This was previously posted within another thread. I think it deserves its own thread.
When I made the decision to convert, this was one of my prime reasons. It is THE Church of Christ.
“If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.”
Ummm...you DO realize that only Roman Catholics accept that last statement as true?
It is not accurate. All Christian churches trace their founding to 33AD.
How old is the Jewish religion?
Baptists are much older. Baptists organized in England around that time, but to say that is when they started is simply historically inaccurate.
While some quotes purporting to support the above statement may not be supportable, there are other quotes that indicate adult baptizers (because Baptists are distinctive in requiring people first be BELIEVERS before they are baptized) existed to the days of the apostles.
I am part Jewish which is about 2.5 times older than Christianity..so your point here? If we are going to make a ridiculous arguments about age of faith systems and validity, well the pagans have it all over any of the monotheistic religions about 60 centuries old. Islam is what 1300 years old? This thread is retarded and sad that some Catholic apologists have to resort to specious and vapid sophomoric arguments.
My religion is better than your religion Thread Ping!
Glad to know my salvation is based on my relationship with Christ, not membership in a particular church.
And what is the Eastern Orthodox Church which was founded at least contemporaneously, if not earlier, than the Roman Church ?
There will not be “Catholics”, “Methodist” or “Baptists” in heaven. Only Christians.
It is of little importance how old “your” church is. It is important that “the” church is.
someone looking for a religious fight. yipeeeee. whatever Jesus actually founded, I’m sure he did not intend it to look like the monstrosity that is the RCC today with all its false doctrines, salvation for sale, and open hypocrisy. I mean really, I can be just as shallow as the next guy when discussing such things.
The Catholic Church isn’t any different or any better then any of the other sects of the church.
We could always ask how many people were burned at the stake by Baptists vs Catholics, lowest number wins.
You can’t possibly say with a straight face the Catholic Church has not changed since 33 AD
Actually, that is not exactly true. Catholics count Peter as the first Pope, based on a misinterpretation of gospel where Christ asked his disciples a momentous question: “Whom do men say that I am?” (Matt. 16: 13). The disciples reported what others said as to Jesus identity (vs. 14). However, Jesus placed the focus on them, “But whom say ye that I am? (vs. 15). Peter then confidently answered: “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God” (vs. 16). Jesus then commends Peter and confirms Peters answer (vs. 17). Jesus then enunciated: “And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (vs. 18).
Some contend Peter was the rock upon “which” Jesus would build his church. The word “Peter” (petros) does mean stone. Peter was a mere man. Peter stood in the way of Jesus sacrificial offering, denied the Lord, and sinned publicly (Matt. 16: 21-23, 26: 69-75, Gal. 2: 11-14). Does the church rest on Peter, a man? Back to “upon this rock.” When Jesus said, “upon this rock I will build my church ,” he used a different word in the original (”rock” here is petra).
“Upon this rock,” identifies Jesus as the foundation of the church, not Peter. Jesus is also the head of the church and the savior of the body (Eph. 5: 23).
I don’t think any body that has been responsible for the death and persecution of thousands of dissenters and collaborated with Mussolini and Hitler during WWII should claim to be the “true church”.
This isn’t a rap on individual Catholics, including the one I married.
This is a cute slogan, but it is factually not true. I’ve seen the same slogan on Eastern Orthodox bumper stickers. I can’t think of a single church historian, Catholic or Protestant, that would say that the Roman Catholic Church today is the same as in 33 A.D. First of all, there wasn’t any Roman Catholic Churches in 33 A.D.
I’m sure this will start another discussion upon which denomination is the true denomination. It will be another pissing contest. FR is not an appropriate forum for discussions on theological matters such as these. No one is going to be convinced or persuaded that they are wrong and the other is right. It is simply a forum for people to beat their on chests about why they are what they are.
Not really. We Lutherans hold that we believe, teach, and confess the true catholic faith, which the Roman church had gotten away from.