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Russian Orthodox Church marks Feast of All Saints
RIA Novosti ^ | 14/06/2009

Posted on 06/15/2009 12:24:02 AM PDT by pobeda1945

MOSCOW, June 14 (RIA Novosti, Ivan Korzun) - Russia is celebrating the Feast of All Saints on June 14, with liturgies in Orthodox churches throughout the country commemorating all known and unknown saints. The feast, also called All Saints' Sunday, is marked on the first Sunday after Pentecost. It became prominent in the ninth century during the reign of Byzantine Emperor Leo VI the Wise (886-911).

His wife Theophano was known for her piety, giving alms to the poor and monasteries, caring for widows and orphans, and consoling the sorrowful.

After her death Leo built a church, and forbidden from dedicating it to his wife, dedicated it to All Saints, so that his wife would be honored as a righteous woman. He also issued a decree on the date of the feast. After All Saints' Sunday, the Peter and Paul Fast begins in the Orthodox Church, which this year lasts two weeks.

Western Christians mark All Saints' Day, also called All Hallows Day, on November 1.

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TOPICS: Current Events; Orthodox Christian
KEYWORDS: orthodox; russian

1 posted on 06/15/2009 12:24:04 AM PDT by pobeda1945
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To: pobeda1945

Wishing you a Happy Feast Day.


2 posted on 06/15/2009 3:05:37 AM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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To: pobeda1945

A Blessed All Saints Day to our Orthodox brothers in Christ from a Catholic Freeper.


3 posted on 06/15/2009 3:09:10 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Cronos
Hello Orthodox friends

Happy FEAST OF ALL SAINTS!

If you want to hear some FANTASTIC religious music go to this http://ancientfaith.com/, follow the instructions in the PIC below.

This website is WONDERFUL for anyone considering becoming a member of the ORTHODOX CHURCH... All kinds of podcasts. Tons of material... I think is a wonderful alternative for Roman Catholics who want a more rigorous, more traditional church with basically the same rituals.
How come I don't hear that much from Orthodox people here?... COME ON.. LET'S TALK :)


4 posted on 06/15/2009 6:57:18 AM PDT by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church on the war on family-values is *** DEAFENING ***)
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To: pobeda1945; crazykatz; JosephW; lambo; MoJoWork_n; newberger; The_Reader_David; jb6; ...

Orthodox ping


5 posted on 06/15/2009 7:07:23 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: ElPatriota

The music isn’t bad but the Westernized sermonizing is terrible. A better, soundly Orthodox internet site is:

http://www.myocn.net/index.php/The-Rudder.html


6 posted on 06/15/2009 7:10:37 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: ElPatriota
I think is a wonderful alternative for Roman Catholics who want a more rigorous, more traditional church with basically the same rituals.

I guess Catholics aren't supposed to proselytize the Orthodox, but the reverse isn't true.

"Silence of the Roman Catholic Church on the attack on family values" ... what are you talking about? What planet do you live on?

7 posted on 06/15/2009 7:23:35 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: Campion

We are all brothers in Christ. We stand before him with his glory in our hearts as one, as we pray for those who are still in darkness in the embrace of the false prophet of Mecca. Blessings to all and may the word of Christ go out to all the world.


8 posted on 06/15/2009 7:35:20 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Campion
Your point? :) I'm not an Orthodox yet... but I am thinking about it.

Something else, the CC is "THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!!!"... and their responsibility is greater than that of a smaller church with less resources or visibility.

IF THE Catholics themselves, would have been more demanding from he church, perhaps the CC would have been more proactive in cleaning the children abuses and facing up to the problem.

It is BEYOND my understanding... how the Catholic faithful can put up with what the CC did w/o getting angry... beyond me!

9 posted on 06/15/2009 7:57:14 AM PDT by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church on the war on family-values is *** DEAFENING ***)
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To: Kolokotronis

Hmmm Thanks for the link, I’ll checkit out :)


10 posted on 06/15/2009 7:58:53 AM PDT by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church on the war on family-values is *** DEAFENING ***)
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To: Campion

“I guess Catholics aren’t supposed to proselytize the Orthodox, but the reverse isn’t true.”

C, we don’t proselytize you guys. There is no need to and it would be highly inappropriate. There is, however, a group of former evangelical protestants here in America who converted some years back who felt that it was their calling to do just that. They’ve been slapped down more than once over this behavior but their spiritual arrogance, especially that of one or more of their priests, is truly astonishing. Many of them lurk around on Ancient Faith radio which is one of the reasons why its a site to be avoided.


11 posted on 06/15/2009 8:18:41 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
...C, we don’t proselytize you guys. There is no need to and it would be highly inappropriate...

Ooops... seems like I am braking a rule here... If if did I am sorry... I can see that would upset faithful from other religions.

Ok. let me ask you, is there an Orthodox group here in FR, where you can talk w/o offending anyone?

By the way, I checked the music... Wonderful...Thanks.

12 posted on 06/15/2009 8:29:52 AM PDT by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church on the war on family-values is *** DEAFENING ***)
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To: Kolokotronis; ElPatriota

Kolo,

Christ is in our mist.

I love you, brother. Genuinely. Deeply. And I have appreciated your wisdom. But I find this comment out of line. Your rhetoric is over the top, and a dramatic overgeneralization. Matthew 7:1-5. If the Evangelical converts in the Antiochian Archdiocese have been too “on fire” then I’m sure +Philip has/will handle it.

If not for those converts, I would not have found Orthodoxy when I did. Or, more appropriately, it would not have found me. Worshipping alongside Arab Christians in an Antiochian Orthodox Parish has helped soften the post-9/11 hardness of my heart toward Middle Easterners. And I thank God for that.

The Lord works in his mysterious was and most assuredly does not need you or me to act as his referee. So, as politely as I can put this - step off with all the “harumph”ing.

El Patriota is a cradle Roman whose disaffection with the abuse scandals in that Communion have led him to seek a home elsewhere, and he is looking to the East.

The convert population definitely needs the discipline of the cradles. At least those - who you yourself guided me to look to - come to Liturgy more frequently than on Pascha. Converts look to cradles for wisdom and guidance and all too often they are LET DOWN.

By the same token, the cradles need a double dose of the converts’ zeal. Maybe triple.


13 posted on 06/15/2009 9:49:45 AM PDT by Yudan (Living comes much easier once we admit we're dying.)
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To: Kolokotronis

I forgot to add,

Forgive me.


14 posted on 06/15/2009 9:54:20 AM PDT by Yudan (Living comes much easier once we admit we're dying.)
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To: Yudan; Campion; ElPatriota

“If the Evangelical converts in the Antiochian Archdiocese have been too “on fire” then I’m sure +Philip has/will handle it.”

So we all hope, Yudan. The activities of some of those evangelicals has been a source of problems here in the States and abroad because of some basic misunderstandings about Orthodox theology and praxis.

“El Patriota is a cradle Roman whose disaffection with the abuse scandals in that Communion have led him to seek a home elsewhere, and he is looking to the East.”

Latins are free to explore Orthodoxy as the Orthodox are free to explore Roman Catholicism. That said, Y, there is a very, very long and sad history of Roman Catholic proselytizing of Orthodox Christians which for many centuries and even to the present in some areas has been a source of great discord between the East and the West. On the other hand, in the last century there were forced conversions of Eastern Rite Catholics back to their ancestral Orthodoxy in places like Ukraine and after the fall of the USSR of very active proseltyzing by Latins in Russia.

As for ““harumph”ing”, the Synod in Antioch very recently did some rather substantial “harumph”ing” on this very subject, in which +Philip joined.

As a general proposition and over the past few years, Orthodoxy and the Latin Church have arrived at a point where it has been determined that it is destructive of potential harmony for either side to seek to convert the other. As a catchumen, you may not have been aware of that. That’s what Campion was alluding to.


15 posted on 06/15/2009 10:39:41 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

“As a general proposition and over the past few years, Orthodoxy and the Latin Church have arrived at a point where it has been determined that it is destructive of potential harmony for either side to seek to convert the other.”

Yes, very true. The Late Patriarch of Moscow, Alexei II was on record as saying there would never be communion between East and West so long as the Church of Rome sought to proselytize in Russia.

“...the Synod in Antioch very recently did some rather substantial “harumph”ing” on this very subject, in which +Philip joined.”

Well aware on my end of the Byzantine intrigue to which H.E. +Philip has treated both his Archdiocese AND the Holy Synod in Antioch. My family and I began the process of conversion about 6 weeks before the Feb 24 bomb went off. In my own opinion, it comes down to Philetism on the part of a small group of old-country priests in the Midwest. And the Laity have fought back pretty hard about the whole deal, as they have throughout Church history when the Hierarchy got something wrong. The Latins have one thing right for sure in all this: mandatory clerical retirement at 75 (and Cardinals lose their vote for Pope at 80).

“As a catachumen...”

{cue the commercial bumper of “Dark Shadows” here as the trump card is played} Dumm-duhhhmmm-DAAAAAAAAAUUUUUMMMMM!!!!

Please tell me you didn’t mean that as snottily or elitist as it sounded. Because if it was, you just lost my personal deference to your “wisdom.”


16 posted on 06/15/2009 12:05:19 PM PDT by Yudan (Living comes much easier once we admit we're dying.)
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To: Yudan

“In my own opinion, it comes down to Philetism on the part of a small group of old-country priests in the Midwest.”

Really? One of the reasons that we will not see an autocephallous American Orthodox Church in our lifetimes is that there are some persons, very loud persons, in the churches of the various jurisdictions, virtually all relatively recent converts, who really think they know Orthodoxy and Orthopraxis better than the Patriarchial Synods and that their Western, American very, very protestant praxis and phronema is superior to the 2000 year old praxis of The Church in the East. The Synods and most of the laity and monastics and lower clergy disagree, thank God!

“Please tell me you didn’t mean that as snottily or elitist as it sounded. Because if it was, you just lost my personal deference to your “wisdom.””

I meant it as instruction and correction to a catechumen. What effect that has on your opinion of me is entirely your affair, Yudan.


17 posted on 06/15/2009 1:02:49 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

Question out of curiosity, Kolo. Could you please list some examples (not all) of what the converts are doing wrong, and what the corrections are?

I certainly don’t believe I have everything right, but it does no good to state that I and my priest are poorly catechised if I don’t know what is actually wrong.


18 posted on 06/15/2009 1:31:24 PM PDT by arielguard (Fasting without prayer is vainglory.)
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To: Kolokotronis; Yudan; Salvation; NYer; All
...“El Patriota is a cradle Roman whose disaffection with the abuse scandals in that Communion have led him to seek a home elsewhere, and he is looking to the East.”...

Geee... I feel like the kid who while playing with matches close to very flammable containers... set a big fire! So let me try to put it out.

I made a mistake. I got a little carried away for several reasons:

- Yes, I am looking into the Orthodox Church as an alternative to the RCC.

- My "beef" is only with this church and NO OTHER (too long to explain but you can read it -- see link below)

- I am not trying to offend anyone's religion! I am simply looking for the one that will "fit my needs," that's all. In our last conversation I asked which church came closest to the RCC in rituals, etc. Several nice people (i.e. Salvation) trying to be helpful, suggested I might look into the Orthodox Church. And so I have been looking into it and to my surprise!... I like what I've seen so far (like a kid in an ice-cream shop: It's just a question of which flavor now :)... so I see a bit of hope, like a "match in the darkness" (pun intended :). So yes, I am a bit excited at the prospect of finding something I thought I could never replace. I don't know if I will ever convert, there is a long way to go, at least a year or two, but I know I will visit several of the Orthodox Churches in its different flavors... and the rest is in God's hands.

If you are interested you can read post # 61 of http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2264321/posts

- Lastly, I was happy to see this thread on something exclusive to the Orthodox Church, which I don't see that often here in FR or maybe I never noticed? Hmmmm...

- In short, I forgot this "a thread" (public) and not an "Orthodox Group" (private). So I see how the faithful of other religions might take offense to what I said today unless they understand the background.

So, I will remove the picture in my first post and please accept my apologies.

19 posted on 06/15/2009 2:06:06 PM PDT by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church on the war on family-values is *** DEAFENING ***)
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To: Kolokotronis

“I meant it as instruction and correction to a catechumen.”

Thank you, but no. I have a Priest who is in good stead with his Bishop, who is in turn also in good stead with the Metropolitan. Since you’re not among their ranks, I’ll stick within the hierarchy for my instruction.

“What effect that has on your opinion of me is entirely your affair, Yudan.”

That’s good. I shan’t give it to you any further. Please respond in kind.


20 posted on 06/15/2009 2:19:41 PM PDT by Yudan (Living comes much easier once we admit we're dying.)
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To: arielguard

“Could you please list some examples (not all) of what the converts are doing wrong, and what the corrections are?”

First, I have no reason you’ve done anything wrong.

In answer to your question, what I and other “cradle” Orthodox have observed among some converts is a sort of holier than thou, we’re better at pretending to be 19th century Russian peasants than you cradles mindset. One actually told me that the proof of their holiness as a group was the number of them who had been ordained as deacons!

A few years ago the infamous Frankie Schaeffer, a convert from protestantism to Orthodoxy, published a newspaper called, I think, The Christian Advocate which continually trumpeted that Orthodoxy in America and soon in the world, would be brought to its purest state by American converts. He had a massive following among converts, especially in the AOC. Among his fellow travelers were the Ben Loman crowd! The paper is now gone, thank God.

There is an attitude that evangelical converts with their atonement theology and scriptural text generators know and understand the Faith better than the yiayas and papous who have lived Orthodoxy for decades, who, as my convert wife says, “walk Orthodox”. You know, my great grandmother couldn’t spell canon. I doubt she could read, at least much. Her best friend throughout her entire long life was Panagia, and I don’t mean some sort of “spiritual” or “theoretical” friendship. I mean a very real sit in the same room or under an olive tree together friendship. I’ve watched catechumens and recent converts in an AOC parish snicker at those people or dismiss their simple theology while the silly convert priest, who can speak neither Arabic, nor Greek nor Slavonic, did nothing! Luckily, a very dear older friend of mine, a Syrian American, cradle and parish council president let the arrogant jerks have it in spades.

We see accusations of the heresy of ethnophyletism from converts because they think that a protestantized, Americanized Orthopraxis is superior to 2000 years of Orthodox Christianity. Its disgusting.

Shall I go on?


21 posted on 06/15/2009 3:06:22 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: arielguard

I should add, a, that I have seen almost none of the foregoing here on FR.


22 posted on 06/15/2009 3:10:13 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: ElPatriota

“I made a mistake.”

Don’t worry about it.

“- My “beef” is only with this church and NO OTHER....”

If you end up Orthodox, at some point you’ll come to two realizations. First, that Orthodoxy fulfills all the promises the Latin Church “made” to you; second, you will goive thanks for the Latin Church because it lead you to Orthodoxy. The exact same process works in reverse with Orthodox who become Latins...which is quite a thing!

“If you are interested you can read post # 61 of http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2264321/posts";

Same advice I’d probably have given you.

“Lastly, I was happy to see this thread on something exclusive to the Orthodox Church, which I don’t see that often here in FR or maybe I never noticed? Hmmmm...”

It is very, very rare to see an Orthodox Caucus thread here. On occasion we will do an Orthodox/Catholic Caucus but even those are uncommon. Orthodoxy stands up pretty well against the assaults of the heterodox, as it has for the past 2000 years. There are a number of very well grounded Orthodox Christians here. If you have questions, Freepmail them and in the meantime, read the comments the Orthodox post. Finally, go to a Divine Liturgy. Here’s what the envoys of Prince Vladimir of Kiev reported back to him upon their return from an investigation of religions expedition in 987:

“”When we journeyed among the Bulgars, we beheld how they worship in their temple, called a mosque, while they stand ungirt. The Bulgarian bows, sits down, looks hither and thither like one possessed, and there is no happiness among them, but instead only sorrow and a dreadful stench. Their religion is not good. Then we went among the Germans, and saw them performing many ceremonies in their temples; but we beheld no glory there. Then we went on to Greece, and the Greeks led us to the edifices where they worship their God, and we knew not whether we were in heaven or on earth. For on earth there is no such splendour or such beauty, and we are at a loss how to describe it. We know only that God dwells there among men, and their service is fairer than the ceremonies of other nations. For we cannot forget that beauty. Every man, after tasting something sweet, is afterward unwilling to accept that which is bitter, and therefore we cannot dwell longer here.”


23 posted on 06/15/2009 3:26:47 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

No need to go on. Seems to me you’ve experienced the reverse of the ethnophyletism some converts experience. Please forgive them, and give them guidance. However, online comments often come across poorly because there is no true human contact to them. Please be gentle to us baby Orthodox, and only use a strong hand on the adolescents.


24 posted on 06/15/2009 4:45:53 PM PDT by arielguard (Fasting without prayer is vainglory.)
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To: Kolokotronis

“Shall I go on?”

Naah, Kolo. No need. I can see why such attitudes would color your outlook and why you said the things you did. I actually feel you to an extent. One reason I left Protestantism was the “Holier than EVERYONE” attitude. Self-righteousness is a very, VERY ugly thing, and I hate it with every fiber of my existence.

I lost my temper at you earlier on this forum, and I need to publicly apologize to you. Please forgive me.


25 posted on 06/15/2009 4:49:43 PM PDT by Yudan (Living comes much easier once we admit we're dying.)
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To: Kolokotronis
..To: ElPatriota “I made a mistake.”

Don’t worry about it.

Well, thank you for your feedback, advise and tips :)

(I'm taking notes :)

26 posted on 06/15/2009 5:29:07 PM PDT by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church on the war on family-values is *** DEAFENING ***)
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To: Yudan

“I need to publicly apologize to you.”

No you don’t.

“Please forgive me.”

Of course.

Next Sunday and for the next few months, look around the temple and watch the the older cradles as they pray and notice the little things they do and say depending on the liturgical season. Their Orthodoxy, Y, is definitional of who they are. It is as much part of them as the cells in their bodies. Quite literally everything about them is shaped by their Orthodox Christianity. You will learn The Faith from the Fathers and the liturgies and devotions of The Church, and, God willing, from a good and holy spiritual father. But you will learn to LIVE the Faith, the Faith upon which the Universe was founded, from the unsophisticated Orthodox Christians around you.


27 posted on 06/15/2009 6:12:11 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

Let me say that my home parish, while led by convert clergy, is not what you described in your earlier post. There is no pretense, no airs.

And if Orthodox Sunday was any indication, all the jurisdictions get along here. WELL. It was held at the GOA parish this year (I didn’t care for the organ, by way of full disclosure), and my Antiochian Convert Priest gave the Homily.

There is an old Polish couple in our parish, the gentleman introduced himself to me yesterday. In a rather thick accent, he told me that he was cradle (I really had no doubt) and that the background of the diocese he’d grown up in had a traceable ancestry to Cyrill. Chills...

And there are obviously several cradle Arab families, after all it is the Antiochian Archdiocese. And they are wonderful, beautiful people.


28 posted on 06/15/2009 6:34:02 PM PDT by Yudan (Living comes much easier once we admit we're dying.)
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