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How Old Is Your Church?
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Posted on 06/27/2009 10:01:54 AM PDT by Salvation

How Old Is Your Church?

If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex- monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.

If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.

If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.

If you are a Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century.

If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.

If you are a Methodist, your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.

If you are a Unitarian, Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in 1774.

If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829.

If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1605.

If you are of the Dutch Reformed church, you recognize Michaelis Jones as founder, because he originated your religion in New York in 1628.

If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.

If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.

If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as 'Church of the Nazarene," "Pentecostal Gospel." "Holiness Church," "Pilgrim Holiness Church," "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past century.

If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: bs; catholic; catholiclist; dogma; flamebait
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To: Salvation

There will not be “Catholics”, “Methodist” or “Baptists” in heaven. Only Christians.

It is of little importance how old “your” church is. It is important that “the” church is.


21 posted on 06/27/2009 10:22:04 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (The last time I looked, this is still Texas where I live.)
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To: Salvation

someone looking for a religious fight. yipeeeee. whatever Jesus actually founded, I’m sure he did not intend it to look like the monstrosity that is the RCC today with all its false doctrines, salvation for sale, and open hypocrisy. I mean really, I can be just as shallow as the next guy when discussing such things.


22 posted on 06/27/2009 10:22:18 AM PDT by bethelgrad (Chaplain serving my beloved Marine Corps in Iraq)
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To: Salvation

The Catholic Church isn’t any different or any better then any of the other sects of the church.

We could always ask how many people were burned at the stake by Baptists vs Catholics, lowest number wins.


23 posted on 06/27/2009 10:23:32 AM PDT by stockpirate (Obama, King of the Fascists of the United Fascist States of America, )UFSA)
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To: Salvation

You can’t possibly say with a straight face the Catholic Church has not changed since 33 AD


24 posted on 06/27/2009 10:24:29 AM PDT by Popman (Joe Biden REALLY can't be Vice President, can he ?)
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To: bethelgrad

Hey, I was asked to post it. This is not a fight. Just a look at the facts.


25 posted on 06/27/2009 10:25:32 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation

Actually, that is not exactly true. Catholics count Peter as the first Pope, based on a misinterpretation of gospel where Christ asked his disciples a momentous question: “Whom do men say that I am?” (Matt. 16: 13). The disciples reported what others said as to Jesus’ identity (vs. 14). However, Jesus placed the focus on them, “But whom say ye that I am? (vs. 15). Peter then confidently answered: “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God” (vs. 16). Jesus then commends Peter and confirms Peter’s answer (vs. 17). Jesus then enunciated: “And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (vs. 18).
Some contend Peter was the rock upon “which” Jesus would build his church. The word “Peter” (petros) does mean stone. Peter was a mere man. Peter stood in the way of Jesus’ sacrificial offering, denied the Lord, and sinned publicly (Matt. 16: 21-23, 26: 69-75, Gal. 2: 11-14). Does the church rest on Peter, a man? Back to “upon this rock.” When Jesus said, “upon this rock I will build my church…,” he used a different word in the original (”rock” here is petra).
“Upon this rock,” identifies Jesus as the foundation of the church, not Peter. Jesus is also the head of the church and the savior of the body (Eph. 5: 23).
I don’t think any body that has been responsible for the death and persecution of thousands of dissenters and collaborated with Mussolini and Hitler during WWII should claim to be the “true church”.
This isn’t a rap on individual Catholics, including the one I married.


26 posted on 06/27/2009 10:25:50 AM PDT by Ikemeister
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Really persuasive, aren’t they?

Evangelism by taunting. Good luck with that.

Too bad we don’t have any Coptics here to take up that challenge. People so convinced of their righteousness tend to find each other intolerable.


27 posted on 06/27/2009 10:26:29 AM PDT by Uriah_lost (Is there no balm in Gilead?....)
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To: Salvation

“Find the dates.....this is a fact thread!”

More like an infantile opinion thread. Please show me where Jesus taught about indulgences, or said his mother was born sinless, and lived that way.

Not where your sect teaches it, but where Jesus said it.


28 posted on 06/27/2009 10:28:24 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: conservative cat

i’ve said it before and will say it again — you guys who join The Church not as cradle Catholics are a gift from God. You enrich The Church and bring God and all of us joy. Thank you!!


29 posted on 06/27/2009 10:30:21 AM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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To: Salvation
Hilarious to see people squabble over imaginary, non-existent, man-made nonsense.
30 posted on 06/27/2009 10:30:28 AM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: Ikemeister

YOPIOS

Your
Own
Personal
Interpretation
Of
Scripture


31 posted on 06/27/2009 10:30:58 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Mr Rogers; Salvation

That last phrase should be amended to “If you are Apostolic....” as The Church consists of Catholic, Orthodox, Oriental and Assyrian branches.


32 posted on 06/27/2009 10:31:35 AM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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To: Ikemeister

You neglect to mention ‘the keys’ in the following verse, but it is not like your mind isn’t already made up so I won’t waste time pointing out the holes in your interpetations.


33 posted on 06/27/2009 10:32:28 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (To those who believe the world was safer with Saddam, get treatment for that!)
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To: DManA

Not really, the Methodists trace their founding to the Wesley brothers and their “revival”


34 posted on 06/27/2009 10:32:37 AM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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To: Salvation

This is a cute slogan, but it is factually not true. I’ve seen the same slogan on Eastern Orthodox bumper stickers. I can’t think of a single church historian, Catholic or Protestant, that would say that the Roman Catholic Church today is the same as in 33 A.D. First of all, there wasn’t any Roman Catholic Churches in 33 A.D.

I’m sure this will start another discussion upon which denomination is the true denomination. It will be another pissing contest. FR is not an appropriate forum for discussions on theological matters such as these. No one is going to be convinced or persuaded that they are wrong and the other is right. It is simply a forum for people to beat their on chests about why they are what they are.


35 posted on 06/27/2009 10:33:45 AM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Blogger

There was a lot of debate about infant baptism in The Church — it raised a lot of questions about what happened to infants who died before being baptised (before modern medicine, many kids didn’t last to see their 5th birthdays). The early Church answered that pretty well..


36 posted on 06/27/2009 10:35:05 AM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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To: Cronos

What about those of us who leave and come back? ;) I have never been more excited about religious study in my life.


37 posted on 06/27/2009 10:36:25 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: Salvation

And the fact is that the the history of the RCC is also filled with numerous corrupt immoral episodes and popes who were greedy and anything but Christian. While Christ is the head of the church, man-created organizations like the RCC run by falable men and no one church has a monopoly on the truth.

Those are the facts.


38 posted on 06/27/2009 10:36:28 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Timocrat

The Eastern Orthodox, Oriental and Assyrian Churchs are one with the Catholic Church as part of the ONE Apostolic Church.


39 posted on 06/27/2009 10:37:48 AM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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To: Fiji Hill
I'm a Methodist, but John Wesley didn't die for my sins. Christ did.

That is the fundamental point. We don't worship a church, we worship a risen Savior. Unfortunately that point is often lost with the "high church" types...

40 posted on 06/27/2009 10:37:48 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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