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What Abortionist Killers Believe: The Consequences of a Fringe Theology
The Weekly Standard ^ | 6/11/09 | Jon A. Shields

Posted on 06/12/2009 10:05:34 PM PDT by bdeaner

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To: RobbyS
I did not intend the progressive spin that you imagine.

What I intended was to scoff at all the self-proclaimed virtue.

41 posted on 06/13/2009 8:33:07 PM PDT by delacoert (imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim; imperat animus sibi, et resistitur -- Augustini)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Taht’s what I’ve been saying since this broke. Qui bono?


42 posted on 06/13/2009 8:39:36 PM PDT by TBP
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
That's what I've been saying since this broke. Cui bono?
43 posted on 06/13/2009 8:40:28 PM PDT by TBP
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To: delacoert
Dear delacoert,

No, actually, I meant, he was killed in a Lutheran “church.” Which was to offer evidence for the statement that the mainline Protestant groups had, over time, gone pro-abort.


sitetest

44 posted on 06/13/2009 8:47:01 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

Yeah I got that part.


45 posted on 06/13/2009 9:13:57 PM PDT by delacoert (imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim; imperat animus sibi, et resistitur -- Augustini)
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To: sitetest
Much has been made over the supposed indifference of Protestant churches over abortion on the one hand, and the acceptance of contraception on the other. There is an ugly little fact that seems to be hidden in all this piety. I refer to the canard over the difference between personal accountability and public responsibility that has been used by those involved in politics to excuse their participation in the establishment of immoral public policy.

The USCCB is hardly beyond reproach. For all the noise and smoke you would think that bishops had actually done something. You would think maybe someone has actually been refused communion, but no we’re still just starting to commence to begin to get ready to do something.

46 posted on 06/13/2009 9:15:09 PM PDT by delacoert (imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim; imperat animus sibi, et resistitur -- Augustini)
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To: delacoert

Since the Episcopal Church abandoned my principles, I have sought a Church home. Because the Catholic Church will not actually match action to words, I have not been able to settle there, though I long to do so.


47 posted on 06/13/2009 9:18:28 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
It is always a comfort to be able to find the loving and faithfully devout in those place whereever the Lord may put them.

One of the strangest dissonances in life is that the wholesale failure of the mankind is compensated for by singularly humble acts.

48 posted on 06/13/2009 9:31:25 PM PDT by delacoert (imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim; imperat animus sibi, et resistitur -- Augustini)
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To: delacoert

“One of the strangest dissonances in life is that the wholesale failure of the mankind is compensated for by singularly humble acts.” A profound comment, my FRiend. I shall contemplate that sparkling gem. I have no doubt that the fervent prayers of John Paul did much to stay The Lord’s hand when we the people deserved His wrath. May God have mercy upon US.


49 posted on 06/13/2009 9:35:54 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: delacoert; RobbyS
Dear delacoert,

“The USCCB is hardly beyond reproach. For all the noise and smoke you would think that bishops had actually done something.”

Oh, then you agree with me, as in what I said to RobbyS in post 25:

“You're right. As much as the Catholic hierarchy have done for life, they have also done many stupid things that have worked against life. Regrettably, many of our bishops have been and are feckless.

"Which is why we should remember to pray for them even more."

I will add that there are many things that they have not done, as well, the failure to do which have worked against life.


sitetest

50 posted on 06/14/2009 5:38:03 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: MHGinTN
Because the Catholic Church will not actually match action to words, I have not been able to settle there, though I long to do so.

We call this a temporal situation, and, no, the bishops don't do things the way we, who are often ignorant of the finer aspects of canon law and Sacred Tradition, would like to see happen. Like using good sense in their personnel decisions. There's a lot of things going on that we don't know. Always have been, always will be.

It is a difficult thing, it seems, to not let the actions of men effect one's faith and the practice of it. I grew up in a place where the hierarchy was dealing with a combination of "personnel issues" all the time. My parish in the 80's had a sex offender who went to prison in 1983 followed by an alcoholic who never did admit it after two interventions followed by another who was laicized not too long ago for some very sketchy things and is now in jail somewhere in Arkansas. It could just have been the combination of people at the top, but things were dealt with. And the core of that parish is still intact. You can't let that sort of stuff effect your faith. Ultimately, it's still a very private matter between you and God.

Headlines can be deceiving. Here, on this forum, our last archbishop was a hero for his very public pronouncements on life issues and regarding withholding the sacraments from politicians. The actual procedure is private consultation long before you get to that stage, but that's not the point here. He left this archdiocese a personnel disaster and spent cash on things that should have been major donor driven. And stuff that should have been put on hold (or not done at all, in one case) until some other big repairs were made. Just because of where I currently am a parish member, I hear all sorts of dirt. Anyway, when he left, there was nobody to run the place, because he took his assistant with him (that one's back now). It's not too horrible of a mess, and it's not like it hasn't been worse, but there has been, along the way, a lot of very demoralized people who are vital to inspiring others to the Glory of God - and all because our previous archbishop was really into the position. But, does it effect those of us in the trenches. No. At least it shouldn't. Not where I am. And this is just on this side of the river. The poor people in Belleville have it much worse with a bishop who never should have been elevated. I got an earful from the relatives about that yesterday.

But, these are the actions of men. No one should ever let the actions of men effect their faith. Maybe it's just because I've seen a lot, but that's something you really have to think about. Love is all about taking the good with the bad, and when you love the Church, you love her warts and all.

We'd love to have all the good, strong, faithful people we can get. Just remember that those of us who grew up on the inside have seen far more than the headlines have ever said, and we're still here.

51 posted on 06/14/2009 6:55:50 AM PDT by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue. http://www.thekingsmen.us/)
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To: bdeaner
Whatever the shades of difference among them, virtually all the radicals have cherished a bellicose reading of a handful of Old Testament verses, especially Genesis 9:6: "Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man." The fringe seemingly ignore the New Testament

So the "old testament" is a more authoritative text for "anti-Semites" than the "new?"

Talk about irony.

PS: The text quoted from Genesis according to RaMBa"M means that abortion (for non-Jews) is murder.

52 posted on 06/14/2009 9:04:55 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . Vayiqra' Mosheh leHoshe`a Bin-Nun Yehoshu`a.)
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