Posted on 06/27/2009 10:01:54 AM PDT by Salvation
How Old Is Your Church?If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex- monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517. If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry. If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560. If you are a Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century. If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582. If you are a Methodist, your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744. If you are a Unitarian, Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in 1774. If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829. If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1605. If you are of the Dutch Reformed church, you recognize Michaelis Jones as founder, because he originated your religion in New York in 1628. If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865. If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy as its founder. If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as 'Church of the Nazarene," "Pentecostal Gospel." "Holiness Church," "Pilgrim Holiness Church," "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past century. If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church. |
She didn't say Roman Catholicism and didn't mean Roman Catholicsim.
She said Catholics, in the Catholic Church.
“If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.”Seem rather petty (nay, even arrogant) to me, squabbling over who has the older or better religion and whatnot.
A preacher has no more authority than anybody else. ALL authority is held by Christ. (Matthew 28:18) If the guy didn't give book, chapter and verse in support of his position, I would not worry about what he said. We all would be well-served to search the scriptures for ourselves and not accept any religious claims without scriptural proof.
Repeating a claim does not prove it.
But history does.
“a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven”
Umm...if I forgive someone, I don’t impose temporal punishment. If it removes punishment, then it removes the consequences of sin.
All those monks’ properties to plunder.
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What would Catholic monks, sworn to poverty, be doing owning “properties” ????
Then show the history. But to do that, you would have to show that Christ installed Peter as head of the Church - which all other denominations deny.
Based on scripture and history, I deny it as well. Acts 15:
“12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the miraculous signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up...19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.”
Interesting. Peter was there, yet it was James who made the decision, based on testimony from Paul & Peter both.
It would seem history denies Peter was Numero Uno in the Church.
“Where in the Scriptures does Christ talk about having a "personal relationship" with anyone?”If you need to use quotes, then why did you ask the question?
One of the problems with evangelical Christianity is that we have perverted the meaning of Revelations 3. We talk of inviting Christ into our lives, when what we need is to be born again - to die with Christ to sin, and live with Christ as a new creation.
HArdly ignorant — Baptists, Christian Scientists, both coming up with their own spin on things, so both the same. Neither are orthodox and both seem vaguel gnostic
We used to have lots of fun with CofC people here in the past. They haven’t been around in quite a while.
As a lutheran pastor, you need to be working to bring your flock into The Church instead of being outside.
AMEN!
>>Hopefully you have seen my posts stating that a Christian’s ( Protestant and Catholic) **most** important mission is his **own** children. He second most important mission is the children of his congregation or parish.<<
Amen.
I was lead to Homeschool and I love it!
As I said before, you are too ignorant to debate.
That is true, there is the catholic church, but that is not the same as the Roman Catholic Church. They are two different things
I figured you couldn’t come up with an answer. Nice dodge, though. ;)
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