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"Two-fold" Anglican Ch. Envisioned, 1 in Favor of Homosexuality and 1 Christian: Abp. of Cant.
LifeSiteNews ^ | 7/29/09 | Hilary White

Posted on 07/29/2009 11:56:39 AM PDT by wagglebee

CANTERBURY, UK, July 29, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Suggesting a "two-track" model for the Anglican Church, Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, said in a statement released Monday that the crisis over the acceptance of homosexuality in the Global Communion could be resolved by acknowledging "two styles of being Anglican." Williams was responding to the decision earlier this month by the US Episcopal Church to continue to ordain active homosexual clergy and bishops and "bless" same-sex partnerings.

In one "track," said the archbishop, the mainstream of Anglicanism would continue to hold to Christian beliefs of sex and marriage, and the other could continue to support homosexuality as a legitimate "lifestyle choice." This model, he said, could form "two ways of witnessing to the Anglican heritage."

In a statement that has been blasted as a barefaced attempt to "paper over" the growing schism in his Church, Williams said that although there is no "consensus" in the Anglican Communion on homosexuality, for those "whose vision of the Communion is different, there is no threat of being cast into outer darkness."

Nevertheless, Williams wrote, active homosexuals "should not be ordained priests, and especially not bishops." A person living in "such a union" is in the same situation as a "heterosexual person living in a sexual relationship outside the marriage bond" whose "chosen lifestyle is not one that the Church's teaching sanctions."

"So long as the Church Catholic, or even the Communion as a whole does not bless same-sex unions, a person living in such a union cannot without serious incongruity have a representative function in a Church whose public teaching is at odds with their lifestyle."

Williams, the titular head of the Worldwide Anglican Communion, said, however, that there is "at least the possibility" of a "twofold ecclesial reality in view in the middle distance." One would function as a fully "covenanted" body of the Anglican Communion and the other would exist in "less formal ways" and "with fewer formal expectations" but associated "in various kinds of mutual partnership" with the mainstream church.

While Williams praised ECUSA's "eagerness" to maintain its ties to the Anglican Communion, he said that "a realistic assessment" of ECUSA's decisions "does not suggest that it will repair the broken bridges into the life of other Anglican provinces."

Other observers have been more blunt, saying that ECUSA's recent decisions are the final straw for orthodox Anglican Christians.

The Rt. Rev. Tom Wright, Bishop of Durham in the Church of England, wrote to the Times of London saying that ECUSA's vote makes a clear break with the rest of the Anglican Communion. "In the slow-moving train crash of international Anglicanism, a decision taken in California has finally brought a large coach off the rails altogether," he wrote.

"Both the bishops and deputies (lay and clergy) of TEC knew exactly what they were doing," Wright continued. "They were telling the Archbishop of Canterbury and the other 'instruments of communion' that they were ignoring their plea for a moratorium on consecrating practicing homosexuals as bishops."


Read recent LifeSiteNews.com coverage:

US Episcopalian Bishops Vote to Affirm Ordination of Homosexual Clergy "to Any Ordained Ministry"
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/jul/09071508.html

New Conservative Anglican Intiative Receives Unofficial Support of Queen Elizabeth
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/jul/09070706.html



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In a statement that has been blasted as a barefaced attempt to "paper over" the growing schism in his Church, Williams said that although there is no "consensus" in the Anglican Communion on homosexuality, for those "whose vision of the Communion is different, there is no threat of being cast into outer darkness."

Huh?

1 posted on 07/29/2009 11:56:39 AM PDT by wagglebee
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To: sionnsar; Huber

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2 posted on 07/29/2009 11:57:06 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 07/29/2009 11:57:58 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I wonder which group he’ll join?


4 posted on 07/29/2009 11:58:15 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: wagglebee

So wait. Are Anglicans supposed to witness to the “Anglican Heritage”? Or to the Christ, the Son of the Living God?

I’m confused. Is the Anglican Church a Christian Church, or is it not?


5 posted on 07/29/2009 11:59:35 AM PDT by chesley ("Hate" -- You wouldn't understand; it's a leftist thing)
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To: wagglebee
Row... y'all be better off standin with the Lord...
6 posted on 07/29/2009 12:00:09 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: wagglebee

What a doofus. What will they use for scriptures in “Anglican-Lite”?


7 posted on 07/29/2009 12:10:18 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Media: quit making things up." --Sarah Palin)
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To: wagglebee

You can compromise with evil and call yourself Christian.

One of the basic tenets of Christianity.


8 posted on 07/29/2009 12:12:10 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie
Wow, I should read before I post. Should have been: You CAN'T compromise with evil and call yourself Christian.
9 posted on 07/29/2009 12:12:52 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie
You can compromise with evil and call yourself Christian.

One of the basic tenets of Christianity.

Is this sarcasm or a typo?

10 posted on 07/29/2009 12:13:34 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: SoConPubbie

Okay, disregard my last post to you.


11 posted on 07/29/2009 12:13:58 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Albion Wilde

Probably some new age, feel good rag or maybe just the lyrics of Kumbaya.


12 posted on 07/29/2009 12:15:46 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: chesley
Is the Anglican Church a Christian Church, or is it not?

There never was an Anglican Church. There was a communion of Anglican Churches. Until recently, all were Christian and, despite varying cultures and liturgical emphases, shared a distinguishable body of doctrine.

So they've gone from the Anglican Communion to the Anglican Impaired Communion, to the Anglican Tracks. It's a mess that only the English could have stewed up.

13 posted on 07/29/2009 12:17:44 PM PDT by trad_anglican
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To: wagglebee

14 posted on 07/29/2009 12:24:15 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Media: quit making things up." --Sarah Palin)
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To: trad_anglican

Great explanation, though the Americans have certainly had a hand in it to with Robinson.


15 posted on 07/29/2009 12:24:52 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
...the decision earlier this month by the US Episcopal Church to continue to ordain active homosexual clergy and bishops and "bless" same-sex partnerings.

Just an attempt to destroy Christianity in particular and religion in general.

16 posted on 07/29/2009 12:26:29 PM PDT by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, hey-hey, ho-ho!)
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To: Albion Wilde

I’m not sure if this will work, all I see are white men who don’t look like they’re homosexuals.


17 posted on 07/29/2009 12:27:07 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: jeffc
Just an attempt to destroy Christianity in particular and religion in general.

No, just Christianity and traditional Orthodox Judaism. Buddhism, Hinduism and certainly Islam will be left alone, Wicca, Druidism and other nonsense will be encouraged.

18 posted on 07/29/2009 12:29:27 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Why don’t you talk to God about “two styles” of being saved.

I don’t believe the Almighty offers salvation as a smorgasbord.


19 posted on 07/29/2009 12:37:15 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: wagglebee

WOLVES AMONG THE FLOCK.


20 posted on 07/29/2009 12:40:47 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: wagglebee
the Americans have certainly had a hand in it to with Robinson.

Correct. And Pike. And Spong. And Righter. And the list goes on.

21 posted on 07/29/2009 12:53:36 PM PDT by trad_anglican
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To: trad_anglican

The Episcopalians also welcomed Matthew Fox with open arms after then-Cardinal Ratzinger forbade him from continuing to publish and teach his heretical beliefs.


22 posted on 07/29/2009 1:04:11 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

This trial ballon was floated by Archbishop Williams a long time ago. Originally, the plan was to have a formal Anglican Communion with a Covenant (thus providing doctrinal uniformity), and then to have “associated partners” that don’t agree to the Covenant but have a lot of Anglican heritage. These “partners” would be free to do largely as they wish because they won’t be bound by the Covenant. ECUSA would be a “partner”. Other groups such as the Methodists could also be partners as well. The conservatives were receptive to this but the liberals said heck no. The idea has since lain dormant.

Now it appears to be coming back. Instead of establishing a Covenant and then have those who don’t like it become “associate partners”, Williams looks like he’s trying to have the bonds on everyone loosened with those desiring a Covenant coming back together on their own volition. That appears to be what’s happening with the GAFCON declaration being the Covenant.

Will the Church of England sign up, or relegate itself to an “associate partner” in the Anglican Communion?


23 posted on 07/29/2009 1:44:50 PM PDT by bobjam
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To: trad_anglican

OK. Is the Archbisshop of Caterbury Christian, or not.


24 posted on 07/29/2009 1:49:00 PM PDT by chesley ("Hate" -- You wouldn't understand; it's a leftist thing)
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To: chesley

“Christian Doctrine is offensive to Muslims per this Archbishop:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1035420/Why-Christian-doctrine-offensive-Muslims-Archbishop.html


25 posted on 07/29/2009 2:46:16 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: wagglebee
Paul: "What fellowship hath light with darkness?"

Rowan: "Well, you could have a two-track system, where the light track adhered to certain doctrinal standards, and the darkness track had a different vision of the Communion, without necessarily being cast into outer darkness, whereas ..."

26 posted on 07/29/2009 3:13:33 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: wagglebee
I’m not sure if this will work, all I see are white men who don’t look like they’re homosexuals.

But...but... it's on their intellectual level! Here, maybe this will help:


27 posted on 07/29/2009 3:31:12 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Media: quit making things up." --Sarah Palin)
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To: Campion

LOL!


28 posted on 07/29/2009 4:10:09 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Albion Wilde

That’s a start, but they need to be wearing little ribbons on their lapels because diseases are overcome through “awareness” and instead of overturning the moneychangers’ tables Jesus should have gone to “diversity training.”


29 posted on 07/29/2009 4:13:03 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
instead of overturning the moneychangers’ tables Jesus should have gone to “diversity training.”

That silly Savior of mankind! Why didn't He think of that?

30 posted on 07/29/2009 5:00:20 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Media: quit making things up." --Sarah Palin)
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To: bobjam
The conservatives were receptive to this but the liberals said heck no.

Because libs always fight tooth and nail to become the definition of the mainstream.

31 posted on 07/29/2009 5:32:03 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (I am only ONE of many real Jim Thompsons, yet I am ONE.)
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32 posted on 07/29/2009 5:53:35 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Neda Agha-Soltan - one victim of murderous regime)
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To: chesley
Well . . . . some people say he's a Druid.

This is of course unfair. He was hobnobbing with the Welsh Eisteddfod, which is just a bunch of silly people dressing up in make-believe "Druidic" attire and pretending to be ancient Welsh bards. The whole thing was made up in the late 18th century by a fellow calling himself Iolo Morgannwg - his real name was Ed Williams, which just doesn't have the authentic Druidic ring to it . . .

33 posted on 07/29/2009 6:01:22 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Good grief!

OK, I sometimes do similar things, but laymen do things all the time that clergymen should avoid. Not because it’s anymore wrong for them, taken by itself. It’s because they are in a leadership and role-model position.

But nevr mind. I wasn’t really asking was he Christian. It was a rhetorical question. I already knew they answer, or at least my opinion. I leave final judgments to God.


34 posted on 07/30/2009 6:08:56 AM PDT by chesley ("Hate" -- You wouldn't understand; it's a leftist thing)
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To: chesley
Sometimes you get answers you don't expect!

I agree that there are things that laymen can do that clergy shouldn't. This is probably one of them!

(We have had the occasional priest doing Cowboy Action shooting. But the ones that I have seen are careful to stay in their priestly role -- in other words what a Catholic Priest would have worn in the 19th century West. Plus a gunbelt, a rifle, and two single action pistols of course.)

35 posted on 07/30/2009 7:05:11 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: wagglebee

Another inspired compromise! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_compromise (sarc)


36 posted on 07/30/2009 7:11:52 AM PDT by stan_sipple
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To: wagglebee

As I have posted elsewhere:

Two styles of Anglicanism:

One which helps to seek forgiveness of sin and restoration

and

one which helps to seek condoning of sin and continuation

GG+


37 posted on 07/30/2009 9:31:47 AM PDT by Gman (Anglican Priest)
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To: sionnsar

How about a “two-track” Anglican Communion...one believes in Christ and the other doesn’t?


38 posted on 07/30/2009 11:13:09 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: Gman

It’s all very sad and I’m sure that many of the Vatican II loving Catholics would love to force us into the same mess.

I fully understand how much people value the “fellowship” aspect of their parish; however, this IS NOT the primary purpose of the Church and it NEVER has been.

Our Lord was very clear when He said, “Go and sin no more.”


39 posted on 07/30/2009 12:50:35 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Gman

You have that right!


40 posted on 07/30/2009 8:41:12 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Neda Agha-Soltan - one victim of murderous regime)
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