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Rome Catacomb Reveals "Oldest" Image of St Paul
Reuters ^ | 6/28/09

Posted on 06/28/2009 4:20:19 PM PDT by marshmallow

ROME (Reuters) – Vatican archaeologists using laser technology have discovered what they believe is the oldest image in existence of St Paul the Apostle, dating from the late 4th century, on the walls of catacomb beneath Rome.

Vatican newspaper Osservatore Romano, revealing the find on Sunday, published a picture of a frescoed image of the face of a man with a pointed black beard on a red background, inside a bright yellow halo. The high forehead is furrowed.

Experts of the Ponitifical Commission for Sacred Archaeology made the discovery on June 19 in the Catacomb of Santa Tecla in Rome and describe it as the "oldest icon in history dedicated to the cult of the Apostle," according to the Vatican newspaper.

The discovery, which involved removing layers of clay and limestone using lasers, was announced a day before Rome observes a religious holiday for the Feasts of St Peter and St Paul.

Peter and Paul are revered by Christians as the greatest early missionaries. Converting on the road to Damascus following a blinding vision of Jesus, Paul took the Gospel to pagan Greeks and Romans and met his martyrdom in Rome in about 65 AD.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; History
KEYWORDS: ancientrome; archaeology; godsgravesglyphs; stpaul; vatican

1 posted on 06/28/2009 4:20:19 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
the forgot the L'. It's L'Osservatore Romano.

But that's OK. I am generally sceptical of anything that begins with "L'".

2 posted on 06/28/2009 4:22:40 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: the invisib1e hand
and I forgot the "y," as in they.
3 posted on 06/28/2009 4:23:09 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: marshmallow

This thread is useless without pictures. (Not your fault, I understand.)

It’s maddening to me though to read a story that speaks of something visual such as this, and doesn’t include a photograph. I’m sure there’s some good reason for it- but it still makes me pull my hair out.


4 posted on 06/28/2009 4:23:45 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Riley
but it still makes me pull my hair out.

Picture please?

5 posted on 06/28/2009 4:25:05 PM PDT by ninonitti
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To: ninonitti

I gotta read any article that involves roman or Paris catacombs.


6 posted on 06/28/2009 4:29:31 PM PDT by omega4179 (Not my Communist in Chief.)
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To: marshmallow

And other other fronts:

Pope: Scientific analysis done on St. Paul’s bones

By NICOLE WINFIELD
The Associated Press
Sunday, June 28, 2009; 5:30 PM

ROME — The first-ever scientific tests on what are believed to be the remains of the Apostle Paul “seem to conclude” that they do indeed belong to the Roman Catholic saint, Pope Benedict XVI said Sunday.

Archaeologists recently unearthed and opened the white marble sarcophagus located under the Basilica of St. Paul’s Outside the Walls in Rome, which for some 2,000 years has been believed by the faithful to be the tomb of St. Paul.

Benedict said scientists had conducted carbon dating tests on bone fragments found inside the sarcophagus and confirmed that they date from the first or second century.

“This seems to confirm the unanimous and uncontested tradition that they are the mortal remains of the Apostle Paul,” Benedict said, announcing the findings at a service in the basilica to mark the end of the Vatican’s Paoline year, in honor of the apostle.


7 posted on 06/28/2009 4:29:49 PM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor

Seems to confirm that someone was buried there before 200 AD...


8 posted on 06/28/2009 4:31:37 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: ninonitti

Pulling hair out is something you can see anytime. Ancient images of St Paul found in catacombs are different.

If I were feeling a bit better, I’d oblige you, though. :-)


9 posted on 06/28/2009 4:33:13 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: marshmallow

Pope: Scientific analysis done on St. Paul’s bones
The Detroit News Online | Jun 28, 5:30 PM EDT | Nicole Winfield
Posted on 06/28/2009 4:07:41 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2281369/posts

related:

St Paul’s tomb ‘may be opened’
Italy Mag | 27 June 2009 | Italy
Posted on 06/27/2009 4:34:40 PM PDT by BGHater
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2280921/posts

Oldest Icon of St. Paul Discovered
Posted on 06/28/2009 11:54:12 AM PDT by Mighty_Quinn
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2281263/posts

Rome Catacomb Reveals “Oldest” Image Of St Paul
Reuters | June 28, 2009
Posted on 06/28/2009 3:06:32 PM PDT by Steelfish
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2281342/posts


10 posted on 06/28/2009 4:33:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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11 posted on 06/28/2009 4:33:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: marshmallow
Rome Catacomb Reveals "Oldest" Image of St Paul
Pope: Scientific analysis done on St. Paul's bones
Oldest Icon of St. Paul Discovered
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On St. Paul and the Second Coming

On St. Paul and the Resurrection
On St. Paul and the Cross
On Paul's Christology
On How St. Paul Knew Christ
St. Paul's Teaching on the Church

On Paul's Dealings With Peter
On Paul and the Other Apostles
On Paul, an Apostle of Christ
St. Paul's Faith Based Not on Conversion of Thought, but Personal Meeting With Christ, Pope Says
Paul's Conversion

[St.] Paul's Biography
On Paul's World and Time Period
Pope Benedict said to plan examination of St. Paul
The Conversion of St. Paul
Remains of St. Paul may have been found

Paul's Teaching on the Church
Vatican archaeologists unearth St. Paul's tomb
Paul's Teaching on the Holy Spirit
Paul of Tarsus, Continued: He Lives From Christ and With Christ
Paul of Tarsus: Be Imitators of Me, As I Am of Christ

HOMILIES PREACHED BY FATHER ALTIER ON THE FEAST OF SAINTS PETER AND PAUL
St. Paul's Vision
Feast of the Conversion of St. Paul -- January 25
Original Sin According to Saint Paul
St. Paul the Eccentric

12 posted on 06/28/2009 4:38:41 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: nickcarraway; sandyeggo; Lady In Blue; fatima; NYer; ELS; Salvation; elcid1970; RobbyS; ...

13 posted on 06/28/2009 4:40:53 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: STARWISE

If you ever want to read a great novel about St. Paul, read Taylor Caldwell’s Great Lion of God.


14 posted on 06/28/2009 4:44:19 PM PDT by arbee4bush (Palin!!!!)
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To: ninonitti
Solved my own problem.


15 posted on 06/28/2009 4:50:56 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Riley

I was frustrated, too.

That is really cool.


16 posted on 06/28/2009 4:57:25 PM PDT by rightthinkingwoman
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To: rightthinkingwoman

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00580/33_2_580888a.jpg

Can be seen here - sorry I do not know how to copy and paste to this.


17 posted on 06/28/2009 5:09:21 PM PDT by BubbaGOP
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To: BubbaGOP

18 posted on 06/28/2009 5:10:45 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: All; SevenofNine

source

19 posted on 06/28/2009 5:14:26 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: arbee4bush
If you ever want to read a great novel about St. Paul, read Taylor Caldwell’s Great Lion of God.

I haven't read that one. 'Beloved Physician' by Taylor Caldwell was an excellent novel about St. Luke.

20 posted on 06/28/2009 5:14:55 PM PDT by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: BubbaGOP

Cool, thank you for the link!


21 posted on 06/28/2009 5:16:31 PM PDT by ConservativeColumns
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To: marshmallow; All
Here's a picture - http://www.vatican.va/news_services/or/or_quo/147q01.pdf
22 posted on 06/28/2009 5:22:20 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: marshmallow

Whoever painted it obviously had no idea what he looked like.


23 posted on 06/28/2009 5:32:51 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: monkapotamus

That so cool I hear about that another site they saying might be oldest they thought


24 posted on 06/28/2009 5:35:28 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: Brilliant

You wrote:

“Whoever painted it obviously had no idea what he looked like.”

Actually, he might have. The description in the Acts of Paul and Thecla might be accurate after all.

as the Wikipedia page on the Acts summarizes:

Paul is given a full physical description that may reflect oral tradition: in the Syriac text “he was a man of middling size, and his hair was scanty, and his legs were a little crooked, and his knees were projecting, and he had large eyes[5] and his eyebrows met, and his nose was somewhat long, and he was full of grace and mercy; at one time he seemed like a man, and at another time he seemed like an angel.”


25 posted on 06/28/2009 6:49:45 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Mogollon

I loved that one about St Luke—I think it was Dear and Glorious Physician. Taylor Caldwell was amazing the way she wrote like she actually lived in the time.


26 posted on 06/28/2009 7:28:34 PM PDT by arbee4bush (Palin!!!!)
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To: marshmallow

Interesting...


27 posted on 06/28/2009 7:39:57 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Mr Rogers

Don’t forget that the Benedictines had found above it a memorial, “Paul, apostle, martyr.” The discovery of the sarcophagus proves it was a death memorial. The discovery of bones inside it proves it was for an actual body. The discovery that the bones were of someone who had been there for so long time proves the antiquity of the memorial.

So what’s an alternate explanation, if that’s not Paul? I mean, if you were to take the bones of some dead guy, and erect a marker declaring that they are the bones of Michael Jackson, would your contemporaries go along with you?


28 posted on 06/28/2009 7:56:13 PM PDT by dangus
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To: SevenofNine
http://www.vatican.va/various/basiliche/san_paolo/vr_tour/Media/VR/St_Paul_Tomb/index.html
29 posted on 06/28/2009 8:11:30 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: arbee4bush

I read it many years ago. She was a terrific writer.


30 posted on 06/28/2009 8:19:08 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Mogollon

I read that one, too. I loved her books.


31 posted on 06/28/2009 8:20:06 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: monkapotamus

WHOA That soooo cool Monk


32 posted on 06/28/2009 8:40:56 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: ffusco

Do not use potty language - or references to potty language - on the Religion Forum.


34 posted on 06/28/2009 9:40:46 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: arbee4bush

Thank you.


35 posted on 06/29/2009 12:09:59 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: monkapotamus; nickcarraway; sandyeggo; Lady In Blue; fatima; NYer; ELS; Salvation; elcid1970; ...

That is breathtaking .. thank you.

Mouse over it in any direction and you see every part of it .. even the glorious ceiling. Simply stunning .. I’ve never been to Rome... jaw dropping.


36 posted on 06/29/2009 12:20:44 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: marshmallow; monkapotamus; All
Photo: St. Paul's Tomb Unearthed in Rome (2006)

Cardinal Andrea Cordero Lanza di Montezemolo, Archpriest of Rome's Basilica of St. Paul's Outside-the-Walls, shows the passageway through which one side of St. Paul's stone coffin is visible.

The sarcophagus had long been believed buried beneath the church's main altar. But it took a multiyear excavation to verify that fact. No one knows for sure, however, whether the early Christian Apostle's remains are still in his coffin.

37 posted on 06/29/2009 12:28:20 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: All

St. Paul’s Tomb Unearthed in Rome
Maria Cristina Valsecchi in Vatican City
for National Geographic News
December 11, 2006

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St. Paul’s stone coffin has been found beneath Rome’s second largest basilica, but its contents remain a mystery, Vatican archaeologists announced today.

The sarcophagus dates back to about A.D. 390 and was uncovered in Rome’s Basilica of St. Paul’s Outside-the-Walls, named for its location beyond the ancient wall surrounding Rome’s center.

Long believed to be buried beneath the church’s altar, the coffin is now on display for the first time in centuries— its precious cargo, however, is not.

“For now we didn’t open the sarcophagus to study the contents. Our aim was to unearth the coffin venerated as St. Paul’s tomb, not to authenticate the remains,” said Giorgio Filippi, the archaeologist of the Vatican Museum, who directed the excavations.

“The sarcophagus was buried beneath the main altar, under a marble tombstone bearing the Latin words “Paulo Apostolo Mart.,” meaning “Apostle Paul, Martyr.”

The basilica “rises on the place where, according to tradition, Paul of Tarsus was originally buried after his martyrdom,” Filippi said.

Saul of Tarsus

St. Paul was born Saul in the first decade of the first century A.D. in Tarsus, the capital of the ancient Roman region of Cilicia in what is now Turkey.

Though he never met Jesus Christ, he joined the first Christians after a dramatic conversion on the road to Damascus, as told in the Acts of the Apostles, one of the Bible’s New Testament books.

Baptized as Paul, he traveled around part of what is now Turkey as well as ancient Greece and Rome, founding a number of religious communities.

Paul’s thought largely influenced Christian doctrine by means of 13 or 14 letters, the Pauline epistles, included in the New Testament. Perhaps his most recognizable passage— to modern wedding guests, anyway— is his poetic definition of love (”Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast. … “).

According to later reports, in A.D. 65 Paul of Tarsus was imprisoned in Rome, beheaded, and then buried in the family tomb of a devout Roman noblewoman, Matrona Lucilla (Rome map, facts, photos, and more).

“Around A.D. 320 Emperor Constantine built a first small basilica to receive the pilgrims visiting Saint Paul’s tomb,” Filippi said.

“In A.D. 390 Emperor Theodosius enlarged the building and encased Paul’s remains in a sarcophagus located on view in the middle of the basilica—the same sarcophagus we found.”

“We know for sure it’s the same object because the stone coffin is embedded in the layer of the Theodosian basilica,” he continued.

In A.D. 433 part of the building collapsed during an earthquake. In the course of renovations the floor was elevated. The sarcophagus was buried and covered by a marble tombstone.

In 1823 a fire completely destroyed the ancient basilica, and the modern Saint Paul’s Outside-the-Walls was built on the site.

“The sarcophagus and the tombstone were covered by concrete and debris, on top of which the main altar, named the Papal Altar, was placed,” Filippi said.

The Excavations

Six years ago the Catholic Church celebrated what it called the Jubilee 2000. Pilgrims from all over the world visited Rome and Saint Paul’s Outside-the-Walls.

“They asked to see Saint Paul’s tomb and were disappointed to learn that it was buried and not on view,” said Cardinal Andrea Cordero Lanza di Montezemolo, the archpriest of the basilica.

“So we decided to begin excavations and bring the sarcophagus to light.”

Work started in 2002 and just recently wrapped up.

“Archaeologists opened a window 70 centimeters [28 inches] wide and 1 meter [39 inches] deep through the concrete layer under the main altar to reach the side of the sarcophagus,” he continued.

Archaeologist Filippi said, “There is a hole in the cover of the sarcophagus, about ten centimeters [four inches] wide.

“In ancient times people used it to dip pieces of fabric inside the coffin, so they would become relics too. Currently the hole is closed by debris.

“It could be used to access to the remains of the saint if and when Vatican authorities decide to explore what the sarcophagus contains.”

Cardinal di Montezemolo added: “At last, today pilgrims visiting the basilica can see the side of the sarcophagus through a small window we left open under the papal altar.”

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/12/061211-saint-paul_2.html

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Heartwarming, gratifying, true ... the glory of God.


38 posted on 06/29/2009 12:36:27 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: STARWISE

Starwise, thanks for the ping. I love St. Paul, truly.

Re the sarcophagus, the remains have been examined. I heard a report on radio this a.m. that Benedict XVI today issued a statement that the relics in St. Paul’s Tomb have been verified via DNA to be from the time period of his life, could really be him.

Gives me goose bumps....


39 posted on 06/29/2009 1:59:51 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (How about those Isotopes?! Go, Dodgers!!)
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To: La Enchiladita

It is thrilling .. truly.

It’s the bible coming to life.


40 posted on 06/29/2009 2:01:45 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: STARWISE

Amen. Amen. And these days that is all that seems real to me.


41 posted on 06/29/2009 2:04:45 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (How about those Isotopes?! Go, Dodgers!!)
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To: La Enchiladita

And these days that is all that seems real to me.

~~

Or sane.


42 posted on 06/29/2009 2:13:49 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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