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Posted on 06/27/2009 10:01:54 AM PDT by Salvation
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“All the breakaway sects that came have decayed and withered away”
The Orthodox and Oriental Churchs are part of the same Apostolic Church with the CAtholic Churchs (all the Catholic churchs including the Latin, Syro-Malabar, Maronite etc)
Re: “Where is the Lutherans? They’ve split and split again. What about the Anglicans? They’ve spawned the Methodists, Wesleyans, Salvation Army etc. What about Calvinists? Prebyterians, Reformed, Reformed Again etc. groups”
Beats me — my family tried them all out — went from Lutheran to Presbyterian to Methodist et al. I don’t participate so don’t know the differences but depending upon the particular congregation, they can’t all be that different if people jump back and forth as they do. A cousin joined PC USA. What is that?
***The New Testament does not say anything about the location of baptism or the identity of the administrator making any difference.***
I asked a CofC preacher once if Eastern Orthodox Christians were saved since they practiced immersion baptism. he said NO, because one of his CofC preachers did not do the dipping.
There are about five (4) Cof C churches here. Each claims to be the “corect” one.
Sunday School CofC,
No sunday School or kitchen CofC
Christian Church with (gasp)music!
One cup CofC. No individual communion cups.
Oh, really? I recall visiting the St. Louis Cathedral Basilica in the year 2000 and seeing brochures there for a "Jubilee Indulgence" your pope was promoting.
And besides actual indulgences, there still remains the underlying error on the doctrine of justification, which shows up in a number of Roman practices.
“I would lump Baptists, Christian scientists together...”
You prove yourself too ignorant to debate.
Your argument consists of “I’m right, you’re wrong, and that proves I’m right.”
Please don’t be surprised if you don’t convince a lot of people...
I believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church. And as a Lutheran pastor, I have no doubts about my ordination.
I’m not trying to convince anyone. Only educate them.
Only educate them.
Then they can make their own decisions.
If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.
No “restoration” has been necessary ????
How can you be a Lutheran pastor? I just read that “All the breakaway sects that came have decayed and withered away.”
The mistake you make is calling it the Roman Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church was founded by Christ, circa AD 33.
If you wish to educate, you need to learn first. Saying, “We consider you heretics, and that proves it is so” doesn’t quite qualify.
Meaning to rebaptise...
First time as babies with Christening...
and then full dunking as adults and believers...
The AnaBaptists were around before Luther...
Plus some other groups..
Yes! The Catholic Church.
...man-created organizations like the RCC run by falable men...
Perhaps the RCC is, but the head of the Catholic Church is Christ.
...and no one church has a monopoly on the truth.
Christ promised differently.
Or, read a non-biased, factual, authentic history book.
“Yup, it made mistakes — but as a community formed by Christ himself, it survived that just like it’s survived other things in 2000 years. There were earlier reforms done remember st. Francis? The fact that The Church survives DESPITE some really wrong people at the helm indicates that it has God’s favor. All the breakaway sects that came have decayed and withered away.”
Speaking of St Francis - St Frances De Sales wrote:
“Tertullian excellently says: (3) “Error is a corruption of truth, truth then must precede.” The good seed is sown first, the enemy who oversows cockle comes afterwards. Moses was before Abiron, Dathan, and Core; the Angels were before the devils; Lucifer stood in the light before he fell into the eternal darkness; the privation must follow the form. S. John says of heretics (I Ep. xix. 19): They went out from us; they were then within before they went out; the going out is heresy, the being within is fidelity; the Church then precedes heresy. So the coat of Our Lord was made whole before it was divided. And although Ismael was before Isaac, that does not signify that error was before truth, but that the true shadow, Judaism, was before the body, Christianity, as S. Paul says (Gal. iv.) - S. Francis De Sales -
Trail of Blood ???
What is that book about ???
Catholic Church has more than one definition.
Roman Catholic specifies what is meant. And repeating a claim (”The Catholic Church was founded by Christ, circa AD 33”) does not prove it.
A distinction without a difference, as "apostolic succession" in the True Church is what guarantees faithfulness to Christ's commands. Not Luther's or Cauvin's or Hubbard's.
Like Christ’s command to charge for indulgences...or to require good deeds to make up for bad ones.
No, Roman Catholicism wasn’t founded in 33 AD. Roman Catholicism was founded much later, in ... ROME.
The Church that Christ founded was founded in 33 AD, and includes all His followers, not just those who consider Rome its center.
Man, I hate those who diminish Christ in their efforts to promote their particular denomination. May Christ increase; may Rome decrease.
The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
The Creed I was taught as a child in the Anglican Church...
Don't forget financial!
All those monks' properties to plunder.
It does not refer to me or the Catholic Church as a whole, it refers to Catholics from Rome.
She didn't say Roman Catholicism and didn't mean Roman Catholicsim.
She said Catholics, in the Catholic Church.
If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.Seem rather petty (nay, even arrogant) to me, squabbling over who has the older or better religion and whatnot.
A preacher has no more authority than anybody else. ALL authority is held by Christ. (Matthew 28:18) If the guy didn't give book, chapter and verse in support of his position, I would not worry about what he said. We all would be well-served to search the scriptures for ourselves and not accept any religious claims without scriptural proof.
Repeating a claim does not prove it.
But history does.
“a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven”
Umm...if I forgive someone, I don’t impose temporal punishment. If it removes punishment, then it removes the consequences of sin.
All those monks’ properties to plunder.
What would Catholic monks, sworn to poverty, be doing owning “properties” ????
Then show the history. But to do that, you would have to show that Christ installed Peter as head of the Church - which all other denominations deny.
Based on scripture and history, I deny it as well. Acts 15:
“12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the miraculous signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up...19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.”
Interesting. Peter was there, yet it was James who made the decision, based on testimony from Paul & Peter both.
It would seem history denies Peter was Numero Uno in the Church.
Where in the Scriptures does Christ talk about having a "personal relationship" with anyone?If you need to use quotes, then why did you ask the question?
One of the problems with evangelical Christianity is that we have perverted the meaning of Revelations 3. We talk of inviting Christ into our lives, when what we need is to be born again - to die with Christ to sin, and live with Christ as a new creation.
HArdly ignorant — Baptists, Christian Scientists, both coming up with their own spin on things, so both the same. Neither are orthodox and both seem vaguel gnostic
We used to have lots of fun with CofC people here in the past. They haven’t been around in quite a while.
As a lutheran pastor, you need to be working to bring your flock into The Church instead of being outside.
>>Hopefully you have seen my posts stating that a Christian’s ( Protestant and Catholic) **most** important mission is his **own** children. He second most important mission is the children of his congregation or parish.<<
I was lead to Homeschool and I love it!
As I said before, you are too ignorant to debate.
That is true, there is the catholic church, but that is not the same as the Roman Catholic Church. They are two different things
I figured you couldn’t come up with an answer. Nice dodge, though. ;)