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How Old Is Your Church?
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Posted on 06/27/2009 10:01:54 AM PDT by Salvation

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To: Salvation

Paul wrote in Romans 3.

7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.


141 posted on 06/27/2009 12:44:02 PM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: netmilsmom

Personally, I am Catholic and I love my Protestant and Jewish Brothers and Sisters. I want all the infighting to stop.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

We need more solidarity, not less! I with you!


142 posted on 06/27/2009 12:45:48 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: Salvation

My Church was founded by God before the foundation of the earth.


143 posted on 06/27/2009 12:49:36 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Cronos

Yes, the pure Church founded alone by Jesus Christ somehow had started selling indulgences. Under pressure during the Reformation, it stopped selling them for cash.

It still teaches them, although, again, the whole idea seems to have been left out of Jesus’ teaching.

It is possible to have a serious and respectful discussion of the differences between us - but not on a thread that lumps Methodists, Lutherans, Baptists, Mormons and ‘Christian Scientists’ together.


144 posted on 06/27/2009 12:58:40 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Cronos

Bishops within the Lutheran and Anglican rites still have apostolic succession, they just broke away from the central authority emanating from the Bishop of Rome.....


145 posted on 06/27/2009 1:05:40 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

**they just broke away from the central authority emanating from the Bishop of Rome.....**

So they are no longer connected to the original apostles then, are they?


146 posted on 06/27/2009 1:07:44 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: P-Marlowe
My Church was founded by God before the foundation of the earth.

That had to be a big pain for mailing.

147 posted on 06/27/2009 1:09:46 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Salvation

timed for the Furth of July (fireworks)


148 posted on 06/27/2009 1:13:21 PM PDT by Puddleglum (http://www.phawkins.com)
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To: Mr Rogers
Yes, the pure Church founded alone by Jesus Christ somehow had started selling indulgences

Yup, it made mistakes -- but as a community formed by Christ himself, it survived that just like it's survived other things in 2000 years. There were earlier reforms done remember st. Francis? The fact that The Church survives DESPITE some really wrong people at the helm indicates that it has God's favor. All the breakaway sects that came have decayed and withered away.
149 posted on 06/27/2009 1:14:48 PM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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To: Salvation

Neither are the Orthodox or Coptic Churches. However, their bishops were still consecrated by those whose line of succession goes back directly to the 12 apostles.....


150 posted on 06/27/2009 1:16:22 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Mr Rogers
Methodists, Lutherans, Baptists, Mormons and ‘Christian Scientists’ together.

To me the only separating groups in that are Lutherans who do follow Apostolic succession, the second are the Methodists who seem to be Anglicans with a different spin while I would lump Baptists, Christian scientists together -- and Mormons are the final culmination (along with JW's and unitarians) of the Protestant idea of "I don't like the way you eat eggs, let's break this 'church'"
151 posted on 06/27/2009 1:16:56 PM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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To: Cronos

“All the breakaway sects that came have decayed and withered away”

Link?


152 posted on 06/27/2009 1:18:09 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

The Orthodox and Oriental Churchs are part of the same Apostolic Church with the CAtholic Churchs (all the Catholic churchs including the Latin, Syro-Malabar, Maronite etc)


153 posted on 06/27/2009 1:18:27 PM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Do you really need a link? Where is the Lutherans? They've split and split again. What about the Anglicans? They've spawned the Methodists, Wesleyans, Salvation Army etc. What about Calvinists? Prebyterians, Reformed, Reformed Again etc. groups

Finally, the breakaway sub-sects have had further breakaways
154 posted on 06/27/2009 1:20:57 PM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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To: Cronos

Re: “Where is the Lutherans? They’ve split and split again. What about the Anglicans? They’ve spawned the Methodists, Wesleyans, Salvation Army etc. What about Calvinists? Prebyterians, Reformed, Reformed Again etc. groups”

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Beats me — my family tried them all out — went from Lutheran to Presbyterian to Methodist et al. I don’t participate so don’t know the differences but depending upon the particular congregation, they can’t all be that different if people jump back and forth as they do. A cousin joined PC USA. What is that?


155 posted on 06/27/2009 1:27:50 PM PDT by CaliforniaCon
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

***The New Testament does not say anything about the location of baptism or the identity of the administrator making any difference.***

I asked a CofC preacher once if Eastern Orthodox Christians were saved since they practiced immersion baptism. he said NO, because one of his CofC preachers did not do the dipping.

There are about five (4) Cof C churches here. Each claims to be the “corect” one.

Sunday School CofC,
No sunday School or kitchen CofC
Christian Church with (gasp)music!
One cup CofC. No individual communion cups.


156 posted on 06/27/2009 1:31:31 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (A modern liberal is someone who doesn't care what you do so long as it is compulsory.)
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To: Salvation
Maybe you'll start a thread on pedophile priests and the efforts to protect them.
157 posted on 06/27/2009 1:33:24 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Cronos; Mr Rogers; Salvation; lightman; Cletus.D.Yokel
You have a problem with indulgences. Good news — The Church doesn’t do that now.

Oh, really? I recall visiting the St. Louis Cathedral Basilica in the year 2000 and seeing brochures there for a "Jubilee Indulgence" your pope was promoting.

And besides actual indulgences, there still remains the underlying error on the doctrine of justification, which shows up in a number of Roman practices.

158 posted on 06/27/2009 1:41:59 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: Cronos

“I would lump Baptists, Christian scientists together...”

You prove yourself too ignorant to debate.


159 posted on 06/27/2009 1:51:10 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Salvation

Your argument consists of “I’m right, you’re wrong, and that proves I’m right.”

Please don’t be surprised if you don’t convince a lot of people...


160 posted on 06/27/2009 1:52:46 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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