuda Levin.

17 posted on 06/13/2009 6:35:18 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (REALLY & TRULY updated!).)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: EternalVigilance; bdeaner

You wrote:

“That’s completely bogus.”

No, actually it was a perfectly reasonable comment on bdeaner’s part as to how surprising it is to see how far back Protestant involvement in pro-life efforts go. After all, Catholics led the way LONG BEFORE Row v. Wade in all things pro-life and were known for the stand against contraception as well. Protestants, on the other hand, are only incidentally, or accidentally, pro-life. Their views could change any day depending on their leadership, exegesis, feelings, etc. For Catholics, this is the way it’s always been, and this is the way it will always be. Remember, Protestant religious bodies didn’t accept contraception until the 1930s! Now, they all do really. And by the 1960s, the PCUSA was vocally supporting abortion on demand. That’s an amazing development - and a heart breaking one too.

Catholics have never seen anything like that in their Church and never will. For many Catholics, raised in a pro-life atmosphere that goes back 2,000 years it is surprising to learn that there are Protestants who have been involved in the pro-life movement for 35 or more years. They were relatively few in number, but they were there. Think of it this way, what if someone claimed that the seminal Protestant declaration against abortion (and there can be no such thing of course because Protestants are not unified at all) was Francis Schaeffer’s A Christian Manifesto which came out in 1981. That’s only 28 years ago. Our first, if not greatest statement against abortion, came out sometime between 70 and 140 A.D. - the Didache. It’s just part of way of life. Protestants had to wake up to the danger of abortion. We always found it an abomination. I know some Protestant pro-lifers have written about struggles they had in their churches in the 1970s and 1980s to get people to even consider the pro-life cause as important! That same sort of philosophical problem continues in how Protestant sects overwhelmingly support birth control. They simply aren’t pro-life ENOUGH to know or understand how birth control ties into and sometimes directly leads to abortion.


18 posted on 06/13/2009 6:44:26 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: bdeaner

The other question is “What do abortionists believe?” Tiller was killed in a Lutheran church where he seems to have been warmly accepted. What kind of theology condones abortion?


19 posted on 06/13/2009 7:03:21 AM PDT by Malesherbes (Sauve Qui Peut)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: puroresu
Given that America is a predominantly Protestant nation, how did abortion end up outlawed in all fifty states in the first place?

It was actually outlawed more in the late 19th century, as I understand it, when anatomical knowledge became more commonplace. When fetuses (which is Latin for baby) were seen to be REALLY tiny babies, and the picture plates in textbooks demonstrated that, minds were changed.

I came across that a number of years ago while working in the archives and rare books section of a major medical library. DaVinci may have been the first to illustrate life in the womb, but it was the work of artists much later that changed a lot of hearts and minds.

20 posted on 06/13/2009 7:32:02 AM PDT by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue. http://www.thekingsmen.us/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-52 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson