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Obama's Dangerous Health Care Plan [Obama's Microchip MARK]
Mens News Daily ^ | Jun 16, 2009 | Jim Kouri, CPP

Posted on 06/17/2009 10:26:23 AM PDT by LTC.Ret

President, Barack Obama has promised a massive change to “modernize health care by making all health records standardized and electronic.” Part of his ambitious health care program will be the computerizing of medical records of all Americans in order to make the health care process more cost-effective. --- the VeriChip Corp., the US company creating microchip implants --- The company’s executives have said their present push is the tagging of “high-risk” patients — diabetics and people with heart conditions or Alzheimer’s disease. --- According to the company’s most recent SEC quarterly filing, 515 hospitals have pledged to take part in the VeriMed network --- In early September, up to 200 Alzheimer’s patients living in the Palm Beach, Florida area were implanted with the microchip by the company VeriChip absolutely free. --- People are already lining up for the VeriChip --- there have been rumors on Wall Street, and elsewhere, of the potential uses for RFID in humans: the chipping of U.S. soldiers, of inmates, or of migrant workers, to name a few --- Opponents believe the government is choosing the most vulnerable citizens for the initial implants — Alzheimer’s patients, the handicapped, retarded, the elderly — but eventually every human being in the US, Mexico and Canada will be required to have the microchip implants if only to keep track of them and their activities.

(Excerpt) Read more at mensnewsdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: agenda; antichrist; bho44; democrat; democrats; endtimes; govhealthcare; impeachobama; lping; markmicrochip; markofthebeast; obama; obamacare; revelations; verichip; wealthshare; wreckinghealthcare
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First, please understand this is NOT about ME.

In 1978, I was sitting in a college classroom when they were previewing this newest technology called microchips. My brain thinks in tangential relationships, like seeing the world as a huge spiderweb of interconnected fibers, and I was immediately struck by the knowledge that I was most likely seeing the MARK in its infancy.

The microchip I saw could easily be implanted in the fleshy part of the palms of adults, and through the open fontanelles of newborn infants to make it a more permanent mark once the skull bone closes --- on their hands or in their foreheads.

I went home from class that day, and called the 700 Club to tell someone --- anyone --- somewhere --- who might understand what I had seen. I knew at the time of that inspiration that they could "sell" it to implant children and Alzheimer's patients "for their own good and protection", and then , once it became acceptable, they would offer it to everyone else. Once all the "free choice" takers were chipped, it would be easy to require the rest of us to be marked. The person on the phone did not take me seriously, and prayed for me that I would not be bothered any longer by "unfounded" fears. I wonder sometimes if he will ever get that "deja vu" feeling in the pit of his stomach now.

And my mind kept repeating "Woe to pregnant women and nursing mothers in those days" --- for they will not be able to go to a hospital without the mark being involuntarily forced upon them and their babies as a simple "injection". Imagine having to give birth at home or not being able to take a sick child to the doctor. For those of us who will not take the mark, hospitals and law enforcement will no longer be available for our care and safety.

Everything I "understood" in that first moment in 1978 has happened as I saw that it would. The chip is being "sold for safety" now, but soon it will be sold for convenience as well. You will not need to be concerned about having your credit cards stolen, or identity theft, or forgetting your checkbook, or not having enough cash with you, etc., if you can just swipe your hand across a scanner to process your business transactions. You can buy and sell without "money", and the merchant has no fear about hot checks, or fake ID's. or stolen credit cards, or even counterfeit money.

Fast forward to today, and I see the plan coming to fruition in the nationalization of healthcare --- and this is a secular article from a secular publication.

1 posted on 06/17/2009 10:26:24 AM PDT by LTC.Ret
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To: Quix

ping).)..)...)....)


2 posted on 06/17/2009 10:28:28 AM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: LTC.Ret

Sure thing Mr. Government Doctor...go right ahead and implant me with your tracking chip. I know it is for my own good and I know my Government would never try to control me....*violently pukes all over keyboard*


3 posted on 06/17/2009 10:28:31 AM PDT by NMEwithin
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To: LTC.Ret
bkmking for now
Interesting article
4 posted on 06/17/2009 10:29:13 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: LTC.Ret

Wow


5 posted on 06/17/2009 10:29:20 AM PDT by mel
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To: LTC.Ret

And notice, just like GE’s renwed interest in “green” technologies, they’ve started advertising their services for medical record standardization and digitization.

More payback for the owners of NBC.


6 posted on 06/17/2009 10:32:19 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: bamahead

OMG!!

Have at it!


7 posted on 06/17/2009 10:35:55 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: LTC.Ret

I’ve been watching this technology develop for years too, but not nearly as long as you. It’s like watching biblical history being made.


8 posted on 06/17/2009 10:36:18 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (I asked my broker what he's buying today. He replied: "Canned food and ammunition.")
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To: LTC.Ret
Ah, the happiness of a mechanized, efficient society....

1938

9 posted on 06/17/2009 10:38:08 AM PDT by dasboot
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To: LTC.Ret

WHOA! I may have to rethink my position that Obama doesn’t fit all the qualities of the Anti-Christ.

Revelation 13:16 & 17 - “He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.”

Bible scholars have long thought that the ‘mark of the beast’ would be microchip implants.

Now this is truly getting surreal AND SCARY!!!!!!!


10 posted on 06/17/2009 10:40:33 AM PDT by conservativegramma ((No taxation without constitutional representation!))
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To: LTC.Ret

.....as if we needed a “Tipping Point.”


11 posted on 06/17/2009 10:41:01 AM PDT by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: LTC.Ret

I think you’re right. The microchip has been implanted into pets for some time now, and yes, I have shared your concern that if it’s safe and convenient for my pet, why not for me? I think, too, that the chip will be marketed as a way to protect our idenitities and our data - now including medical records, of course - from theft. And I think the safety issue will play perfectly into this. Of course our passports and drivers licenses can be available 100 % of the time this way. On its face, it’s almost appealing, and I can see how many people will cheer this as a good idea. It’s not a good idea.
Quite honestly, I was hoping we weren’t quite this far along, but here we are.


12 posted on 06/17/2009 10:41:20 AM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: LTC.Ret

bump


13 posted on 06/17/2009 10:41:21 AM PDT by John Galt's cousin (Palin - 2012! Principled conservatism. [Donating $ 20.12/mo. until the Republic is safe again.])
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To: LTC.Ret
The B.E.A.S.T. chip will serve to streamline our overburdened medical and financial records industries an unnamed source commented...
14 posted on 06/17/2009 10:43:39 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: conservativegramma
WHOA! I may have to rethink my position that Obama doesn’t fit all the qualities of the Anti-Christ.

At last count he fit 12 out of 19 qualities. (there's a youtube video that details them) It could be debated that he filled 1 or 2 more. This MARK makes anywhere from 13-15 of 19 solid anti christ qualities.

15 posted on 06/17/2009 10:45:18 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Out of gas become a pill box, Out of ammo become a bunker, Out of hope become a hero.)
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To: ElayneJ

I have shared your concern that if it’s safe and convenient for my pet, why not for me?

- — - - - - - - - -
You can converse and carry ID, your pet cannot.

This is really scary! I can easily see this becoming mandatory for health insurance (esp Gov’t health) or being implanted without my knowledge/consent.


16 posted on 06/17/2009 10:48:10 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: LTC.Ret
Everything I "understood" in that first moment in 1978 has happened as I saw that it would. The chip is being "sold for safety" now, but soon it will be sold for convenience as well. You will not need to be concerned about having your credit cards stolen, or identity theft, or forgetting your checkbook, or not having enough cash with you, etc., if you can just swipe your hand across a scanner to process your business transactions. You can buy and sell without "money", and the merchant has no fear about hot checks, or fake ID's. or stolen credit cards, or even counterfeit money.

Related threads:
Techno-Tithe: Church Implants Microchips in Members' Right Hands
Church ‘ATMs' act as modern-day donation plates
SecureGive takes tithing to the touchscreen
Under Their Skin: Evangelicals get worked up over human microchip implants
DO NOT TAKE THE MICROCHIP!!!

17 posted on 06/17/2009 10:49:24 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: SpaceBar

The B.E.A.S.T. chip will serve to streamline our overburdened medical and financial records industries an unnamed source commented...

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Isn’t that a line from the movie “Moment After”?


18 posted on 06/17/2009 10:49:31 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: LTC.Ret

The problem I see is that if THE mark is forced on someone, God isn’t going to leave that person. The person has to worship the beast, as well as receive the mark.

Rev 14:9 -
And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

Rev 16.2 -
So the first angel went and poured out his bowl on the earth, and harmful and painful sores came upon the people who bore the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.

Rev 19.19 -
And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against him who was sitting on the horse and against his army. And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur. And the rest were slain by the sword that came from the mouth of him who was sitting on the horse, and all the birds were gorged with their flesh.

This leads me to believe that *IF* the government injects a RFID tag into someone (young, old, coherent, Alzheimer’s, healthy), and the key is UNKNOWINGLY, then it does nothing to ones salvation.

However, I cut the RFID tags out of my credit cards, so what do I know.


19 posted on 06/17/2009 10:55:13 AM PDT by Ro_Thunder ("Other than ending SLAVERY, FASCISM, NAZISM and COMMUNISM, war has never solved anything")
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To: LTC.Ret; Saoirise; HollyB; F15Eagle; TaraP; agrace; Esther Ruth; anniegetyourgun; politicket; ...
Ping

“CASH TO BECOME EXTINCT AS CHIPS TAKE OFF”
http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,28348,25637102-5014239,00.html

(NIV) REVELATION 14:9-12:

“A third angel followed them and said in
a loud voice: “If anyone worships the
beast and his image and receives his
mark on the forehead or on the hand,
he, too, will drink of the wine of God's
fury, which has been poured full strength
into the cup of his wrath. He will be tor-
mented with burning sulfur in the presence
of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the
smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever.
There is no rest day or night for those who
worship the beast and his image, or for anyone
who receives the mark of his name. This calls
for patient endurance on the part of the saints
who obey God's commandments and remain faithful
to Jesus.”

20 posted on 06/17/2009 10:55:50 AM PDT by 444Flyer (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.--Orwell)
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To: LTC.Ret

QUESTIONS

1. If the chip is injected against a person’s will, or without their knowledge, or is injected into baby or other helpless person, does God still throw that person in Hell?

2. The Bible says that the “mark” must be in the right hand or forehead. If this chip is the “mark”, and it is implanted in the back of a person’s neck (or at some other location), does God still throw that person in Hell?

(Note: The right hand and/or forehead are poor locations for chip implants. Implanted hands can be lost or deliberately cut off, and any implant would form a visible bump under the skin of the forehead. It’s more likely that any human implant chip would be implanted the back of the neck, between the shoulder blades on the dorsal midline, as is currently done with dogs and cats. And what of people with no right hand? Does a left-handed “mark” still get you a ticket to Hell?)


21 posted on 06/17/2009 10:57:51 AM PDT by B-Chan
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To: reaganaut

You can converse and carry ID, your pet cannot.


That’s true. But young children may not be able to do those things. And who wouldn’t want to ensure that their children are protected as much as possible? This is one of those ideas that sounds really good but is actually really horrible.
I agree it could easily become mandatory. Those of us who refuse the implant won’t have an easy time of it.


22 posted on 06/17/2009 10:57:51 AM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: Alex Murphy

Thanks for those links Alex.


23 posted on 06/17/2009 10:58:36 AM PDT by 444Flyer (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.--Orwell)
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To: ElayneJ
The microchip has been implanted into pets for some time

I recently read a review of a documentary about crime in Brazil where a young businessman discusses how he wants to have a microchip implanted in his so that in case he is kidnapped, the authorities will be able to track his location and rescue him. Kidnapping for randsom is now a daily occurence in Brazil according to the documentary.

I can see it's merit for parolees and suspects out on bail. But I think it's going to happen with medical records once we have Obamacare; no microchip, no care. THis is why we must lie to our doctors; never admit you smoke or drink. Say that you exercise regularly, even if you don't. Don't reveal family history you don't want known to the world, like your aunt's nervous breakdown or your grandfather's diabetes or anything else that might push you down the line for a knee replacement some day.

24 posted on 06/17/2009 10:59:47 AM PDT by grasshopper2
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To: ElayneJ

The “chip” will be used to do away with currency...all “money”
will be electronical...No more “nasty” paper money to be used...this will save you from catching communicable diseases from handling “money”...Every bit of your “money” will be “safe” in electronic accounts at your favorite “bank”...WOW!!!!!!!

This really, really good........NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Once this happens, and it will, the government has complete control over you...If you “upset” the government, your “chip” will be de-activated...You won’t be able to do ANYTHING..You will be tracked wherever you try to go...

THE END....


25 posted on 06/17/2009 11:05:10 AM PDT by Boonie
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To: LTC.Ret

Since Obama was elected things seem to be moving way too fast not to see that something BIG, and terrifying has been set in motion. Something apocalyptic set loose.

When I was a young Christian in the 1970’s I got caught up in all of those end-time books lining the bibles book stores shelves. The most notable was Hal Lindseys, The Late Great Planet Earth. Although they were fascinating reading, so much of it seemed like too far fetched to believe it could happen in my life time.

CASHLESS SOCIETY?
In the 1970’s the thought of using a debit card almost anyplace, including vending machines and parking lots seems just too far out. Well today I go weeks without paper money or coin. I can probably can go without it all together, if it wasn’t for the coffee kitty at work.

ONE WORLD LEADER?
This was always a great mystery. How could one man become so popular so fast as to set him self up as God in a short 3 ½ years. Mystery no more. I am not saying Obama is the Antichrist, but his coming from nowhere in such a short time to become a Godhead among his Koolaid drinking followers that spread beyond our borders, is just to strange. It shows you how fast the real Antichrist can enter the World Stage.

WORLD GOVERNMENT?
Hard to fathom in the 1970’s. Now, its something even the main stream media is picking up on. And the World Wide Web, not something Hal Lindsey even dreamed of, now makes a World Government an easier thing to accomplish.

THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION?
The Temple would have to be rebuilt, right? Well there is serious talk of it now. News story from 5/26/09 Raad Salah: Netanyahu will Try to Rebuild the Jewish Temple http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/131578


26 posted on 06/17/2009 11:06:30 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Faith

ping


27 posted on 06/17/2009 11:07:31 AM PDT by Blogger (It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins. - Ben Franklin)
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To: ElayneJ
“...I agree it could easily become mandatory. Those of us who refuse the implant won't have an easy time of it.”

Revelation 20:4:

“I saw thrones on which were seated
those who had been given authority to
judge. And I saw the souls of those who
had been beheaded because of their testi-
mony for Jesus and because of the word
of God. They had not worshiped the
beast or his image and had not received
his mark on their foreheads or their hands.
They came to life and reigned with Christ
a thousand years.”

28 posted on 06/17/2009 11:07:40 AM PDT by 444Flyer (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.--Orwell)
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To: LTC.Ret

Another Wow on that!

Remember the chip in the hand “Logan’s Run”. I think it was a GPS chip and a Dr. Doom chip all in one.

The only chip I’ll take is the Lay’s Potato. Other than that they can KMA.


29 posted on 06/17/2009 11:07:54 AM PDT by billygoatgruff
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To: ElayneJ

Can you believe it, right before our eyes. Sometimes I must admit. I think how on earth is Israel going to survive when all of these nations attack, and then I read something like this and it just shows me that everything is happening as written thousands of years ago. Oh me of little faith at times,.


30 posted on 06/17/2009 11:09:20 AM PDT by mel
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To: conservativegramma

Face it, Captain JackBarack Sparrow pirated the United States of America. Mr. Manchurian, spent his formative years as a youth getting educated in a third world Islamic Indonesia. AND he has yet to provide his birth certificate.

This captain Jackbarrack is islamic to the bone bent on the destruction of the West by focusing on the leader the late Great United States of America. His tag and release is to prevent some of us from keeping the torch of freedom alive. This is all about the death of freedoms and the west!

This was all prophesized, but HE is not THE anti Christ, just one of many enablers. If you notice, our age old enemies are now his best friends who he readily sidles up to. Combine this with we are not a Christian nation?
All this equals workings which are contrary to the things that made the west the free industrialized west. Thigs like the the birth, life, death and resurrection of Christ, the christian crusades, the industrial revolution, the advancement of the G7.
His framework and friends never participated in those thingies....well, yes, they were at the crusades.

Somebody needs to find a birth certificate to disqualify him from the office, NOW!


31 posted on 06/17/2009 11:12:23 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: XeniaSt
Ping
32 posted on 06/17/2009 11:15:09 AM PDT by 444Flyer (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.--Orwell)
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To: Ro_Thunder

While I’m leary of declaring the end times are upon us (because nobody knows the time or day), I think it is significant that we live in a time when all of the wild predictions made in the Bible about the end times actually make sense (at least for a technology standpoint.)

When America was founded just over 200 years ago, a one-world government was a technological impossibility (due to the communication barriers if for no other reason.) They must have read the Bible and thought “how the heck could that ever come about?” Today, I can communicate with someone on the other side of the world as easily as someone down the street using the internet.

As far as being forced to take the mark, (imho) the mark is an outward sign of an inward spiritual decision. It will have to involve some type of oath that denies God for it to be damning.

For people that know their history, remember how soon after gaining power Hitler had all military personnel retake their oath. Their original oath had them swear to protect Germany. The new oath had them swear loyalty to Hitler (literally, German soliders were required to not swear loyalty to their country, but loyalty to Adolf Hitler. They actually used his name in the oath.)

Given that I’m starting to lean towards the idea that the antichrist will be a muslim, and the world false religion will be Islam, I can see an oath that requires people to swear loyalty to Islam and deny any other God (as requirement to get the mark) being the spiritual side of the mark.


33 posted on 06/17/2009 11:16:35 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Obama hasn't just open Pandora's box, he has thrown us inside and closed the lid.)
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To: LTC.Ret

It used to be that you did not get a social security number until you applied for it when you were getting your first job. Now babies are assigned one by the hospital, whether the parent wants it or not.


34 posted on 06/17/2009 11:18:44 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: LTC.Ret

Video - Joe Biden discusses mandatory microchip implant

http://ignoranceisfutile.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/obamas-vp-joe-biden-promised-mandatory-microchip-implant-supreme-court-ruling/


35 posted on 06/17/2009 11:20:50 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: LTC.Ret; Quix
“Mint” of the Beast @
http://www.islamicmint.com/islamicdinar/index.html

Revelation 13
1 Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/world_maps/muslim_distribution.jpg

blasphemous name (Allah) on the heads!

Clip:

In the year 75 (695 CE) the Khalifah Abdalmalik ordered Al-Hajjaj to mint the first dirhams, thus he established officially the standard of Umar Ibn al-Khattab. In the next year he ordered the dirhams to be minted in all the regions of the Dar al-Islam. He ordered that the coins be stamped with the sentence: "Allah is Unique, Allah is Eternal". He ordered the removal of human figures and animals from the coins and that they be replaced with letters.

http://www.islamicmint.com/islamicdinar/history.html

10 nations See: Psalm 83

As always there’s lots more!

36 posted on 06/17/2009 11:21:02 AM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (What would John Lennon do?)
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To: LTC.Ret
There is nothing in the article that says that the Feds or obama are pushing this....nothing.

Maybe kouri went crazy waiting for the michelle tapes to arrive from Africa.

37 posted on 06/17/2009 11:22:44 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Ro_Thunder

They do worship the beast already. How many people see the Government as their savior? Chip implanted for your convenience, look to the Government instead of God to take care of you. Game Over.


38 posted on 06/17/2009 11:28:45 AM PDT by Eric45
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To: LTC.Ret
There are allot of prophecy web sites on the Internet, some good, some bad, some very bad. One of the good ones, Rapture Ready, is one of the largest prophecy sites on the Internet.

http://www.raptureready.com/

39 posted on 06/17/2009 11:31:20 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: LTC.Ret; Alex Murphy
I posted this in January. Could no longer locate it on Google.

“Commentary: Dissecting the Obama signature”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2165608/posts

From the article:

“Whether Obama does it consciously or unconsciously by intersecting his “O” and his “b” he forms the Greek symbol “phi”.”

Now check this out if you follow the connection:
“The sign of the Devil and the Sine of the Devil (University of Chicago 1994)”
http://www.swarthmore.edu/NatSci/swang1/Publications/jrecmath1994.pdf

40 posted on 06/17/2009 11:38:23 AM PDT by 444Flyer (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.--Orwell)
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To: LTC.Ret

It’s kinda scary for me since I have chronic illnesses, but I’m aware of the danger and if God calls me home because I can’t get care, what do I have to lose? I worry more about my family.


41 posted on 06/17/2009 11:39:10 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: KoRn; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...
...but eventually every human being in the US, Mexico and Canada will be required to have the microchip implants if only to keep track of them and their activities...

I sure hope the IEEE can agree on a standard before this initiative starts.



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42 posted on 06/17/2009 11:42:20 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead
"I sure hope the IEEE can agree on a standard before this initiative starts."

I say we stick with 802.11. It's common and can interface on virtually any device with wireless capabilities.

43 posted on 06/17/2009 11:44:50 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Brookhaven
Given that I’m starting to lean towards the idea that the antichrist will be a muslim, and the world false religion will be Islam, I can see an oath that requires people to swear loyalty to Islam and deny any other God (as requirement to get the mark) being the spiritual side of the mark.

Hmmmmm - now that's a very astute and interesting observation. Particularly the part that says you must swear loyalty to Islam, i.e., false god, in order to get the mark. I had never thought of it that way!

44 posted on 06/17/2009 11:53:10 AM PDT by conservativegramma ((No taxation without constitutional representation!))
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To: LTC.Ret

I’m not exactly an end-of-the-world conspiracy theorist, Revelation related or otherwise. Seems to me that the “mark of the beast” should be something more spiritually connected, a sign of worship, not just an RFID tag that pulls up medical records and ATM accounts. Seems a little pedestrian for a full-blown antichrist.

But if Obama suffers some kind of injury and ends up with a great big scar on his head... I’m outta here. :-)


45 posted on 06/17/2009 11:57:08 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: bamahead
...but eventually every human being in the US, Mexico and Canada will be required to have the microchip implants if only to keep track of them and their activities

I suggest they be placed on the right hand or the forehead, and why limit these marks to just U.S, Mexico and Canada. Surely, the whole world will eventually need them (REV 13:16).

46 posted on 06/17/2009 12:03:28 PM PDT by meandog (Doh!)
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To: ElayneJ

Two states, No Dakota being one of them, have already passed legislation to ban microchips in humans, but if it becomes fed law (which I would expect under Zero) then that goes out the window.


47 posted on 06/17/2009 12:25:19 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: long hard slogger; FormerACLUmember; Harrius Magnus; hocndoc; parousia; Hydroshock; skippermd; ...


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48 posted on 06/17/2009 12:43:57 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: B-Chan

I don’t think that a chip implanted without the knowledge or consent of the recipient can be held against them in any way. I do not think that any child who has not reached the age of knowledge and accountability would be held responsible in any way either. I don’t think anyone captured who receives a physically forced chip is accountable. And I don’t think it matters which hand the chip is in.

That said, if you KNEW that you had to fill out and sign the forms to get chipped in order to get health care, and did it anyway thinking that if you didn’t actually READ the forms you signed you wouldn’t be held accountable for the oath of allegiance buried within the application -— I’m not sure that would fly on judgment day.

I think it’s going to get down to a choice of something we really want or need, versus going without in order not to take the mark. And I’m not saying the chip IS the mark, I’m just saying that it kinda looks that way to me, and has for a very long time.

That said, IF the chip is the MARK, and IF this is in fact the end times -— even so come quickly Lord Jesus!

IF not, I’ll just keep watching and waiting.


49 posted on 06/17/2009 12:49:28 PM PDT by LTC.Ret (I didn't spend 31 years in the Army to see my USA turn socialist!)
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To: woollyone

Will check it out.

Thx.


50 posted on 06/17/2009 12:53:58 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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