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God "Rejoices" over Abortions Says Episcopal Priestess
LifeSiteNews.com -- Your Life, Family and Culture Outpost ^ | Wednesday June 24, 2009 | By Peter J. Smith

Posted on 06/25/2009 1:13:16 AM PDT by topher

Wednesday June 24, 2009


God "Rejoices" over Abortions Says Episcopal Priestess

By Peter J. Smith

DENVER, Colorado, June 24, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Episcopal Church has to clarify God's official position on abortion - at least so says a priestess of the church, who claims that a proposed rite for post-abortive women conflicts with church theology and that the Deity "rejoices" when women elect to abort their children.

Rev. Nina Churchman wrote a letter to Episcopal Life Online expressing her outrage upon learning that her church has developed a healing rite for post-abortion women sorrowful over their abortion that seems to have language alluding to "sin" and "guilt."

Churchman said she "was sickened to discover that the rite for abortion is couched wholly in terms of sin and transgression." 

The priestess also took particular umbrage with the words, "I seek God's forgiveness" and the words "God rejoices that you have come seeking God's merciful forgiveness."

"The Episcopal Church, by resolution, has long held that women have the freedom to choose an abortion," asserted Churchman. "It is not considered a sin."

The Episcopal Church's "long held" position permitting abortion dates back to 1967, when the church began to lobby for abortion in limited cases (i.e. rape, incest, fetal deformity, health of the mother), which by 1994 had become a full-blown defense of a right to an abortion. The church's previous position on abortion, had lasted much longer. As late as 1958 the church had expressed an unequivocal defense of over 1900 years of Christian tradition against abortion, stating, "Abortion and infanticide are to be condemned."

"Women should be able to mourn the loss of an aborted fetus without having to confess anything," declared Churchman.

"God, unlike what the liturgy states, also rejoices that women facing unplanned pregnancies have the freedom to carefully choose the best option - birth, adoption or abortion - for themselves and their families."

"The wording of this liturgy focuses solely on guilt and sin instead of the grief and healing that may accompany a very difficult but appropriate decision to terminate a pregnancy," said Churchman.

Instead Churchman expressed her determination that the church should reject the rite at the next General Convention and do away with the references to "sin" and "guilt."

The proposed post-abortion healing service had been the idea of Georgette Forney, president of Anglicans for Life, who had obtained an abortion when she was 16. Forney had asked the church to create a healing service for women like herself seeking healing, and the Episcopal General Convention had approved the development of the project.

The result was a rite addressing "the pastoral needs of women and men and who have experienced miscarriage, abortion or other trauma in the childbearing or childbirth process" in a book called, "Rachel's Tears, Hannah's Hopes: Liturgies and Prayers for Healing from Loss Related to Childbearing and Childbirth." 

The 2009 General Convention of the Episcopal Church will consider and vote on the rite when it convenes July 8-17 in Anaheim, California.


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TOPICS: Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: abortion; dncfalseprophets; falseprophets; heresy; molechworship; priestess; prolife
I guess I am at a loss on her term "long held position".

Until King Henry VIII started killing Bishops over his Divorces (and killing of his wives), I guess in King Henry's time, things were a "long held position" -- if it agreed with King Henry (when he was alive).

For the sake of the Episcopal Church, I pray that this person is not influential, and will break away from that church and form her own "priestess/abortion movement"...

1 posted on 06/25/2009 1:13:17 AM PDT by topher
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To: topher
I am at a loss when there is "Christian Theology" that says abortion is okay.

I understand that something can get down to either the life of the mother or the unborn baby, but the wisdom of Solomon says to split the baby down the middle (using that old story)...

Maybe someone on the Theology side can enlighten me on this subject as to when Christians can be involved in abortions...

2 posted on 06/25/2009 1:16:12 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: topher

This person does not worship the God of Christianity


3 posted on 06/25/2009 1:19:51 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: topher
I pray that this person is not influential,

probably not, but she is simply reiterating her denominations stance on the issue

4 posted on 06/25/2009 1:21:32 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: topher
....so says a priestess of the church, ....the Deity "rejoices" when women elect to abort their children... Rev. Nina Churchman wrote a letter to.....

Oh, wait, I get it ..... this is a sendup, right? You guys are pulling our leg, right?

5 posted on 06/25/2009 1:29:42 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: topher
>"the Deity "rejoices" when women elect to abort their children. "

Their deity does. But then again they worship satan!

Oh Yeah

Thank You Satan 1:50

6 posted on 06/25/2009 1:43:47 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (<P>Oh Yeah<P><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajsov1M4h50"> Thank You Satan 1:50</a>)
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To: topher

I’m not religious, but I believe GOD has a little something about this in the 10 Commandments—Do not carry GOD’s name in vain.


7 posted on 06/25/2009 1:44:16 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: topher

I am an Episcopalian and I have never heard of “Priestesses” in this religion.
The only “Priestesses” I ever heard of were related to Voodoo.
Anyway, it doesn’t matter, I attend the Roman Catholic Church with my husband, and have for quite some time.
There are too many issues, this being just another, that keep me from returning to the Episcopal Church.


8 posted on 06/25/2009 1:47:11 AM PDT by siamesecats
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To: topher

Uhhh Lady thats not what God says !!!

Proverbs 6:16 - 19...

16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

God hates the hands that shed innocent blood!!!

Does the Episcopal Church leadership make up their own rules as they go along?


9 posted on 06/25/2009 2:29:17 AM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: topher

Whod’ve ever thought that priestesses would lead to paganism? /sarc


10 posted on 06/25/2009 3:21:53 AM PDT by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA or lose reelection)
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To: topher


11 posted on 06/25/2009 3:57:10 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - Obama is basically Jim Jones with a teleprompter)
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To: lentulusgracchus

God rejoices when you kill an fetus??

Lady I dont know what to call you al lot of words come to mind, none of them pretty, but Lady—you aint no minister of the God I believe in.


12 posted on 06/25/2009 4:00:34 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: topher

Priestess ????????
Sounds like an abortion cult, complete with a stone alter where they cut human hearts from the living bodies of their victims.


13 posted on 06/25/2009 4:09:13 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Obama's printed so much currency that he's the envy of counterfeiters and con men everywhere.)
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To: topher

Thou shall not kill.

—God.


14 posted on 06/25/2009 4:12:23 AM PDT by exit82 (Be vigilant--what is happening on Iran's streets may yet happen here in America.)
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To: beaversmom

Wow, at last, someone who really understands the commandment not to take the Lord’s name in vain! Kudos to you.


15 posted on 06/25/2009 4:33:30 AM PDT by badbass
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To: topher

I’m so sorry. My best childhood friend’s father was an Episcopal priest and in no way did their beliefs vary from Protestant orthodoxy as the chimera today masquerading as Christianity.

This woman’s statment is simply wicked. There is no other possible explanation.

Job 10:8 ‘Your hands fashioned and made me altogether, And would You destroy me?

Psalm 63:9 But those who seek my life to destroy it, Will go into the depths of the earth.

Ecclesiastes 11:5 Just as you do not know the path of the wind and how bones are formed in the womb of the pregnant woman, so you do not know the activity of God who makes all things

Psalm 139:15 My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth;

Psalm 139:16 Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them.

Isaiah 49:1 Listen to Me, O islands, And pay attention, you peoples from afar. The LORD called Me from the womb; From the body of My mother He named Me.

Isaiah 49:5 And now the LORD says—he who formed me in the womb to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather Israel to himself, for I am honored in the eyes of the LORD and my God has been my strength—


16 posted on 06/25/2009 4:35:56 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Those embryos are little humans in progress. Using them for profit is slavery.)
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To: topher

These people consider themselves Christians ??????
Guess I had better read my Bible from front to back again cause I seem to have missed the section where it stated that God rejoiced in the slaughter of the innocent.


17 posted on 06/25/2009 4:38:49 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: topher

“...”the pastoral needs of women and men and who have experienced miscarriage, abortion or other trauma in the childbearing or childbirth process””

How can they lump miscarriage and birth trauma which are accidental with abortion which is a deliberate sin?

That I had two miscarriages calls for healing from grief, not repentence from sin.


18 posted on 06/25/2009 4:41:19 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Those embryos are little humans in progress. Using them for profit is slavery.)
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To: topher

I think the real story here is that the Episcopal Church passed an official position in 1994 to defend the RIGHT to have an abortion.


19 posted on 06/25/2009 4:43:21 AM PDT by georgiagirl_pam
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To: topher
The priestess needs to spend more time scrutinizing her Bible.

"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter." --Isaiah 5:20

"He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous, Both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD." -- Proverbs 17:15

Recent research: Abortion's harm to women

20 posted on 06/25/2009 4:49:22 AM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: topher

What do the Druids have to say about abortion?


21 posted on 06/25/2009 4:52:58 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: rawcatslyentist

Molech. They sacrificed children to Molech, back in ancient times.


22 posted on 06/25/2009 5:43:07 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.)
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To: Venturer

and she’s no lady


23 posted on 06/25/2009 5:44:07 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.)
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To: badbass

Even someone who is not religious can quote the Bible, but there’s no real understanding of it or of God If one understood God and His words, one would not be “not religious”


24 posted on 06/25/2009 5:46:36 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.)
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To: Chode

“Oh, Me, not this s**t again!”

25 posted on 06/25/2009 5:48:00 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: siamesecats

Unfortunately when these “preistess” are given any credibility, this leads to further splits in the church.


26 posted on 06/25/2009 5:49:42 AM PDT by Texas resident (Texan by birth and by choice.)
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To: GeronL

I think she worships Moloch, or Ba’al.


27 posted on 06/25/2009 5:51:06 AM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: Shimmer1

I’m sorry, I just can’t understand what you are saying, perhaps mostly due to punctuation. Can you say that again?


28 posted on 06/25/2009 7:43:47 AM PDT by badbass
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To: topher

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2278310/posts?page=37#37


29 posted on 06/25/2009 8:00:02 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: topher
Lurking at lib boards has convinced me not only do many of them believe the same as this “person” but I get the impression they also think they'll get prizes for supporting abortion.
30 posted on 06/25/2009 8:04:52 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: badbass

You want me to try to write that out again??????? heeheehee


31 posted on 06/25/2009 9:21:51 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.)
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To: badbass

Forgive me, I just had my nails done and I didn’t hit the . because my fingertip slipped off the key


32 posted on 06/25/2009 9:23:55 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.)
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To: topher

Wow
Just wow.


33 posted on 06/25/2009 9:24:39 AM PDT by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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To: badbass

:) Thanks to Dennis Prager—I learned that by listening to his radio show.


34 posted on 06/25/2009 10:32:06 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: RichInOC
exactly...
35 posted on 06/25/2009 2:43:45 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - Obama is basically Jim Jones with a teleprompter)
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To: lentulusgracchus
I think it is one of God's jokes... That names have meanings.

Such as when the Democrats lost their [Gary] Hart [heart] over the {Donna] Rice issue...

That SDI (or "Star Wars") was all about Ronnie's Ray-Gun (Ronald Reagan)...

What exactly is Clinton's folly...

Or where's George... He is hiding in a Bush since he used to be head of the CIA...

How God gives us clever plays on people's name that have a ring of truth to them...

I will just say that I would not touch Clinton's folly...

36 posted on 06/25/2009 6:07:50 PM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: siamesecats
I will pray for the Episcopal Church.

I hope all Christians will "walk the walk" Jesus wants us to...

37 posted on 06/25/2009 6:11:38 PM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Chode

Your picture of Jesus in agony is certainly true of today with all the sin...


38 posted on 06/25/2009 6:13:32 PM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: OpusatFR

Other “good” Episcopal priests/leaders should condemn her severely — so that no one will consider her evil and bad example...


39 posted on 06/25/2009 6:15:19 PM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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