Posted on 07/09/2009 6:45:37 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
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Discovery Institute Twaddle Alert
So . . . you're saying that the "war" between "accommodationists" and their opponents doesn't really exist? You're saying that Darwinism is perfectly compatible with an "activist G-d" and not a mere "deism?"
Perhaps you're saying the quotes in the article were never uttered by the people to whom they are ascribed and Klinghoffer is making the whole thing up.
I think what he’s saying is that with real scientists, open minded scientists without preconceived secular notions, that there is no conflict necessary between faith and science.
The war exists between religion and pseudo-scientists that bring preconceived secular notions such as an “a prior commitment to naturalism”. True religion rejects scientific claims when the claims are not scientific.
True science makes observations and forms hypothesis and tests those hypothesis. True science does not make dogmatic statements about matters that it cannot prove.
Unfortunately, the so-called scientific establishments of today are filled with the pseudo-scientists. And it’s not just religion that the pseudo-scientists attack with their dogma, but also capitalism and democracy via the dogma of the unscientific global warming.
Well, well. Ol’ Larry knows there’s something to accomodate alright:
“But when you look at CMB map, you also see that the structure that is observed, is in fact, in a weird way, correlated with the plane of the earth around the sun. Is this Copernicus coming back to haunt us? That’s crazy. We’re looking out at the whole universe. There’s no way there should be a correlation of structure with our motion of the earth around the sun the plane of the earth around the sun the ecliptic. That would say we are truly the center of the universe.” -Lawrence Krauss
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/krauss06/krauss06.2_index.html
I don't know what religion the author is, but THAT is NOT what Judeo-Christianity teaches!
Spiritual image; NOT corporeal!
No matter how you slice it, a purely mechanistic view of this world will produce hopeless, unimaginable, cruelty and brutality in a struggle(s) for domination.
For what difference would cruelty and brutality make?
Despite the brains that say otherwise, design is obvious even to the unbeliever. Paul says so.
They know.
And for those who have “ears to hear” as 2 sisters are wont to remind, there is entry into the glorious Kingdom of God.
For what difference would cruelty and brutality make?
Despite the brains that say otherwise, design is obvious even to the unbeliever. Paul says so.
They know.
And it is so obvious in biological life that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Or to put it another way, we can break down a rock and rabbit and see that they are made of the same quantum fields - but something was lost along the way that the rabbit passed from life to death. And he cannot be put back together again.
For a rigorous mathematical approach to this very issue, Lurkers should read Rosen's Life Itself
That there was a Creature, a beginning, a cause of causation itself is obvious and everyone will be held responsible for noticing:
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. - Romans 1:18-21
Did you see the article on FR the other day about coffee being a natural solution for Alzheimer’s....
There seems to be such a combination of anti-God and anti-Christian forces that are so powerful in this era. There is no strategy I see by which this can be overcome by human hands.
Where iniquity abounds grace much more abounds. Either God will intervene or these are final days.
Where iniquity abounds grace much more abounds. Either God will intervene or these are final days.
Not by might, not by power but by His Spirit (Zech 4:6) - or Maranatha, Jesus!!!
I think it is the latter because there are many signs (2 Tim 3 et al) and the time is right (see posts 1160 and 1172.)
To God be the glory!
Thank you, sister, for your links. The only thing I had to stop and think on was the part about the physical and spiritual realms (tree of life) both being created by God.
My concern regards the spiritual for the bible says, “God is Spirit.” (Therefore, eternal)
I might use the word “heavenly” rather than “spiritual” to describe the locus of the tree of life.
What do you think?
My central point is that the tree of life is in the midst of the garden of Eden and also in the midst of Paradise.
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Revelation 2:7
I agree with your point, sister. I do believe that the creation includes the angelic beings. I also think that the New Jerusalem is a creation of God, and in it are also a variety of sentient beings and plants.
I liked your catching the transition from “day” to “years” in terms of “day you eat thereof” and “Adam’s days” were so many years. So much about your interpretations that I do like.
In any case, even in my reading of the future state in Revelation, there is no “depiction” of God. God is unique. There is no other.
The purely mechanistic view is motivated by a mania for objectivity. Of course, that mania is itself relentlessly subjective.
However, the mechanistic view drains all life and consciousness out of the world. There have been objections to this sort of thing from within science. The physicist Ludwig von Bertalanffy, well known as the father of General System Theory, developed his theory as an alternative to reductionist, Cartesian notions of mechanism, which he believed were not only hamstringing science WRT to the investigation of such questions as life and mind, but had deplorable social and ethical side effects for humanity at large. Evidently the Nobel Laureate biologist Jacques Monod detested Bertalanffy for holding such reprehensible views.... (Monod is a great champion of mechanistic reductionism as the prime strategy for biological investigation.)
Such "intramural spats" can be highly instructive and interesting....
Thank you ever so much, dearest sister in Christ, for your excellent essay/post!
Seems to me this mechanistic view plus consequentialism gives us the likes of Peter Singer, bioethicist who believes that parents should be able to terminate their offspring up to a year after birth (or something like that.) The end justifies the means when to them, the whole is the sum of the parts - there's nothing more, nothing precious to be preserved but rather an inconvenience to be eliminated for the greater "good."
Infanticide and euthanasia are just flavors of eugenics, taking out the trash, which sadly can be presented as "politically correct" altruism if one "drains all life and consciousness" out of the world, as you say.
Maranatha, Jesus!!!
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