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Skip to comments.50 Reasons Why We Are Living In The End Times: Part 1
Posted on 07/25/2009 2:40:04 AM PDT by Quix
The Bible says we cannot know the time of the Lord's return (Matthew 25:13). But the Scriptures make it equally clear that we can know the season of the Lord's return (1 Thessalonians 5:2-6):
"You yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night... But you brethren, are not in darkness, that the day should overtake you like a thief; for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night or darkness; so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be alert and sober."
This passage asserts that Jesus is coming like "a thief in the night." But then it proceeds to make it clear that this will be true only for the pagan world and not for believers. His return should be no surprise to those who know Him and His Word, for they have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to give them understanding of the nature of the times.
Furthermore, the Scriptures give us signs to watch for signs that will signal that Jesus is ready to return. The writer of the Hebrew letter referred to these signs when he proclaimed that believers should encourage one another when they see the day of judgment drawing near (Hebrews 10:25-27). Jesus also referred to the end time signs in His Olivet Discourse, given during the last week of His life (Matthew 24 and Luke 21). Speaking of a whole series of signs which He had given to His disciples, He said, "When you see all these things, recognize that He [the Son of Man that is, Jesus] is near, right at the door" (Matthew 24:33).
A Personal Experience
Every time I think of "Signs of the Times," I am reminded of a great man of God named Elbert Peak. I had the privilege of participating with him in a Bible prophecy conference held in Orlando, Florida in the early 1990's. Mr. Peak was about 80 years old at the time.
He had been assigned the topic, "The Signs of the Times." He began his presentation by observing, "Sixty years ago when I first started preaching, you had to scratch around like a chicken to find one sign of the Lord's soon return."
He paused for a moment, and then added, "But today there are so many signs I'm no longer looking for them. Instead, I'm listening for a sound the sound of a trumpet!"
The First Sign
One hundred years ago in 1907 there was not one single, tangible, measurable sign that indicated we were living in the season of the Lord's return. The first to appear was the Balfour Declaration which was issued by the British government on November 2, 1917.
This Declaration was prompted by the fact that during World War I the Turks sided with the Germans. Thus, when Germany lost the war, so did the Turks, and the victorious Allies decided to divide up both the German and Turkish empires.
The Turkish territories, called the Ottoman Empire, contained the ancient homeland of the Jewish people an area the Romans had named Palestine after the last Jewish revolt in 132-135 AD.
In 1917 Palestine included all of modern day Israel and Jordan. In the scheme the Allies concocted for dividing up the German and Turkish territories, Britain was allotted Palestine, and this is what prompted the Balfour Declaration. In that document, Lord Balfour, the British Foreign Secretary, declared that it was the intention of the British government to establish in Palestine "a national home for the Jewish people."
The leading Evangelical in England at the time was F. B. Meyer. He immediately recognized the prophetic significance of the Declaration, for he was well aware that the Scriptures prophesy that the Jewish people will be regathered to their homeland in unbelief right before the return of the Messiah (Isaiah 11:11-12).
Meyer sent out a letter to the Evangelical leaders of England asking them to gather in London in December to discuss the prophetic implications of the Balfour Declaration. In that letter, he stated, "The signs of the times point toward the close of the time of the Gentiles... and the return of Jesus can be expected any moment."
Before Meyer's meeting could be convened, another momentous event occurred. On December 11, 1917 General Edmund Allenby liberated the city of Jerusalem from 400 years of Turkish rule.
There is no doubt that these events in 1917 marked the beginning of the end times because they led to the worldwide regathering of the Jewish people to their homeland and the reestablishment of their state.
Since the time of the Balfour Declaration, we have witnessed throughout the 20th Century the appearance of sign after sign pointing to the Lord's soon return. There are so many of these signs today, in fact, that one would have to be either biblically illiterate or spiritually blind not to realize that we are living on borrowed time.
I have personally been searching the Bible for years in an effort to identify all the signs, and it has not been an easy task to get a hold on them. That's because there are so many of them, both in the Old and New Testaments.
I have found that the best way to deal with them is to put them in categories, and in doing that, I have come up with six categories of end time signs. We will explore these catetories beginning in Part 2 of this series.
I am downloading your book right now. And, thank you for posting it, Quix.
Dispensationalism's Eschatological Dilemma by Jack Kettler
Those who live in glass houses should not cast stones, lest their own house shatters.
A racially based, divinely ordained manifest destiny to rule the world for a thousand years. Where've we heard that before?
a number of folks hereon do
NOT have PhDs in psychology.
Witchcraft, from Miskatonic U.? No, can't say I do.
Reformed Covenant Theology misses the boat completely in falsely declaring all prophecy of the Great Tribulation was fulfilled in 70AD.
I'd be interested to see a list of what authors in that field you've actually read, that you make a statement like that.
Who've you read?
Ask any Preterits about bad eschatology.
What's a "Preterits"?
Does anyone see the probable Israeli attack on Iran as the trigger to the beginning of the end?
Possibly, but not in a way you would like.
I see speculation in dispenstaionalist circles that the deathtoll from such a war would be quite disproportionate. 1-200K Israeli, vs. ~20M Iranians.
Should this come to pass, and Israel is involved with the largest human mass death event in recorded history, the Christian Zionists would doubtless continue to offer unqualified support of the modern secular state of Israel. On their account the church will be viewed by the world as bloodthirsty loons, well worthy of suppression. The CZs might, ironically, become the cause of "the camp of the saints" (which would be the church) being besieged and surrounded.
Will things be returned to an agrarian era or continue on with technology after Armageddon?
The war of the mountain of God is IT. The End. This age becomes the age to come. New heavens, new earth.
Haven’t read it.
It looks like it might be worth the bother, though.
Mystifying how some folks and perspectives can pontificate with so much abject irrelevant drivel as one sees for several posts above.
Perhaps there’s a subscription to theological drivel and nonsense that folks get hypnotically seduced into????
Leaked FEMA Training Video - Domestic Terrorism
Calling our founding fathers terrorists.
This seems to be a technique that takes advantage of youths who’s minds are absorbing this rhetoric as the gospel truth.
Even if only a small percent are manipulated to the extreme, the potential of no conscience chain of command order execution by these pre-conditioned soldiers could give credence to the issue;
Would our brothers/sisters/sons/daughters active military turn against their own families by merely following orders, void of any conscience regard of it’s legitimacy or nature?
Microwave weapon will rain pain from the sky.
THE Pentagon’s enthusiasm for non-lethal crowd-control weapons appears to have stepped up a gear with its decision to develop a microwave pain-infliction system that can be fired from an aircraft. The device is an extension of its controversial Active Denial System, which uses microwaves to heat the surface of the skin, creating a painful sensation without burning that strongly motivates the target to flee. The ADS was unveiled in 2001, but it has not been deployed owing to legal issues and safety fears.
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THE Pentagon’s enthusiasm for non-lethal crowd-control weapons appears to have stepped up a gear with its decision to develop a microwave pain-infliction system that can be fired from an aircraft.
The device is an extension of its controversial Active Denial System, which uses microwaves to heat the surface of the skin, creating a painful sensation without burning that strongly motivates the target to flee. The ADS was unveiled in 2001, but it has not been deployed owing to legal issues and safety fears.
Nevertheless, the Pentagon’s Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate (JNLWD) in Quantico, Virginia, has now called for it to be upgraded. The US air force, whose radar technology the ADS is based on, is increasing its annual funding of the system from $2 million to $10 million.
The transmitting antenna on the current system is 2 metres across, produces a single beam of similar width and is steered mechanically, making it cumbersome. At the heart of the new weapon will be a compact airborne antenna, which will be steered electronically and be capable of generating multiple beams, each of which can be aimed while on the move.
The new antenna will be steered electronically and is capable of generating multiple heat beams
The ADS has been dogged by controversy. Jürgen Altmann, a physicist at Dortmund University in Germany, showed that the microwave beams can cause serious burns at levels not far above those required to repel people. This was verified when a US airman was hospitalised with second-degree burns during testing in April 2007.
The airborne version will not make it any less contentious. “Independent of the mode of production, with this size of antenna the beam will show variations of intensity with distance - not just a simple decrease - up to about 500 metres,” says Altmann. Shooting it on the move with any accuracy will be difficult, he adds.
Dave Law, head of the technology division of the JNLWD, says the new antenna will operate at the lowest possible effective power level and will have a sophisticated automated target-tracking system.
In a recent cost-benefit analysis, the US Government Accountability Office rated the ADS worst out of eight non-lethal weapons currently in development.
I'm sure this has been well thought out by DHS and military planners.
Deploying troops in unfamiliar parts of the country, not near their hometowns.
Personally, if it came down to that, I'd perfer foreign troops. Those little blue berets make excellent targets.
I have a lot of . . .
for your seDiments and assertions.
Saturday, July 25, 2009
‘Two Groups, Which One are You?
‘In that day shall this song be sung in the land of Judah; We have a strong city; salvation will GOD appoint for walls and bulwarks. Open ye the gates, that the righteous nation which keepeth the truth may enter in. Isaiah 26:1,2
‘Oh what a day that will be! A day when the righteous nation of YAHWEH’S faithful enter through the gates of the NEW JERUSALEM! With salvation appointed for the walls and bulwarks a city under the complete reign and dominion of JESUS CHRIST, the KING of kings and the LORD of lords!
‘The day comes when we will be able to say to our LORD, O LORD our GOD, other lords besides thee have had dominion over us; but by thee only will we make mention of thy name. They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory perish. Isaiah 26:13,14
‘The day will come when the unrighteous regimes of man will cease to exist. No longer to rule and reign with a heavy hand, no longer capable of suppressing, suffocating, or burdening the children of the MOST HIGH. JESUS CHRIST has come to set the captives free and in the coming days another release from Egypt will be under way.
‘To be set free we must be loosed from the chains that hold us, to be loosed we must give ourselves wholly over to JESUS CHRIST, being washed in HIS blood, and being preserved for HIS glory! How can we be truly free if we still dwell in Egypt? How can we be free if we still sleep with the harlot’s of Babylon? How can we profess to be one thing when our lives tell a different story? It starts with the blood and the understanding that the blood is the separation from one house to the next, one person from the next, and the ultimate difference between the coming hour of testing or the hour of unspeakable terror.
‘Two groups will emerge in the coming days. The first group has been chosen since before the foundations of the world, though chosen, their free will has brought them to embrace the SON of GOD, these will endure a great testing, supernatural provision, and receive an out pouring of the HOLY SPIRIT to see them through the final hour. This group will receive peace in the midst of chaos, a peace that exceeds all understanding, and a people who will emerge from the fire untouched and spotless.
‘The second group will be a people who have chosen to follow the pursuits of flesh, a people who mocked and scoffed at the hour they were told would come. These will live in unspeakable terror, having rejected the TRUTH to follow a lie, having rather slept with the harlots of Babylon in the houses of Egyptians than become separated and made whole, preserved from the fire. These will have no peace, peace in not found in the carnal mind of man, it is not obtainable outside of the hand of YAHWEH, these will quiver and shake, many will die from fear alone. If only they had turned from their wickedness and embraced the TRUTH of JESUS CHRIST.’
Excerpted, go to prayersforthepeople.com see in its entirety,
[see Isaiah 26:5-12]
and more excerpted,
‘I have searched for the words to explain the coming days, but in such days words have not been created to adequately describe such horrors.
‘Men, women, and children will physically come face to face with the enemy, those who come to steal, kill, and destroy. Young and old will be confronted with the depths of Hades, the wicked that follow after Death.
‘The media will call it extraterrestrial encounters, but those with eyes will see the truth and know these are abominations of a time history has purposefully caused the populace to forget, blinding and deceiving the masses into accepting and worshiping the wicked beings once again.
‘All the horror films can’t even touch the panic soon to grip the hearts of the wicked. It troubles me and grieves me to think of all who will perish; having rejected the truth, please don’t be one of these. I don’t care about my reputation, I don’t care if I am called crazy or stupid, persecute me if you like, whatever.... I only speak what I have to speak because a message has been placed within my lips that I cannot contain. I proclaim such things in the hope that not as many will perish and more will be spared.
‘Soon we will understand better the word fall.
‘Fall- v.i. [fell, fallen, falling] 1, drop or sink from a higher to a lower level; descend rapidly; decline, 2, (sometimes with down) tumble to the ground, esp. after stumbling. 3, die. 4, come by chance. 5, occur. 6, pass from one condition to another. 7, (with away) decline. 8, (with for) be deceived by. 9, (with for) become enamored of. 10, (with in) take one’s place in line; hence agree. 11, (with out) quarrel. 12, (with through) not come to exist; miscarry. -n 1, the act or result of falling. 2, (often cap) the season from Sept. 22 to Dec 21; autumn. -fall guy (slang) victim; scapegoat; dupe. -falling sickness, epilepsy. -falling star, meteorite. -fall off, 1, decrease; diminish. 2, separate; withdraw.
‘Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee. Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength. Isaiah 26:3,4
‘Seek ye first the kingdom of GOD.
‘God bless, daniel’
End of excerpt.
That God’s people will not be in the dark as to the time of return of his son when it is near, there can be no supportable argument. - This seems to make many uncomfortable, in as much as they personally have no idea when he will return.
The main reason for this discomfort is a lack of Bible study. There are many “doctrines of devils” that act as enablers to this lack of awareness, the chief of which are Covenant theology, and Amillenialism, neither of which stand up to even the most cursory logical analysis of the scriptures.
All of God’s coming events are foretold in his appointed feasts and times. This should be a powerful clue as to how to search and prepare for these events.
Well put. Works for me.
The secret, pre-trib rapture is a necessary consequence of the dispensational system, key to which is the radical (heretical) view of the distinction between Israel and the Church.
The pre-trib rapture, not being plainly or literally taught in the Bible, is an outgrowth from within dispensationalism made believable due to the view that God has future wrath in store for the national Israel which the Church is to avoid. Further, this distinction results from dispensationalism's two people view, i.e., Israel being a physical people of God and the Church being the spiritual people of God.
The 1981 rapture hullabaloo is perfectly consistent with the idea that the 1948 constitution of secular Israel had prophetic significance, and that passages like Matthew 24 involving the parable of the fig tree and idea that the great tribulation would come upon the generation that witnessed the budding of the fig tree (aka the establishment of secular Israel).
The most important sign in Matthew has to be the restoration of the Jews to the land in the rebirth of Israel. Even the figure of speech fig tree has been a historic symbol of national Israel. When the Jewish people, after nearly 2,000 years of exile, under relentless persecution, became a nation again on 14 May 1948 the fig tree put forth its first leaves. Jesus said that this would indicate that He was at the door, ready to return. Then He said, Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place (Matthew 24:34, NASB). What generation? Obviously, in context, the generation that would see the signschief among them the rebirth of Israel. A generation in the Bible is something like forty years. If this is a correct deduction, then within forty years or so of 1948, all these things could take place. Many scholars who have studied Bible prophecy all their lives believe that this is so. [Hal Lindsey,The Late Great Planet Earth, pp 53-54]A whole host of popular dispensationalists, including Lindsey, Chuck Smith, and Edgar Whisenant, advanced this teaching. It was widely accepted within the dispensational community at the time. In fact, I am not aware of any noted dispensationalists who disagreed with the teaching to oppose it publicly.
The popularity of dispensationalism owes much to the biblical illiteracy of the folks in the pew. It is not really a thinking man's eschatology. Any chimp can make a list of 50 things and, using dispensational techniques, find support for those 50 things as end time evidences from the Bible. It has that very thing in common with Jehovah's Witnesses and other cults. They rely on the ignorance of those who listen and believe.
Today’s REPLACEMENTARIAN balderdash
appears to be brought to us by the usual contingent of those who appear to major in Rubber Bibles, Rubber Histories and extremely erratic, convoluted constructions on pseudo theological ‘reality.’
FWIW . . . on a frequent alternative news site topic . . .
An interesting thread and pic from ATS:
Re purported prison cars
ORIGINAL CAPTION: Your fiat money at work building these bi-level prison cars (by the thousands according to the San Francisco Chronicle) built by KBR (Kellogg, Brown and Root, a subsidiary of Halliburton). These were parked on the tracks behind a pecan orchard managed by one of my friends in Texas a few months back. They were completely hidden from the highway that paralleled the orchard.The Fetid Feds only moved them at night. It has been reported that some of these beauties have been prepositioned in each state. (Submitted by Ric H.)
another poster, KSPigpen, says:
Do you have a link saying these cars were actually made by the Haliburton subsidiary? They look a lot like car carriers.
I don’t see why FEMA, or anyone else would need to make special cars for herding folks into a camp, or something...there are plenty of cargo containers already. Why waste any of their money to make things more humane for anyone else?
They look a lot like car carriers.
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A third poster, ManBehindTheMask, adds:
Yeah ive seen these a lot as ive lived in several towns with really active train transports.
What they are is for transporting vehicles, thats the kind of train car it is, there are also stock (cattle cars) designed very similar. Now, if they are being used for something else who knows.
But given what i know of Texas (im from there) and the location of the ones you mentioned, i would say they are probably being used, or WILL be used for that, however, with all the crazy stuff going on in the last year and its escalation, who knows.
I think its very important that we be objective regardless, I also believe its safer to sleep with one eye open nice find
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Original poster, samhouston1886 , replies:
I have nothing further than those images, I know this is the home of the skeptic and that’s why I posted them here.
I am not friend of the NWO and I believe that it is very real but I also know that the net is packed with liars and people that do not know what they are talking about.
The purpose of this post is to find an alternate explanation other than the one that is provided with the images.
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followed by the very logical:
ShadowMaster ‘s post:
Those are for moving cars. What you are seeing is the latest version and suppose to be more secure than the older ones. The reason you see them sitting all over the place or left on a siding somewhere is because as a Nation we are not selling many cars these days.
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Todays REPLACEMENTARIAN balderdash
....A whole host of popular dispensationalists, including Lindsey, Chuck Smith, and Edgar Whisenant, advanced this teaching. It was widely accepted within the dispensational community at the time. In fact, I am not aware of any noted dispensationalists who disagreed with the teaching to oppose it publicly.
Another cute non-sequitur photo brought to us by the REPLACEMENTARIANS of FR.
Appears to play on the trite, tired old pretend guilt by pretend association ploy.
But we should probably be compassionate toward them. When their UNBiblical arguments are so foundationally weak, what else can they do!
"This time for sure Rocky"
"But that trick never works."
Another cute non-sequitur photo brought to us by the REPLACEMENTARIANS of FR.
Maybe you missed the point. Let me explain. This is visible evidence of yet another in a long series of missed, "this time for sure Rocky", end of the world predictions. Date setting (or date suggesting, if you prefer) is something your party does a lot.
Lost down the memory hole at the dispensational Ministry of Truth.
I gather the fitting use of the term—of noting that their pics and posts are vivid examples of “non-sequiturs”
escapes the REPLACEMENTARIANS.
NO big surprise there! LOL.
When one believes RUBBER BIBLES AND RUBBER HISTORIES
over the Word of God . . .
lots of things just do not compute properly.
lots of things just do not compute properly.
There's no true interaction with the input of others taking place, only a poor imitation. You're an Eliza type program, aren't you?
It’s been a frequent observation of mine . . .
folks refuse to believe basic Scripture,
dialogue with them is problematic to impossible.
So, I don’t hold out a lot of hope that any meaningful discussion can be had with RELPLACEMENTARIANS, A-MILS, PRETERISTS, POST MILS, RUN-OF-THE-MIL pseudo-theology pretenders.
About 30 CE: The Christian Scriptures (New Testament), when interpreted literally, appear to record many predictions by Jeshua of Nazareth (Jesus Christ) that God’s Kingdom would arrive within a very short period, or was actually in the process of arriving. For example, Jesus is recorded as saying in Matthew 16:28: “...there shall be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” In Matthew 24:34, Yeshua is recorded as saying: “...This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.” Since the life expectancy in those days was little over 30 years, Jesus appears to have predicted his second coming sometime during the 1st century CE. It didn’t happen. More details.
About 60 CE: Interpreting the Epistles of Paul of Tarsus literally, his writings seem to imply that Jesus would return and usher in a rapture during the lifetime of persons who were living in the middle of the 1st century. More details.
About 90 CE: Saint Clement 1 predicted that the world end would occur at any moment.
2nd Century CE: Prophets and Prophetesses of the Montanist movement predicted that Jesus would return sometime during their lifetime and establish the New Jerusalem in the city of Pepuza in Asia Minor.
365 CE: A man by the name of Hilary of Poitiers, announced that the end would happen that year. It didn’t.
375 to 400 CE: Saint Martin of Tours, a student of Hilary, was convinced that the end would happen sometime before 400 CE.
500 CE: This was the first year-with-a-nice-round-number-panic. The antipope Hippolytus and an earlier Christian academic Sextus Julius Africanus had predicted Armageddon at about this year.
968 CE: An eclipse was interpreted as a prelude to the end of the world by the army of the German emperor Otto III.
992: Good Friday coincided with the Feast of the Annunciation; this had long been believed to be the event that would bring forth the Antichrist, and thus the end-times events foretold in the book of Revelation. Records from Germany report that a new sun rose in the north and that as many as 3 suns and 3 moons were fighting. There does not appear to be independent verification of this remarkable event.
1000-JAN-1: Many Christians in Europe had predicted the end of the world on this date. As the date approached, Christian armies waged war against some of the Pagan countries in Northern Europe. The motivation was to convert them all to Christianity, by force if necessary, before Christ returned in the year 1000. Meanwhile, some Christians had given their possessions to the Church in anticipation of the end. Fortunately, the level of education was so low that many citizens were unaware of the year. They did not know enough to be afraid. Otherwise, the panic might have been far worse than it was. Unfortunately, when Jesus did not appear, the church did not return the gifts. Serious criticism of the Church followed. The Church reacted by exterminating some heretics. Agitation settled down quickly.
1000-MAY: The body of Charlemagne was disinterred on Pentecost. A legend had arisen that an emperor would rise from his sleep to fight the Antichrist.
1005-1006: A terrible famine throughout Europe was seen as a sign of the nearness of the end.
1033: Some believed this to be the 1000th anniversary of the death and resurrection of Jesus. His second coming was anticipated. Jesus’ actual date of execution is unknown, but is believed to be in the range of 27 to 33 CE.
1147: Gerard of Poehlde decided that the millennium had actually started in 306 CE during Constantine’s reign. Thus, the world end was expected in 1306 CE.
1179: John of Toledo predicted the end of the world during 1186. This estimate was based on the alignment of many planets.
1205: Joachim of Fiore predicted in 1190 that the Antichrist was already in the world, and that King Richard of England would defeat him. The Millennium would then begin, sometime before 1205.
1284: Pope Innocent III computed this date by adding 666 years onto the date the Islam was founded.
1346 and later: The black plague spread across Europe, killing one third of the population. This was seen as the prelude to an immediate end of the world. Unfortunately, the Christians had previously killed a many of the cats, fearing that they might be familiars of Witches. The fewer the cats, the more the rats. It was the rat fleas that spread the black plague.
1496: This was approximately 1500 years after the birth of Jesus. Some mystics in the 15th century predicted that the millennium would begin during this year.
1524: Many astrologers predicted the imminent end of the world due to a world wide flood. They obviously had not read the Genesis story of the rainbow.
1533: Melchior Hoffman predicted that Jesus’ return would happen a millennium and a half after the nominal date of his execution, in 1533. The New Jerusalem was expected to be established in Strasbourg, Germany. He was arrested and died in a Strasbourg jail.
1669: The Old Believers in Russia believed that the end of the world would occur in this year. 20 thousand burned themselves to death between 1669 and 1690 to protect themselves from the Antichrist.
1689: Benjamin Keach, a 17th century Baptist, predicted the end of the world for this year.
1736: British theologian and mathematician William Whitson predicted a great flood similar to Noah’s for OCT-13 of this year.
1792: This was the date of the end of the world calculated by some believers in the Shaker movement.
1794: Charles Wesley, one of the founders of Methodism, thought Doomsday would be in this year.
1830: Margaret McDonald, a Christian prophetess, predicted that Robert Owen would be the Antichrist. Owen helped found New Harmony, IN.
1832?: Joseph Smith (1805-1844) was the founder of the Church of Christ, which became the Restorationist movement after many schisms. It now includes The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — a.k.a. the Mormons, and about a hundred other denominations and sects. He heard a voice while praying. He wrote, in Doctrines and Covenants section 130:
14: “I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following:”
15: “Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter.”
16: “I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face.”
17: “I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than that time.” 14
The year in which this event occurred is not recorded. However, one commentator suggested 1832 or earlier. 16 Smith is later recorded as having said:
“I prophesy in the name of the Lord God, and let it be written—the Son of Man will not come in the clouds of heaven till I am eighty-five years old.” 17
Smith would have reached the age of 85 during 1890. Unfortunately, by that year, Smith had been dead for almost a half century, having been assassinated by a mob. Note that his prophecy is ambiguous. It can be interpreted that:
Jesus would return during 1890 (which did not materialize) or that
1890 would pass without Jesus’ return (which did come to pass).
Some anti-Mormon sources quote only verses 14 and 15, and draw the former conclusion — that Smith’s prophecy failed.
Amen. “All one in Christ Jesus.”
Some folks have always believed in flakey sources; flakey interpretations of Scripture etc. etc. etc. yada, yada, yada.
Thankfully, Believing in and
clear basic Scripture is not near so problematic . . .
but only, evidently,
for those with eyes to see and ears to hear . . .
which . . . evidently . . .
excludes virtually all REPLACEMENTARIANS, A-MILS, PRETERISTS, POST MILS And no few run-of-the-mils.
So, I dont hold out a lot of hope that any meaningful discussion can be had with RELPLACEMENTARIANS, A-MILS, PRETERISTS, POST MILS, RUN-OF-THE-MIL pseudo-theology pretenders.
Yeah, yeah, whatever. Blah, blah, blah. Same old meaningless spew. "You" have a lot of macros defined, don't "you".
It doesn’t require much complex thought
to recognize the usual
RUBBER BIBLED; RUBBER HISTORIED
groundless mindlessness of the
REPLACEMENTARIAN, a-mil, post mil, preterist perspectives.
Awwwwwwwwwwwww . . . . sooooooooo cute.
When substance is lacking . . . I guess there’s cute.
However . . .
anything that keeps REPLACEMENTARIANS off the streets
is probably to the good.
Smith wrote in 1980 that from his understanding of biblical prophecies, he was convinced that the Lord [would come] for His Church before the end of 1981. He did add that he could be wrong but went on to say in the same sentence that its a deep conviction in my heart, and all my plans are predicated upon that belief. Notice the last statement. He may have voiced some doubts, but actions speak louder than words. He made plans based on his beliefs that were founded on his understanding of biblical prophecies. Remember, LaHaye wrote that Smiths teaching is true to the Scripture which is a hallmark of all of Pastor Chucks teaching. On these and other prophetic claims, the test of time has proved Smith to be wrong.
Such cute but silly redundancy from the empty, hollow perspective.
I wonder if there’s a cure for
A REPLACEMENTARIAN TITLE, evidently.
Seems like that’s all they know how to deal in vis a vis Biblical END TIMES PROPHECIES
. . . fiction . . .
The only sound argument a reformed believer has in not accepting the eschatology of dispensationalists, is to insist upon a spiritual interpretation of prophecy and reject the literal interpretation and in the process ignore discernible distinctions between Israel and the Church.
Dispensationalism well recognized nobody knows the time or the hour, so any charlatan claiming dispensationalism is date setting, fails to remain even intellectually honest when speaking of the doctrinal studies presented by dispensational believers.
It is interesting to see how so many persons claim to be believers in the Reformed theology who place Calvin as the Pope of Geneva, but fail to place the Word of God prior to that of their worshiped theologians.
Obviously such a premise is stated by somebody lacking in theological wherewithal to recognize the work at Dallas Theological Seminary for several decades before progressive dispensationalism slithered into its midst ushered in by Reformed backsliden believers.
All of the dispensational leaning pastors I've observed prefer to only teach from Greek and Hebrew, and consider anything less than 3-7 years study in each language respectively to be a sophmoric introduction to the study.
But even with such dedication, the simple truth is that by remaining in fellowship with God through faith in Christ, all of our understanding and sanctification comes through faith alone in Him alone.
There’s a lot of questionable stuff related to the WEB BOT PREDICTION stuff in terms of what the originators say about it.
Regardless, the software does seem to predict things with surprising accuracy.
Therefore, FWIW . . .
21 July 2009
WEB BOT PREDICTIONS FROM C2C SHOW . . .
WEB-BOT PREDICTIONS FROM COAST TO COAST
WEB-BOT PREDICTIONS FROM COAST TO COAST
I think the WEB BOTS software produces some interesting things . . . whether part of it is by demonic forces or whatever . . . , I dont know. It is an interesting collection of puzzle pieces.
NOTE: MY TRANSCRIPT IS VERY PARTIAL AND OFTEN MY OWN PARAPHRASE.
George Ure & ‘Clif’ discussed their web bot technology which has continued to give archetype descriptors of future events. Their method captures changes in language patterns within Internet forums. This aggregated data is then processed with software to determine various keywords, which they interpret in a predictive fashion. They foresee a number of negative cycles/events converging over the next few years:
A big crisis is kicked off on October 25, 2009. It could be that Israel bombs Iran, or that Swine Flu goes into a level of extreme lethality. 10 days later, in relation to this crisis, the Obama administration will be thrown into chaos.
When Israel bombs Iran, they’ll use a nuclear-tipped bunker buster that will hit something unforeseen underground. As a result, a radioactive cloud will form that will pollute and sicken Southeast Asia. This will cause much of the world to turn against Israel.
The “Death of the Dollar” will be a continuing trend, with a hyper inflationary period in 2010, and banking crises/confidence losses that will begin in August 2009 and escalate by November 2009.
“Global Coastal Phenomena” will be gradual, yet by March/April 2011 the situation could be disturbing for many people. Unusual movements of the Moon brought on by anomalies in the magnetosphere could cause coastal disruptions.
The magnetosphere problems could lead to ultraviolet scorching of food crops. Grain crops will fail, mainly in the Northern Hemisphere, leading to food riots in the winter of 2010/spring of 2011. Specifically, they’ll be riots in Rome that will spill over into the Vatican.
In South America, they’ll be large or mass sightings of UFO-related phenomena. In the summer of 2010, a video crew will interview an escapee from an internment facility. The young bald man will later be revealed to be a “non-Terran” human.
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AGAIN: NOTE: MY TRANSCRIPT IS VERY PARTIAL AND OFTEN MY OWN PARAPHRASE.
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The essence of the tech . . . back in 1997 . . . looking at future dev of stock prices as related to discussions on the internet of various companies . . . as it evolved . . . it started showing indications of predicting future events . . .
2001 . . . June . . . within 6 months . . . would experience a tipping point that would involve military and restrictions on travel etc.
How are you picking this out . . .
we operate on the [assumption] that everyone is psychic a bit . . . and when you are talking about bread pudding . . . you choose some words over others . . . . the spiders follow the keywords out a certain distance . . . and collect the words around the keywords . . .
You were predicting months and years ago about an economic calamity . . . you were right on . . . what were you picking up? What kinds of things did the software pickup.
We work at the level of archetypes . . . fear, frightened, afraid . . . we start at the top and drill down . . . fear and economic security, wealth, personal security . . . why are all these words around fear related to economics . . with emotional values . . .
. . . And weve missed it before in terms of specific locations . . . I was in the Burbank area . . . 2005/2006 Oct . . . we were expecting a quake in the SW of some magnitude . . . turns out it was in Pakistan . . . we were correct in terms of numbers of people killed, displaced and the latitude . . . but it was in Pakistan, instead.
GN: Do you make the prediction or does the software make the prediction . . . its probably the universe getting my attention . . . then we drill down and find out whats going on. Sometimes its not worth drilling down but other times its quite interesting/significant . . .
What kind of verbage do you pick up . . . what we saw then was the terrorism wording . . . we got terrorism right off and that drew our eyes there . . . and then we saw that it started going into power outage, river, railroads, South . . . when we have that kind of level of detail show up at our tertiary level . . . we take it very seriously . . . often the wording is related to the wording used after the eventwhich was a lot of folks were speculating that it had to do with terrorists.
Clif does the work.
George has provided some interesting theorems and postulates . . . that tend to prove true . . .
Basically, the longer the archetypes are there, the more significant the event . . . a city driven back to the mud from which it was built turned out to be New Orleans.
Weve been seeing things talk about the death of the dollar since 2003 . . . 2010, 2011 . . . gold and silver prices off the scale . . .
ITs not like the other agencies who care about who says what to whom.
First 3 months of next year will have all the emotional intensity of prior 7-8 years.
We do appear to see waves of increasing pressure . . .
Some people evidently will be walking along and then freeze-up.
As tough as anyone has ever seenpeople will make monuments to this time . . .
Heretofore has not even been the warmup for whats just ahead.
Cultural icons passing . . . a temporal marker . . . waiting for some sort of super yacht that gets involved in some sort of Mary Celeste sort of incident.
We have a hard time separating events on the ocean vs in space because the linguistics are so similar.
The American empire is rotting out from the middle. Some parts of the world will not have so far to fall. There may be parts of So America . . . why are some former Presidents owning land in Paraguay?
Parts of Siberia will flourish.
the rush to vaccinate against a non-lethal man-made disease
The powers that be have on their plate an agenda the destruction of a large portion of the population.
We only go out to about 18 months . . . . when I first sat down to assign numerical weights to emotional words . . . thats more effective in more immediate language useour language tends to cluster more to the immediate.
GN: Do some areas of the net prove more fruitful?
No. but some languages do . . . Russian, for example.
Right . . . all the negative emotions . . .
George: about 22 of Aug the economy will . . . something that started about mid Jul will surface . . . mid Sept . . . a lock down, a bank holiday . . . things continue to decline during Oct until 25th when its either were bombing Iran or mandatory vaccinations sets up a tremendous level of stress and Obama Adm would be in very defensive position by 1 week of Nov.
NK is going to pop up with a crazy something with a big ego something around 5 Nov . . . troubling us up thru March.
We dont know if its set or a probability.
Its like IF THIS, THEN THAT
If the Israelis attack, the language will be fulfilled in this way . . . if they dont, then the language would be fulfilled by some other event such as the flu mutating etc.
Around Oct 25, IF Israel bombs Iran, one possibility is that we get a cloud of radioactive dust that circles the planet nine times and we get a lot of deaths from that. . . . which would fill the language ill winds.
It could also be a virulent strain of the flu.
From the same part of the model that predicted 300,000 dead from the Banda Ache Tsunami/quake, were getting very horrific numbers of deaths in the near future.
The Illuminati appear to have set off a couple of threads months ago toward destroying a big chunk of the planets population.
Going to go into a period of fascistic thought . . . bloodline control structures/ families 500 years old . . .
The impetus toward revolution looks like it will turn violent . . .
Food in short supply by mid to late 2010.
A cadre of young people will be going out and salvaging homes and strip malls that are abandoned.
Will be a large mass sighting in So America.
Theres also some language talking about alien [ET] UFO wars.
Alien wars . . . beginning this year, we predicted wed start seeing an uptick in war and alien stuff . . . growth in contact theme starts to merge . . .
We cant tell necessarily whether well be fighting aliens or observing aliens fighting each other . . . so pervasive that it will be a common part of the daily societys discussions such as the bombing of Britain did with the British.
First well go thru the political disease and the new war problems beginning this fall . . .
Contact is not significant until 2010 . . .
Sometime in the chaos of next summer . . . refugees shifting around, fleeing around . . . some video crew out and about interviewing . . . will interview someone recently escaped from internment . . . not in the US . . . is a non-terran human . . . will capture on video that this is not a terran human that they wont notice at the moment but will see later on the video. The fellow should be young and bald . . . looks like an old wise man.
GN: You talk about American refugees up to 200 million fleeing to Canada.
10s of millions even 100s of millions of refugees fleeing north . . . looking for something that would fit that, be responsible for that . . . our detail may be wrong but the archetype accurate. Fear is going to drive people.
Going to be a giant food crisis.
Radioactive eruption . . . vis a vis Iran may via the jet stream cause folks to flee north.
A lot of people going to vegan diets.
The farming of animals will be effected . . . contamination radioactively or virally.
It appears that this is part of the PTB control mechanism that they are trying to implement.
This issue of the dollar dying . . . we dont produce anything . . . .Nov 4th this year to Nov 7th 2010
GN: Does it concern you that the government is not trying to fix any of this.
Government never fixes anything. All they can do is legislate and spend money. Neither of which they do wisely.
They will only make it worse.
Hyper inflation this fall.
THEY wont get things back in order. Well have to fix it. It will be all of us together from 2013 on.
Inventors all round the planet but not the USA.
DEATH OF THE DOLLARIT HURTS A LOTWILL HURT A LOT.
What happens when the dollar gets revalued externallywill take more dollars to buy . . . such as to buy oil.
Hyper inflationary period next year. $14 /oz silver $600 to buy an oz next year.
Were trying to figure out how to get our loved ones thrunot by investing in paper.
Farm animals, solar panels, tractor, good walking shoes, . . .
Will the powers that be try and remove the smart folks to have dumb serfs or all the serfs so not have to feed them.
People that have dollars have to realize that those dollars are losing value . . . over a years time . . . its use as an international currency will end.
Being associated with bankers, banking class etc. will be a liability. It gets very grisly.
The rage levels that will be coming out will be incredible.
Government start dropping off services.
Sub-contractors will start coming out revealing secrets . . . a base level of rage will increase dramatically.
If you exhibit conspicuous consumption of any kind . . . the mob of villagers with pitchforks . . . will turn on you.
Getting thru it is what matters.
Global coastal event . . .
Ultraviolet zapping of food plants particularly below 40th parallel . . . primarily in Northern Hemisphere . . .
Riots spill over . . . in Rome and they fight back at the Vatican and it gets worse and the Vatican will be raided/looted.
About a billion dead from either food crisis, radioactivity, flu or some combo thereof.
Availability of electricity and internet . . . time frame?
A lot seems to occur after July 2010
It appears that it will be spotty . . . big chunks of it may not be reachable in any given week.
Both cliff and I have made serious investments in solar panels.
Have multiple routes to the net.
2013 onward good for Canada . . . and So Africa will be sharing limelight re new electrics . . .with Russia
The next 4-5 years . . . anyones guess.
New electrics is a new tech coming along that will not be controlled by the powers that be and is widely acknowledged outside the USA internationally but not the US. Canada also has some natural crystals that will be a prized resource.
The Israelis fly a number of jets fly over and about half of them dont make it because they dont expect something that the Iranians have . . . they it something that theyre not aware of that starts a radioactive volcanic something that pollutes SE Asia . . . 25th of Oct . . . wont be any significant retaliation until 4-5th of Nov . . . Russia and China will demand that USA not do anything else Russia and China will destroy our military . . .
We might miss a war but probably barely.
NO organized government disclosure of UFOs
Food riot in Maryland . . . a government installation is looted resulting in lots of government secrets being found out.
Next couple to 3 years . . . will get proof theres non-terran humans, aliens, . . . .unrevealed ancient history . . .
Oct 25th either Israel or flu turns lethal . . . OThuga admin runs around like a chicken chased by a dog.
The disappearances were talking about is that the POWERS THAT BE start disappearing and some of their killers start disappearing . . . and body guards start disappearing . . . between one step and the next, the individual just disappears . . . from one step left in the dew marks . . . suddenly individual guard disappears . . . individuals start winking out of existence . . . like stumbling into a . . . time thing or something weird . . .
I didn’t realize
were THAT into Scofield.
Perhaps there’s a 12 step program somewhere that could help.
Of course, if folks believe that
virtually all Biblical END TIMES prophecies were fulfilled in 70 A.D.
they’ll believe that the Easter Bunny landed first on the moon;
that OThga is a sheep in wolf’s clothing;
that The Mark of the Beast is a cheap tattoo gone bad;
that The Biblical Two Witnesses to die in Jerusalem during the Great Tribulation will be two McDonald’s customers witnessing a drive by shooting by Palestinian patriots;
and who knows what other crazy irrational trash.
I wonder how they can read Scripture in any translation and sleep nights knowing how much they’ve mangled it between their ears.
Oh, right, Denial is so convenient.