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If you believe in God, should you believe in Santa Claus too?
Christian Post ^ | 7/16/2009 | Randal Rauser

Posted on 07/17/2009 5:37:12 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Well I must say, I had a great time reading the comments, critiques and insults that came in after my last post with its modest attempt to define "atheism". In particular, many self-described atheists took umbrage to my claim that atheism is denial of the proposition that God exists. (Apparently my smarmy attitude was also ripe for verbal assault.)

One of my most spirited opponents drew comparisons between belief in God and unicorns as he/she asked: "do you believe in unicorns? Can you disprove the existence of unicorns?" The idea, presumably, is that belief in unicorns and God are equivalent. Thus, if belief in unicorns is irrational then so is belief in God (bad news for the theist). And if disbelief in unicorns is the rational position for the average person on the street then so is disbelief in God (good news for the atheist).

This is an important comparison to consider, but in doing so I am going to switch from unicorns to Santa Claus since the latter (being a concrete individual rather than a type of thing) is a closer parallel to God. So the question: is belief in Santa Claus like belief in God?

First, let's begin to address the question in the manner of Thomas Aquinas, by giving our opponent as fair a shake as possible:

So here we go. Picture yourself a manager at Walmart interviewing a potential employee to work in the warehouse. "Alfred" seems to be a well-adjusted intelligent twenty-five year old who has solid work experience and references, Thus you are inclined to hire him. Then you notice his Rolex watch and you offer a compliment. "Nice watch Alfred."

"Thanks," he replies, "Santa gave it to me." You pause, wait for the punchline, and then slowly, with growing trepidation, you realize that he is deathly serious.

You swallow nervously as Alfred watches you intently. "Santa?" you ask in a futile attempt to sound nonchalant. A bead of sweat rolls down your brow.

"Yes," Alfred replies. "I was very good last year. Santa loves me, and he watches everything we do. So you can trust me Mr. Manager."

Okay, would you hire Alfred even after he confessed belief in Santa Claus? At the very least wouldn't you be at least be less inclined to hire him in light of that belief? You might concede Alfred's point that believing Santa is watching over him will make him more likely to be honest and hard working. But would that potential positive byproduct of his belief be sufficient to allay your concerns?

With that in mind, let's replay the last exchange:

"Nice watch Alfred."

"Thanks. The Lord provided it as an answer to prayer."

Many people would view the invocation of God as much less threatening or epistemologically questionable than invocation of Santa Claus. Indeed, many would be positively encouraged to hear the invocation of God. But if it appears irrational to ascribe the acquisition of the watch to Santa Claus, why is it not equally irrational to ascribe it to God? In short, what makes the Christian any more rational than Alfred?


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1 posted on 07/17/2009 5:37:13 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I have an iphone that I patiently waited to buy for two years. Then I got a side job which allows me to afford the iPhone and all the trimmings and fund my hobbies. Actually I gave myself most of the credit for obtaining such a geeky prize.


2 posted on 07/17/2009 5:41:24 PM PDT by cyborg (The Cyborg Show brought you by the Apple iPhone)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have a Christmas tree ball that has a painting of Santa on it...

Called the Fourth Wise Man, Santa is kneeling to the Christ child lying in the manger...

I love it...

Would like to get a sweat shirt made...


3 posted on 07/17/2009 5:42:59 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: SeekAndFind

Well if you had a personal relationship with Santa, and could feel his power in life, maybe yes.

parsy.


4 posted on 07/17/2009 5:43:24 PM PDT by parsifal ("Knock and ye shall receive!" (The Bible, somewhere.))
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To: SeekAndFind

And Santa died for our sins, how?


5 posted on 07/17/2009 5:45:57 PM PDT by doc1019 (YO! You are also half white … recognize it, deal with it.)
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To: parsifal

Parsy, you win!


6 posted on 07/17/2009 5:48:26 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: doc1019

Thus far in this thread, no one has answered the question posed by the author :

If it appears irrational to ascribe the acquisition of the watch to Santa Claus, why is it not equally irrational to ascribe it to God? In short, what makes the Christian any more rational than Alfred (who invoked Santa as the one who gave him his watch)?


7 posted on 07/17/2009 5:52:51 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Like children who discover there is no Santa, the atheists try to convince us there is no God.

They do not believe—— a joy has been taken from them and they wish to take this joy from others.


8 posted on 07/17/2009 5:53:19 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: parsifal
Well if you had a personal relationship with Santa, and could feel his power in life, maybe yes.

So, a person's FEELINGS determine what is objectively true or not ?

What if we replaced the word -- SANTA above with Adolf Hitler ? Is the answer still maybe yes ?
9 posted on 07/17/2009 5:54:09 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe God is Santa Claus, or vice-versa.


10 posted on 07/17/2009 5:56:47 PM PDT by Swordfished
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To: SeekAndFind

Atheists are ignorant people who, rather than make any real effort to enlighten their ignorance with knowledge (which takes time and effort) decide instead to worship that ignorance and defer to it in all matters. I have no interest in trying to convince atheists of anything. They have their reward and are content with it - even delight in it - and will carry that forward through all their existence. They are like imbeciles squatting in a corner playing with a shiny little top. They can go for a long time like that because they are so enthralled with the little top that nothing else is noticed. Eventually the top breaks or they grow bored with it. At that point they either convert (like C.S. Lewis or Muggeridge) or they simply collapse in a welter of grief and disbelief but with nothing to fall back on for comfort or succor. Poor people.


11 posted on 07/17/2009 5:57:22 PM PDT by scory
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To: SeekAndFind

Santa is helpless to justify this sinner before a Holy God....


12 posted on 07/17/2009 5:57:43 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: SeekAndFind

Just because you believe in one unprovable concept doesn’t mean that you must believe in all unprovable concepts. You are free to believe in any or all as you see fit. Whatever floats your boat. I just wish that folks wouldn’t spend a lot of bandwidth on a Conservative site expounding on their unprovable beliefs not related to conservatism. I swear I am developing carpal syndrome mousing past those colorful, never-read foot long posts that some drobots post weekly.


13 posted on 07/17/2009 6:00:02 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: SeekAndFind

What do the True God and the fake Santa have in common? Nothing at all. Indeed, Santa is almost an idol, even though he is not mentioned in God’s Word.

Santa introduces children to a moral basis for living that is below the standard set by the Ten Commandments. And the only role that faith plays is in whether Santa exits or not.


14 posted on 07/17/2009 6:00:22 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: SeekAndFind

Sheeh...everyone knows that God and Santa Claus are both real. My kids better believe at least until they are seniors if they want any presents that is for sure. Although my oldest is 11 and probably only has another Christmas until he stops believing, I will use the same method my parents used on us kids. If you don’t belive in Santa than the presents stop. It worked very effectively and the younger kids enjoyed believing in Santa much longer.


15 posted on 07/17/2009 6:05:53 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: SeekAndFind
It's not irrational because “god” is a universally known concept or construct whereas Santa is a known “story”
16 posted on 07/17/2009 6:06:00 PM PDT by Popman (Joe Biden REALLY can't be Vice President, can he ?)
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To: SeekAndFind
The entire proposition is based on what I call Sunday-School Christianity -- the stories told to little children to introduce them to the concept. This is what I noticed about most people who are anti-Christianity; they never got past the childhood version and thought deeper.

The reason we are less threatened by an adult invoking God as a reason than Santa is that virtually all of us learn at some point that Santa is our parents or other caretaker. We figure it out or find the presents in the closet or sneek a peek and catch them in the act.

But as we mature, we learn that the more we learn, the more there is to learn, and we will NEVER know all the answers to Life, the Universe, the Human Question, and Everything. We don't even know all of the questions. We do know that some things are out of our control no matter our wealth, power, or social systems, so how do we come to understand them. Everybody experiences this. Some chalk it up to fate, some to God, some to other people.

17 posted on 07/17/2009 6:09:11 PM PDT by Clock King (There's no way to fix D.C.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“So, a person’s FEELINGS determine what is objectively true or not ?”

You’re looking for proof when the kind of proof you want doesn’t exist. What you should be doing is thinking about faith. That is the basis of Christianity.

The Apostle Paul didn’t believe either. It took getting knocked on his *ss (or off his *ss, I guess) before he believed.

If you are not the kind of person who can rely on faith, then don’t. Start off by just admitting that you don’t know everything (which is true) and keep your mind open about the possibility. God has a way of sending people messages, and if your mind is open, you might receive them.

parsy.


18 posted on 07/17/2009 6:10:44 PM PDT by parsifal ("Knock and ye shall receive!" (The Bible, somewhere.))
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To: Clock King

Spoken like a true agnostic. I concur.


19 posted on 07/17/2009 6:12:09 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: scory

“nothing to fall back on for comfort or succor” So, that comfort comes from something imaginary?

Why can’t believers admit that there is no evidence to prove or disprove the existence of any god; be it Thor, Vishnu, Ahura Mazda, Mohammed, Jehovah, Marduk, Zeus, or the other countless gods invented since the dawn of mankind?


20 posted on 07/17/2009 6:13:52 PM PDT by Pelagius of Asturias
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To: Pelagius of Asturias

Go back to your top, silly little man.


21 posted on 07/17/2009 6:16:15 PM PDT by scory
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To: scory

Name calling, eh?


22 posted on 07/17/2009 6:17:57 PM PDT by Pelagius of Asturias
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To: SeekAndFind

The heavens declare the glory of God. The Bible declares Who He is.

From nature alone, whether you are looking with the naked eye, a telescope, a microscope, or the naturalist’s notebook, should tell the observer that there is a supreme intellect behind it all. You see design. Rocks can’t turn into people, I don’t care how long you give it to occur.

The Bible tells us that God cares about us, that He wants to communicate with us, that He wants to have a relationship with us, that He wants to redeem us. Furthermore, the Bible proclaims projections about the future. Dozens of those predictions were fulfilled to the letter in the first Advent, the appearance of God in the flesh, the Lord Jesus Christ. Gainsay it if you wish, pooh-pooh it if you wish, pish-tosh it if you wish, harrumph about it with other atheists all you wish; but it happened; and many good people who witnessed it were martyred with the truth of it still on their lips.

Furthermore, the same Bible that reveals Who God is also predicted the scattering and regathering of a people, the Jews, over a period of some 2600-3300 years. And it happened — in a day — you cannot make this stuff up; nor can you say it and bring it to pass. It is unprecedented and it is incontrovertible.

None of this has anything whatsoever to do with unicorns or Santa Claus or spaghetti monsters or anything of the kind.

Do the research with an open mind, and I guarantee — if you are a true seeker, you will find.


23 posted on 07/17/2009 6:19:27 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great... ...until it happens to YOU.)
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To: parsifal
What you should be doing is thinking about faith. That is the basis of Christianity.

But Faith is only as good as the OBJECT of your faith. Yes, faith is the basis of Christianity, but it has to be faith based on good evidence and reason, not just faith alone.

How many people have been led astray simply by exercising faith and not anything else ?

Heck, we have millions of people who are putting their trust in Obama even as we speak.

So, back to the question of Santa Claus and God --- what's the difference between having faith in Santa and having faith in God ? I'm sure you have a good answer to that instead of relying upon simple "feeling".
24 posted on 07/17/2009 6:21:07 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: parsifal
parsifal FTW! Seriously, just because you disagree with a fellow believer's viewpoints on specific issues (like where a watch comes from) doesn't mean their faith in their Creator and Savior is flawed. It also doesn't validate a bad idea. Personally I am confused by the prosperity gospel but I am not going to fight with a Christian who believes it. If C is belief a watch came from Christ, S is belief that a watch came from Santa, J is the power of Jesus, and T is the truth, The hypothetical situation of C ≠ T does not force the situation S = T The given reality that J = T and S ≠ T as well has no bearing on whether or not C = T or C ≠ T. Whether or not C = T is an answer I don't think I can find in the Bible myself and I don't think is worth arguing over.
25 posted on 07/17/2009 6:21:51 PM PDT by ActrFshr
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To: SeekAndFind
Interesting!
26 posted on 07/17/2009 6:23:37 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: SeekAndFind

Are Christian websites being overtaken by conservatives or does it only happen the other way around?


27 posted on 07/17/2009 6:25:26 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: SeekAndFind

When it comes to these things, how can anyone tell if someone really believes something, or they just say they believe?

Is it possible to make yourself truly believe something that is considered by most, to be unbelievable?


28 posted on 07/17/2009 6:26:37 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The bible doesn’t claim that the rational man believes in God. In fact the opposite is true. The rational man lacks the spirit and without the Spirit, that man is blind. In your example, the man with the watch can “see” more than the manager. The manager’s blindness to his true surroundings does not make the existence of God false. It simply means the manager is not equipped to see God’s hand in the world.

1 Corinthians 2:14

The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.


29 posted on 07/17/2009 6:29:27 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Migraine

One truth seeker discovers Vishnu, another finds Jehovah, and a third person believes in Allah, which religion is the true one?

A beautiful sunset is nothing but light shining through atmospheric dust.


30 posted on 07/17/2009 6:30:16 PM PDT by Pelagius of Asturias
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To: stuartcr
When it comes to these things, how can anyone tell if someone really believes something, or they just say they believe?

Gal 5:22

31 posted on 07/17/2009 6:32:25 PM PDT by Gideon7
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To: Pelagius of Asturias
One truth seeker discovers Vishnu, another finds Jehovah, and a third person believes in Allah, which religion is the true one?

I recommend the One I mentioned in my post. None of the others even remotely qualify.

32 posted on 07/17/2009 6:33:40 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great... ...until it happens to YOU.)
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To: gorush
Are Christian websites being overtaken by conservatives or does it only happen the other way around?

This is probably the number one problem with the conservative movement. My Jewish and Black friends are more concerned about the 'Christians' who are in charge of the conservative movement than they are of the Libs.

33 posted on 07/17/2009 6:33:52 PM PDT by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you can’t reason someone out of something that they didn’t reaso)
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To: SeekAndFind

Here’s my problem. A person gets in a serious car wreck. She barely escapes with her life. But she thanks God that she lived and only has a broken back. Excuse me, serious question here. If God was looking out for her why did he let her get in a car wreck at all? It makes no sense.

Oh people might say, God let you be in the wreck so you can learn something from it. Really? Would you let your child get 3rd degree burns all over his body, so he learn something from it? No of course not!!

I don’t think anyone really knows one thing about God or God’s motives. He always seems far less than Godlike and loving than God would really be, if there is a God.


34 posted on 07/17/2009 6:34:22 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Nonsense in the intellect draws evil after it." C.S. Lewis)
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To: SeekAndFind

“But Faith is only as good as the OBJECT of your faith. Yes, faith is the basis of Christianity, but it has to be faith based on good evidence and reason, not just faith alone.”

No it doesn’t have to be based on “good evidence” and “reason.” Paul said it real well when he said what he preached was foolishness to the Greeks. And it was foolish to the Greeks. Some guy gets executed, you think he’s come back to life and if you believe in him you will live forever. Yes, the Greeks of that day were ROTFLTAO.

Yet, Paul and millions of other people believe. Instead of Santa, think of “love.” Could you prove that “love” exists? Would not the easier argument be that sexual love is based on hormones, and that family love is based on a genetic tilt in favor of preserving your gene pool.

And, you will never really know if there is such a thing as “love”, until and unless it happens to you. So, have you ever felt that feeling? If so, and I am assuming you are a male, is there really any evidence that one female is somehow special when compared to all the other females in existence?

Probably not the kind of evidence you are seeking here, for a belief in Jesus, or God. But, in your own heart, you know what you know. If you have been in love, you know it is something different, and it fills you up.

Try to explain it to me with “evidence” and “reason.” You can’t. I can relate only if I have felt love.

And if you have never felt love, and do not distinguish it from some really hot sex, is your mind closed to the possibility that such a thing exists? If it is, you may never find it. If you are open to the possibility, you may.

parsy.


35 posted on 07/17/2009 6:36:56 PM PDT by parsifal ("Knock and ye shall receive!" (The Bible, somewhere.))
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To: Pelagius of Asturias
which religion is the true one?

The one that is unique. There is only one that doesn't require me to be a good person and puts the burden of saving me on God and not on me.

36 posted on 07/17/2009 6:36:59 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: LeGrande
"This is probably the number one problem with the conservative movement."

I'm not talking about a movement, I'm talking about a website.

37 posted on 07/17/2009 6:37:01 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Gideon7

‘But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness’, is that an answer? Doesn’t it require a certain belief in the bible?


38 posted on 07/17/2009 6:37:39 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles

I agree.


39 posted on 07/17/2009 6:41:23 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: SeekAndFind

well here’s my short answer: it is unequally rational - Santa is a cultural icon and God is the object and subject of 3 major religious belief systems(Christianity,Judaism and Islam) with milliions of believers throughout the world.

Personally, i think the posting is immature and your questions somehow weirdly juvenile .


40 posted on 07/17/2009 6:41:44 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT (Mac Conchradha - "Skeagh mac en chroe"- Skaghvicencrowe)
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To: All

I grew up during the polio epidemics of the early fifties. I never understood why a loving God would allow so many children to have polio. I would go to Sunday School and learn “Jesus Loves Me” and “Jesus Loves the Little Children,” and on Monday I would give money to the March of Dimes. That has haunted me these many years. I still wonder what became of those unfortunate children who posed for those posters, especially those who were imprisoned in the iron lungs. Just so you all will know, I was five years old in 1952.


41 posted on 07/17/2009 6:42:36 PM PDT by Pelagius of Asturias
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To: SeekAndFind

This all gets filed under philosophy. Philosophers strike me as people who like to talk a lot, like to string words together in a kind of magic loop designed to leave the listener with no good answer, and like to satisfy themselves that somehow they have proved or disproved some aspect of existence. Like magicians, they set up a situation in which they control the props and manipulate them to produce an expected outcome. The manager at WalMart in the example is such a prop. Words. Like a magician’s smoke, fog and mirrors.

Question for philosopher/atheist: Why do you give a rat’s ass what I do or don’t believe? Do something productive with your time.


42 posted on 07/17/2009 6:42:43 PM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: SeekAndFind
Any kid that believes in Santa Claus after kindergarten is dumber than a box of rocks.
43 posted on 07/17/2009 6:42:51 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Raycpa

Saving you from what?


44 posted on 07/17/2009 6:43:11 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: MissDairyGoodnessVT

This just in: Mohammed’s God ain’t the same one Christians and Jews worship.


45 posted on 07/17/2009 6:44:03 PM PDT by Pelagius of Asturias
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To: SeekAndFind

It is not a good question.Children believe in Santa Claus.The question posed by the author is silly.


46 posted on 07/17/2009 6:47:07 PM PDT by fatima (Free hugs today :).)
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To: Pelagius of Asturias

that we know for sure but it still doesn’t diminish the fact that Islam is a major world religion and growing ( unfortunately)


47 posted on 07/17/2009 6:47:57 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT (Mac Conchradha - "Skeagh mac en chroe"- Skaghvicencrowe)
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To: gorush

I like your reply you said somethings I wanted to say but didn’t


48 posted on 07/17/2009 6:49:16 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT (Mac Conchradha - "Skeagh mac en chroe"- Skaghvicencrowe)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, I believe in Christ & in Santa!!


49 posted on 07/17/2009 6:50:59 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Thus far in this thread, no one has answered the question posed by the author:

If it appears irrational to ascribe the acquisition of the watch to Santa Claus, why is it not equally irrational to ascribe it to God? In short, what makes the Christian any more rational than Alfred (who invoked Santa as the one who gave him his watch)?

OK, I'll take the bait. It is really quite simple. In the first instance, the writer makes it very clear that the interviewer is of the understanding that the adult person who says Santa Claus gave him the watch literally believes that some guy in a red suit came down his chimney and left the watch under the tree. So, of course the interviewer thinks the guy is crazy - who wouldn't.

But within the context of modern human society, adults of normal intelligence understand that people often thank the Lord, or explain that something they achieved was a result of prayer, or inspiration from some spiritual process. If the interviewer were to actually think that the person who says his watch was a result of praying for it, or the Lord's grace, was stating that the watch literally came from the Lord -- as in it was handed to him by God or Jesus himself -- then the interviewer would be more crazy than the fellow who believes in Santa Claus.

The person who relates his possession of the watch to his spiritual activities is making a statement about himself and his beliefs in the context of well understood shared aspects and norms of our culture. That isn't irrational at all.

So the hypothetical is really about a much different question than the author purports it to be. It is just one of many attempts to use clever wording and shallow logic to attempt to avoid facing the reality and power of spirituality.

50 posted on 07/17/2009 6:52:49 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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