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How Old Is Your Church?
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Posted on 06/27/2009 10:01:54 AM PDT by Salvation

How Old Is Your Church?

If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex- monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.

If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.

If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.

If you are a Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century.

If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.

If you are a Methodist, your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.

If you are a Unitarian, Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in 1774.

If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829.

If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1605.

If you are of the Dutch Reformed church, you recognize Michaelis Jones as founder, because he originated your religion in New York in 1628.

If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.

If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.

If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as 'Church of the Nazarene," "Pentecostal Gospel." "Holiness Church," "Pilgrim Holiness Church," "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past century.

If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.



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To: Salvation; lightman; Cletus.D.Yokel; bcsco
If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex- monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.

Not really. We Lutherans hold that we believe, teach, and confess the true catholic faith, which the Roman church had gotten away from.

41 posted on 06/27/2009 10:38:23 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: Salvation

Thanks for your post Salvation.

I hope you have your fire suit ready!

My former church the so-called “Church of Christ” got around this by saying there was a hidden underground church since the time of Christ.

I don’t know how those idiots in the public Church came up with the right books to include in the bible however.

And since the Church never had the authority to make decisions, what about the “Gospel of Judas”?

I should ask that when I see my former church pastor.


42 posted on 06/27/2009 10:39:08 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (To those who believe the world was safer with Saddam, get treatment for that!)
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To: stockpirate

The Church isn’t a sect — the sects are the small cults outside The Church. And these don’t really last — if you see the first gasp of Protestants like the lutherans, Anglicans, Calvinists, they’re dying out. The second gasp like Unitarians, Presbyterians are dying out faster. The third gasp includes Christian Scientists, Baptists etc. The fourth being the most virulent strain are Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses etc....


43 posted on 06/27/2009 10:39:49 AM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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44 posted on 06/27/2009 10:42:06 AM PDT by kimmie7 (THE CROSS - Today, Tomorrow and Always!)
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To: HungarianGypsy
Welcome back! You bring your own unique experiences to The Church -- why did you leave? And why did you come back? The answers to those questions will help The Church.

I think many leave because The Church is not doing a good job of TEACHING our people about the early Church fathers, the debates, the basic core of The Bible etc. We can learn from Evangelicals on this -- what do you think?
45 posted on 06/27/2009 10:42:40 AM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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To: Texas Fossil

Actually there will be at least one Jew in Heaven and that Jew is Jesus Christ. He lived as a Jew and died as a Jew.


46 posted on 06/27/2009 10:43:14 AM PDT by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf the unborn)
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To: Salvation

I gave you facts. The fact that the RCC burned all the literature doesn’t now give the RCC the right to claim that they weren’t there. Stanislaus Hosius may or may not have said we were around for 1200 years, but he did equate the early Donatists to being Anabaptists and put anabaptists around Augustine’s era.

Anabaptists were not a unified grouping (just as Catholics aren’t today as you have strict latin rite Catholics, charismatic Catholics, liberal Catholics etc.,). But there were those whose beliefs were like Modern Baptists in groups such as the Waldensians, Donatists, Paulicians etc. We may not always have had the name, but we have been in existence since the beginning and the Apostles were in fact baptizers of adult believers.

Acts 8

36And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.


47 posted on 06/27/2009 10:44:36 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: Charles Henrickson
But it was still founded by Luther, correct?

Also, Luther initially started off talking about removing the corruption within The Church -- something that he could have done WITHIN the Church, like St. Francis had done centuries earlier. I don't believe that Luther's later doctrinal changes were more than expediency and I also do believe that he was unduly influenced by north Germanic princes who wanted a cause to fight the Holy Roman Emperor.
48 posted on 06/27/2009 10:45:19 AM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

And so there was. Who the heck do you think the Catholics were burning at the stake? Read Foxes Book of Martyrs.


49 posted on 06/27/2009 10:45:31 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: Cronos

Baptists answer it better.

#1, there is NO BIBLICAL EVIDENCE for infant Baptism - period. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Saying “and his house” is going beyond what Scripture actually says. Inadmissible because that isn’t evidence, that is eisegesis.

#2, Baptism is not a prerequisite for Salvation. It is a picture of what Christ did for you and a testimony of your faith in Him to the world AFTER you are saved. David’s baby immediately went to heaven which is where all babies go. No need for theological nuancing. Just go with what Scripture says and you are fine.


50 posted on 06/27/2009 10:48:33 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: Salvation

Hmmm... what does the Bible have to say about this?

Paul writes, in 1 Corinthians 1:

10I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought. 11My brothers, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 12What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas[a]”; still another, “I follow Christ.”
13Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into[b] the name of Paul? 14I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. 16(Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.) 17For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.


51 posted on 06/27/2009 10:49:38 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: Scanian

Trail of Blood is a good book, but you have to be careful about some of his claims. Some of them can not be verified today. Some of them aren’t clarified enough and can lead to Baptists being linked with some heretical groups as well.


52 posted on 06/27/2009 10:50:21 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

**I hope you have your fire suit ready!**

Yes, it’s on. LOL!


53 posted on 06/27/2009 10:50:54 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: LottieDah

“Actually there will be at least one Jew in Heaven”

No argument.

I was addressing the Denomination thing.

I thought about that as I posted, but the discussion seemed to be about Christian Churches. The Jews in Israel have no better friend in the world than the Evangelical Christians in the West, especially in the U.S.

The Old Testament (Tanakh) is from your people.

We are in this together until the end.

We fight the same enemy, and worship the same God. Our perspective is different, but we should not be divided.

We have free will, and ultimately are responsible for our own decisions.

Respectfully,

TF


54 posted on 06/27/2009 10:51:46 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (The last time I looked, this is still Texas where I live.)
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To: LottieDah

How about Moses and Elijah, also Enoch?


55 posted on 06/27/2009 10:52:43 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: csmusaret

5000 years or a littl over


56 posted on 06/27/2009 10:52:58 AM PDT by classified
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To: Fiji Hill

I don’t understand your point. Catholics don’t worship the Pope either. So what?


57 posted on 06/27/2009 10:53:37 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Salvation
If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus

Big deal! We go back to Abraham, about 1900 years before that.

ML/NJ

58 posted on 06/27/2009 10:54:06 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Blogger
Baptists don't answer it at all:
1. Naturally there's no Biblical evidence for infant baptism because The NT only talks about the time just after Christ when Christianity was a new religion and all the converts would naturally not be infants. Though what about the stories of the entire centurion's family being baptised? Just because there is no biblical words that say infant baptism took place doesn't mean it didn't happen. The Bible doesn't talk about the Chinese Emperors nor the Mayans but that doesn't mean it didn't happen
59 posted on 06/27/2009 10:54:30 AM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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To: Salvation

It’s interesting reading some of the posts on this thread talk about how it doesn’t matter ... all were started in 33AD .... there are no denominations in heaven ... etc. Yet there are so many theological arguments on FR.

Either it doesn’t matter or it does ... can’t have it both ways, folks.


60 posted on 06/27/2009 10:55:03 AM PDT by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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