Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

France May Dissolve Church of Scientology
Christianity Today ^ | 6/30/2009 | Elizabeth Bryant

Posted on 06/30/2009 4:05:36 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

In a groundbreaking case, a Paris court will decide for the first time whether to dissolve the Church of Scientology in France, which is facing charges of organized fraud.

The demand was made by French prosecutors on Monday (June 15) as they wrapped up their case against the church's Paris headquarters and bookshop. If found guilty, the institutions may also face a nearly $6 million fine.

Six members of the church are also on trial, and may also face heavy fines along with prison sentences if convicted.

The plaintiffs, two former Scientologists, claim the church conned them into spending tens of thousands of dollars in bogus products in the 1990s, including an "electrometer" that the church says can measure energy levels.

But the church, which claims a membership of 45,000 in France, rejects the accusations and claims it is being persecuted.

The plaintiffs, are "apostates who ... want to criticize their ex-religion," Fabio Amicarelli, a European Scientology representative, told French media recently.

While the charges pose the most serious challenge to the French church to date, they are only the latest clash in a nearly two-decade long battle against Scientology. Several fraud cases have already been judged and several members convicted of embezzlement in France, where Scientology is viewed with deep suspicion.

In one case, the head of the church's Lyons chapter was sentenced to 18 months in prison in 1996 for his role in a member's suicide.

Founded in 1954 by late American science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard, the church is considered a religion in the United States with adherents that include Hollywood stars Tom Cruise and John Travolta.

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.christianitytoday.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Other non-Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: cults; france; scientology

1 posted on 06/30/2009 4:05:37 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

I pray that they do!


2 posted on 06/30/2009 4:07:37 PM PDT by proudofthesouth (O'Zero is preceeding the Anti-Christ.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Hey, Wikipedia is down!!! I tried to get info on L Ron Hubbard.


3 posted on 06/30/2009 4:11:20 PM PDT by spald
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

The whole thing is a fraud and it starts here in the states. Anyone with even a small portion of a brain can figure it out. HUBBARD WAS A SCIENCE FICTION WRITER FOR THE LOVE OF PETE!!!!!


4 posted on 06/30/2009 4:12:53 PM PDT by Larsen E. Whipsnade
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Add to the list the pagan death cult based on a moon god that uses a red crescent as a symbol. Piss be upon them!


5 posted on 06/30/2009 4:15:37 PM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Tom cruz to the rescue


6 posted on 06/30/2009 4:20:16 PM PDT by peace with honor
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
Take that freedom of religion.
7 posted on 06/30/2009 4:22:06 PM PDT by Rodebrecht (What are you and who do you want?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: peace with honor
Tom cruz to the rescue

Penelope Cruz I know, but who is Tom Cruz?
8 posted on 06/30/2009 4:22:31 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: newfreep

They are laying the groundwork for that, and Obama is laying the ground for the eventual receiving of the Muslim from Europe.


9 posted on 06/30/2009 4:24:02 PM PDT by Boiling Pots (B. Hussein Obama: The final turd George W. Bush laid on America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: spald

If you read about him, as I have, you will be amazed to learn that he
is simply a con artist. And actually connected to satan worshippers
like Aleister Crowley and Anton Levay. I know I sound like the church
lady but the whole thing is crazy.


10 posted on 06/30/2009 4:26:16 PM PDT by gussiefinknottle (woof!woof!woof!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Rodebrecht

>>Take that freedom of religion.<<
Scientology is NOT a “religion” by any definition. It is at best a worship of an author and more practically a New Age Louise Hay type of self-help cult.

It was started on a bet that L. Ron could create the most ridiculous basis for a religion and people would buy it. Clearly he won.


11 posted on 06/30/2009 4:31:41 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

??? x-hubby??


12 posted on 06/30/2009 4:33:29 PM PDT by peace with honor
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Rodebrecht

Freedom of religion is not really something the French subscribe to. The revolutionaries were strongly anti-religion.


13 posted on 06/30/2009 4:36:04 PM PDT by Blackacre
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: freedumb2003

I never said it was a real religion. But people have a right to worship whatever they see fit as long as they don’t harm anybody else or interfere with another persons right to do the same.


14 posted on 06/30/2009 4:36:25 PM PDT by Rodebrecht (What are you and who do you want?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

“..but who is Tom Cruz?”

.
What’s the matter with you? Don’t you know Tom Croos?


15 posted on 06/30/2009 4:39:04 PM PDT by 353FMG
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Rodebrecht

>>I never said it was a real religion. But people have a right to worship whatever they see fit as long as they don’t harm anybody else or interfere with another persons right to do the same.<<

I think France is trying to protect its citizens from scammers — scientology is a HUGE sting operation and far from “not hurting anyone.”

We are just too afraid of anyone who uses the word “religion” to do what needs to be done.


16 posted on 06/30/2009 4:41:37 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

President Bubba ended a strong USDJ IRS & RICO case against them here shortly before trial (probably with big payola ...).


17 posted on 06/30/2009 4:43:07 PM PDT by dodger
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: gussiefinknottle

He did leave a $600MM estate . . .


18 posted on 06/30/2009 4:43:09 PM PDT by spald
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
the church is considered a religion in the United States

By whom? That's a pretty broad statement.

19 posted on 06/30/2009 4:44:15 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: proudofthesouth

I believe that Germany refused to recognize Scientology as a religion.


20 posted on 06/30/2009 4:47:43 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: freedumb2003

Just remove their tax exemption. We can ban people from associating with whom they wish.


21 posted on 06/30/2009 4:51:54 PM PDT by Rodebrecht (What are you and who do you want?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
Can't outlaw Satan. Been tried. I say better to have it out in the open where you can't see what its doing, than driving it underground into the shadows. Besides, Christians like me are going to need those shadows pretty soon when the One declares Christianity as a terrorist organization, and I would rather share my shadows with other Christians than Tom Crusin or Johnny Revolta.

Sorry but I'm in a crappy mood today.

22 posted on 06/30/2009 4:52:08 PM PDT by Blackhawk (God said it, I believe it, That settles it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: freedumb2003

Just remove their tax exemption. We can’t ban people from associating with whom they wish.


23 posted on 06/30/2009 4:52:18 PM PDT by Rodebrecht (What are you and who do you want?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

It is generally believed that L. Ron Hubbard founded Scientology to win a bet with Arthur C. Clarke. Robert A. Heinlein is sometimes mentioned as the other party to the bet, but he seems to have contributed to Dianetics (helping Hubbard win his bet), so this is very unlikely.


24 posted on 06/30/2009 5:02:55 PM PDT by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Rodebrecht

>>Just remove their tax exemption. We can’t ban people from associating with whom they wish.<<

Better to prosecute them for grifting, but at least we should pull the exemption.


25 posted on 06/30/2009 5:20:17 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

It’s because this is not a religion, it’s a cult.
Now there’s another cult that masquerades as a religion. I wonder what that can be!


26 posted on 06/30/2009 5:45:18 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
It was a beautiful afternoon back in 1986 when my 19 year old self was walking around downtown Boston with 2 female friends.
Out of the blue I have some very nice looking girl asking me all sorts of life questions on the sidewalk.
Next thing I know she's telling me i gotto go with her and she's practically dragging me down the street.
Anyways I end up in trapped in some dingy office with about 5 or 6 youngish people holding me back and trying to keep me from leaving.
It was very bizzare.
I ended up having to buy the Dianetics book from the to get out of there.
To this day I still get mail at my moms house from them.

There are some serious horror stories regarding this cult on the web.

27 posted on 06/30/2009 5:46:00 PM PDT by mowowie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 3niner

If the bet ever happened it was much more likely to have been with Heinlein then Clarke. Clarke didn’t live in the USA. Clarke served in the Royal Air Force from 1941 to 1946. Clarke lived in Sri Lanka since 1956. Although he did visit here in 1953, I have no idea if he met with Hubbard. Dianetics was being worked up by Hubbard already in 1949.

Clarke claims to never have known Hubbard in this interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43YakGYQYGc


28 posted on 06/30/2009 7:09:49 PM PDT by vladimir998
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Rodebrecht

I’ll see their scientology and raise them islam.


29 posted on 07/01/2009 10:07:08 AM PDT by onedoug (SARAH!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
Send Penelope right over.


30 posted on 07/01/2009 10:18:11 AM PDT by csvset
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

"It all began 75 million years ago with a galactic federation of planets ruled by the evil Lord Xenu. Fearing overcrowding, Xenu rounded up countless aliens from all those planets and had those aliens frozen. The frozen alien bodies were loaded onto Xenu's galactic cruisers, which looked like DC-8s, except with rocket engines. They were sent to earth and dumped into the volcanoes of Hawaii. They were no longer frozen. They were dead.

"The souls of the aliens floated toward the sky, Xenu had built giant "soul catchers" to collect them all and unload them into a brainwashing facility he had built on earth.

The souls were forced to watch days of brainwashing material that tricked them into believing a false reality. Xenu then released the alien souls that roamed the earth aimlessly in a fog of confusion. At the dawn of man the aliens found bodies they could grab onto. They attached themselves to all mankind, which still to this day causes all our fears, confusions and problems."

31 posted on 07/01/2009 10:29:06 AM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson