Posted on 08/02/2009 7:09:23 PM PDT by TaraP
Matthew 24:36a (NIV) "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
We cannot know the day or the hour for the Second Coming of Jesus following the Seven Year Tribulation Period, because Jesus stated that those days would be "cut short". The Word of God does not state that the Seven Year Tribulation will start late. The Seven Year Tribulation will begin precisely on time, but it will be "cut short".
Matthew 24:21-22 (NIV) For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now--and never to be equaled again. If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
The Great Tribulation is "cut short", because if the Great Tribulation were not "cut short", then "no one would survive". The Great Tribulation is "cut short" because if the Great Tribulation were not "cut short", the Antichrist would destroy every single person on earth including himself.
The reason that no one except God the Father knows the day or the hour for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, is that the Second Coming of Jesus Christ is determined by that precise point in time when if Jesus did not return, man would destroy all of mankind. The time for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ has not been set by God, that time is determined by man with man's freewill.
No one can predict exactly to the day and the hour when man with man's freewill is going to bring mankind to the precise moment of self-destruction. Only God the Father knows because He is Omniscient (He knows all).
We can however, know very closely when Jesus will return so that the exact day is not a surprise.
1 Thessalonians 5:4 (NIV) But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.
THE BEGINNING OF THE TRIBULATION PERIOD WILL PRECEDE THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS CHRIST BY SEVEN YEARS!
We must subtract seven years from the ONE YEAR WINDOW of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ in order to calculate the ONE YEAR WINDOW for the beginning of the Tribulation period.
That would put the ONE YEAR WINDOW for the beginning of the Seven Year Tribulation Period from September 29, 2008 (Rosh Hashanah) until September 18, 2009 (Rosh Hashanah).
On September 29, 2008 (Rosh Hashanah), the FIRST DAY of the ONE YEAR WINDOW for the beginning of the Seven Year Tribulation Period, the stock market fell 777 points, clearly indicating a message from God to the Bride of Christ. I believe that God's message on September 29, 2008 was that the time until the beginning of the Tribulation is close, make certain that you are prepared. (In the Egyptian Tribulation, God attacked the Egyptian's gods. On September 29, 2008 in attacking the stock market, God attacked America's god of money.)
The seven year Tribulation Period began around June 28, 2009 because that was forty-two years from the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem.
THE SEVEN YEAR TRIBULATION PERIOD BEGAN ON THURSDAY, 9 JULY, 2009 - THE 17th OF TAMMUZ!
THE 17th OF TAMMUZ IS A HISTORIC DAY OF CALAMITY FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE!
1. It was on the 17th of Tammuz that Moses descended from Mount Sinai with the Ten Commandments and when he saw the Jewish people worshipping a golden calf, he broke the Ten Commandments.
2. It was on the 17th of Tammuz in 585 B. C. that the priests from the first Temple stopped offering daily sacrifice because there was a shortage of sheep.
3. It was on the 17th of Tammuz in 586 B. C. that Nebuchadnezzar broke through the walls of Jerusalem to conquer the city.
4. It was on the 17th of Tammuz in 70 A. D. that the Roman army under Titus breeched the walls of Jerusalem.
5. It was on the 17th of Tammuz in 1239 A. D. that Pope Gregory IX ordered the confiscation of all of the manuscripts of the Talmud.
6. It was on the 17th of Tammuz in 1391 A. D. that 4,000 Jewish people were killed in Toledo and Jaen, Spain.
7. It was on the 17th of Tammuz in 1559 that the Jewish Quarter of Prague was destroyed.
8. It was on the 17th of Tammuz in 1944 that the Jewish people in the Kovno ghetto were sent to the death camps.
9. It was on the 17th of Tammuz in 1970 that Libya ordered the confiscation of all Jewish property.
The Seven Year Tribulation Period began with a "peace agreement" on July 9, 2009, which was the 17th of Tammuz on the Jewish calendar. The "peace agreement" will allow the Jewish people to rebuild their Temple in Jerusalem, in order for the Jewish people to re-establish the ritual of daily sacrifice in their attempt to atone for the Jewish people's sin. Information concerning the existence of that "peace agreement" has not been made available to the general public, as it is necessary for the Islamic governments to prepare the Islamic public for the fact that the Islamic people are going to share the Temple Mount in Jerusalem with the Jewish people; and the government of Israel must prepare the Jewish people to accept the concessions that the Israeli government made in order to facilitate the "peace agreement". There is also a delay while various politicians posture themselves prior to the public announcement of the "peace agreement" in order for the various politicians to claim a percentage of the credit for the "peace agreement". One of the politicians who is posturing himself in order to claim credit for the "peace agreement" is Barack Hussein Obama. We are in a very short time period before information concerning the "peace agreement" must be made available to the general public, as the Jewish Temple will be rebuilt and completed, and daily sacrifice will begin following sundown on March 15, 2010. The Jewish day begins at sundown, consequently sundown on March 15, 2010 is the beginning of the Jewish day of March 16, 2010. March 16, 2010 is the 1st of Nisan, the first day of the new Jewish sacred calendar year of 5770. The Jewish people will re-establish daily sacrifice in the new Jewish Temple on the first day of their new sacred year of 5770. March 16, 2010, the 1st of Nisan is also exactly 250 days after July 9, 2009, which was the 17th of Tammuz, the day on which the "peace agreement" was agreed to. The 17th of Tammuz has been a historic day of calamity for the Jewish people. July 9, 2009 was still another day of great calamity for the Jewish people, but the Jewish people will not recognize it as a day of great calamity until 1,260 days later on December 21, 2012.
The second order to rebuild Jerusalem occurred on June 28, 1967. The Jewish people declared themselves to be the State of Israel on May 14, 1948. However, Jerusalem was not completely in Israeli control until 1967. During the "Six Day War" of 1967, Israel captured the Old City of Jerusalem which included the Temple Mount. On June 7, 1967 Jerusalem came back under Jewish control for the first time in almost 1900 years. On June 28, 1967 the Knesset passed a "decree" annexing East Jerusalem, and thereby bringing the entire city of Jerusalem back into Jewish control.
On September 17, 1978, Menachem Begin, Prime Minister of Israel put forth in a letter to United States President Jimmy Carter, the date of 28 June 1967 as the date that the Israeli Knesset passed legislation that empowered the Knesset to control Jerusalem.
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The President Camp David Thurmont, Maryland 17 September 1978
Dear Mr. President:
I have the honor to inform you, Mr. President, that on 28 June 1967 - Israel's parliament (The Knesset) promulgated and adopted a law to the effect: "the Government is empowered by a decree to apply the law, the jurisdiction and administration of the State to any part of Eretz Israel (Land of Israel - Palestine), as stated in that decree."
On the basis of this law, the government of Israel decreed in July 1967 that Jerusalem is one city indivisible, the capital of the State of Israel.
Sincerely, Menachem Begin
Hi All,
Very interesting article if you have time to read the whole thing...
You know ST..I do believe the 7 yr tribulation did start Sept/Oct 2008...:)
Well, at least it’s not the usual “December 21, 2012” crap.
I love a good convergence! The Mayans said December 21, 2012, and I’m sure Nostradamus (sp?) has a quatrain pointing to this general timing as well. No more long positions on the stock market for me!
I think starting in 2010 many people are going to start doing some xtremely Whacky things in regards to 2012..
In B4the ZOT?
“No one knows the day or the hour, for that is known only to the Father. But the window...”
Isn’t the Anti-Christ to be revealed at the beginning of the 7 year tribulation period? Don’t think we are quite there just yet!
It’s also a real possibility that He will return on the Feast of Trumpets, or so I’ve been told by Jewish believers.
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Jesus Christ Himself does not know when He will return yet we have men who think they can determine this within a six month period. Incredible. Could they post some stock tips while they are at it?
Yeah, this is the sort of thread that brings Free Republic great repute.
The Mayans apparently were in a league comparable to the Chaldeans and the Egyptians when it came to recognizing Celestial events.
I think that your extrapolation of Biblical comments regarding future events is in contradiction with Bible tenets.
very well said.
Within the “Seventy ‘sevens,’” there are TWO “abomination that causes desolation.” Daniel 9:27 references the Antichrist’s “seven year period,” and the “abomination that causes desolation” in the middle of the “seven year period.” “abomination that causes desolation,” is something unclean in accordance with Levitical law being sacrificed in the Jewish Temple, or a Gentile sacrificing in the Temple.
(From a Biblical perspective, there are two classes of people in this world; Jewish people, who are descendants of Jacob [Israelites], and Gentiles [sometimes referred to as Greeks]). Antiochus Epiphanes was the first “abomination that causes desolation,” when he desecrated the Jewish Temple at Jerusalem for a three and one-half year period between 168-165 B. C.
The Antichrist will be the second “abomination that causes desolation,” when he desecrates the Jewish Temple at Jerusalem for a three and one-half year period, in the last half of the Seven Year Tribulation Period. In a perfect parallel to the two times that Jesus Christ comes, there has already been one “abomination that causes desolation,” just prior to Jesus’ first Coming, and there is still an “abomination that causes desolation” to come, just prior to Jesus’ Second Coming, making a total of TWO.
Maybe Obama is going to desecrate it when he turns 49 next August.
“No more long positions on the stock market for me!”
I just refinanced. I knew I should have taken the 5 year ARM instead of the 30 year fixed.
In before the Second Coming....
Hardly..It is Prophetic Times and posted in the religion section....
Wait! What happened to December 2012?! I’m planning to max my credit cards and hit my boss with a canoe paddle. I can’t do that and hang around for another three years.
When He doesn’t return according to this timetable, you always have the option to declare that He actually did return “spiritually”, and then you can start your own religious organization.
Someone forgets his depends dippies and he craps all over the place.
They are just reading scripture and looking at the Signs and Seasons....Jesus encourages us to do that....
Read your Bible and find out...
You can post it whatever forum you choose; it’s still silly.
Women and children hit hardest.
bttt
It will be awkward for the Messiah to meet the false messiah in Chicago..
For all those being raptured within the next 20 years, may I have your possessions?
Someone doesn’t know what (s)he is talking about bump.
Well I don’t think the Bible is silly, and I think GOD gave us a brain to seek him out and not be lazy...So the date might be wrong, but GOD wants us to seek him out and have a hear-t to hear his Prophecy...IMHO that is....
If it happens, then they were right.
If not, they're FOS ... like dozens of their forbears.
Meantime, we must all realize that our own personal end of the the world could happen today.
My Bible says not even Jesus knows the day or the hour. That is good enough for me.
Isaiah 17:1 - Woe to Damascus. It has been taken away from being a city, it has become a ruinous heap.
If a whole city is destroyed, it can only be one thing - a nuclear bomb.
The fact that Damascus is still standing tells me .. Jesus will come when the Father says it’s time to come and not one day before. I’d rather live as though He might come tomorrow and try to lead as many people as possible to Christ before then.
I’m more concerned about the evil which has come upon America and which continues to grow every day. If you want to check out some history .. you can look up all the American Presidents who did not support Israel .. and then note what happened in America as a result. It was never a good result. Obama has turned his back on Israel - and even today the Isralis protest against him.
I shall always believe that America’s surge into prosperity after WWII was a direct result of our liberation of the Jews in the death camps.
Genesis 12:3 - God is speaking to Abraham, “I will bless them that bless thee and curse them that curseth thee.”
In the Book of Enoch CHAPTER XCIII. found at
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe096.htm
We are at the end of the 7th week where an apostate generation arise, and many shall be its deeds,
And all its deeds shall be apostate. And at its close shall be elected The elect righteous of the eternal plant of righteousness, To receive sevenfold instruction concerning all His creation.
Paul also said A/C will not be revealed until the great fall away happens. I think we are seeing an apostate generation arise right now, but the righteousness of the Church will be confirmed after the coming trial.
Psalm 92:6
6 A senseless man does not know,
Nor does a fool understand this.
7 When the wicked spring up like grass,
And when all the workers of iniquity flourish,
It is that they may be destroyed forever.
Psalm 32:10
10 Many sorrows shall be to the wicked;
But he who trusts in the LORD, mercy shall surround him.
11 Be glad in the LORD and rejoice, you righteous;
And shout for joy, all you upright in heart!
God is at work right now, He will perfect a perfect government for His people. For Jesus said, the Kingdom of heaven is a merchant who is looking for a pearl of great value, when he found it, he sells all he has and bought the field. God is that merchant. He has found the great pearl, it is the Church. He has sold everything to purchase us. You will see death and decay of civilizations and nations, but the Church will live on.
We must trust Him, that is the most important preparation we can do for what is to come. In the meantime, get out of debt of all kinds, take on His yoke.
See below:
3. And Enoch began to recount from the books and said:
‘I was born the seventh in the first week,
While judgement and righteousness still endured.
4. And after me there shall arise in the second week great wickedness,
And deceit shall have sprung up;
And in it there shall be the first end.
And in it a man shall be saved;
And after it is ended unrighteousness shall grow up,
And a law shall be made for the sinners.
5. And after that in the third week at its close
A man shall be elected as the plant of righteous judgement,
And his posterity shall become the plant of righteousness for evermore.
6. And after that in the fourth week, at its close,
Visions of the holy and righteous shall be seen,
And a law for all generations and an enclosure shall be made for them.
7. And after that in the fifth week, at its close,
The house of glory and dominion shall be built for ever. p. 133
8. And after that in the sixth week all who live in it shall be blinded,
And the hearts of all of them shall godlessly forsake wisdom.
And in it a man shall ascend;
And at its close the house of dominion shall be burnt with fire,
And the whole race of the chosen root shall be dispersed.
9. And after that in the seventh week shall an apostate generation arise,
And many shall be its deeds,
And all its deeds shall be apostate.
10. And at its close shall be elected
The elect righteous of the eternal plant of righteousness,
To receive sevenfold instruction concerning all His creation.
I do believe GOD is leaving it up to us when he comes back
however he does know when MAN will do that signaling his return, and we as human beings can know that season....
Bible Prophecy in the News : Rebuilding of the Jewish Temple
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSKHV4-tA8w
LOL! The moon is not yet in the seventh house. I guess the 17th of Tammuz is like Friday 13th, or something.
parsy.
I was just gonna leave a key under the mat, but whatever.
THE BEGINNING OF THE TRIBULATION PERIOD WILL PRECEDE THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS CHRIST BY SEVEN YEARS!We must subtract seven years from the ONE YEAR WINDOW of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ in order to calculate the ONE YEAR WINDOW for the beginning of the Tribulation period.
That would put the ONE YEAR WINDOW for the beginning of the Seven Year Tribulation Period from September 29, 2008 (Rosh Hashanah) until September 18, 2009 (Rosh Hashanah).
This stuff is as bad as Harold Camping.
Within the “Seventy ‘sevens,’” there are TWO “abomination that causes desolation.”
Maybe Obama is going to desecrate it when he turns 49 next August.
My advice, put away the so called "prophecy resources", get into your bible, and into a sound church. Get yourself well grounded in the basics. If everything goes south on us, you'll need that more than this fever dream stuff.
"What is your only comfort in life and death?"
"A: That I with body and soul, both in life and death, am not my own,
but belong unto my faithful Saviour Jesus Christ;
who, with his precious blood, has fully satisfied for all my sins,
and delivered me from all the power of the devil;
and so preserves me that without the will of my heavenly Father, not a hair can fall from my head;
yea, that all things must be subservient to my salvation,
and therefore, by his Holy Spirit, He also assures me of eternal life,
and makes me sincerely willing and ready, henceforth, to live unto him."
LOL! IBTSC also!
Calvary Chapel does teach and talk of this, as well as many sound Bible Grounded Preachers....
Just kidding maybe about Obama...Not sure who he is yet...
Those will be taken up in the "re-possession."
Great Post!
Also from the site...
Mark Biltz, pastor of El Shaddai Ministries in Bonney Lake, Washington has discovered an interesting phenomenon while collating the Jewish Calendar and NASA’s eclipse website. A total lunar eclipse produces a “blood red moon.” According to NASA’s eclipse website, the year 2014 has two “blood red moons” or total eclipses of the moon, one occurring on April 15, 2014 (the Feast of Passover) and one occurring on October 8, 2014 (The Feast of Ingathering). These two eclipses are immediately followed by two additional “blood red moons” in the year 2015; one occurring on April 4, 2015 (the Feast of Passover) and one occurring on September 28, 2015 (the Feast of Ingathering). According to the NASA/GODDARD SPACE FLIGHT CENTER, four total lunar eclipses in a row is known as a tetrad. After the four “blood red moons” of 2014 and 2015, there are no more tetrads occurring on Jewish holidays in this century.
Joel 2:31 (NIV) The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
Acts 2:20 (NIV) The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
Matthew 24: 27-30 (NIV) For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather. “Immediately after the distress of those days” ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ “At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.
NASA’s eclipse website reflects that a tetrad occurred spanning the years 1493 and 1494.
Well there is no shortage of arrogant men who think they know more than Jesus Himself.
Calvary Chapel does teach and talk of this
Chuck Smith has a history calling it wrong, WRT the second coming.
My advice still stands. Get grounded in the basics or be prey for any passing false teacher.
Let me throw out a slightly different perspective, one I have studied in Footsteps of the Messiah, App IIIB, by Dr Arnold Fruchtenbaum.
In Jewish tradition, well used in the time of the first advent, when our Lord Christ Jesus was here prior to the Cross, marriage was known as a 4-stage event.
It might be noted that the Church is referenced as the Bride of the Messiah, and Israel as the wife of Jehovah.
The Marriage begins with the Espousal (2Cor 11:2), where the Church as an engaged Bride, not yet joined by marriage to her husband.
The second stage is Sanctification or maturing of the Bride (Eph 5:25-27). Note the purpose of His death and His relationship with the Bride prior to the Second Coming is so that He might sanctify the Bride, so that a glorious virgin is presented to the Messiah, without blemish (no visible defilement), without wrinkle (no evidence of age or corruption) and holy, without blemish (no evidence of sin).
The 3rd stage is the Marriage (Rev 19:6-9).
In the Jewish system, in the 1st stage the Father of the groom made the arrangement for the Bride and paid the bride price (same relationship between persons of God the Father, the Son, and the Bride for the Son, the Chruch). The 2nd stage was frequently separated from the 1st stage by much time, at least a year, sometimes marriages were arranged at childbirth and not fulfilled for major portions of a lifetime.
The 2nd stage, also known in Jewish tradition as ‘the fetching of the bride’, the groom would go to the Bride’s home to fetch her and bring her to his home. It should be noted, though, that the Father of the Son determined the time of the fetching, not the groom. Since the fetching was to bring the bride to a new home, this implies the groom had already prepared a home for the bride prior to the fetching, which was determined to be allowed at a time by the father only.
The third stage stage was the marriage ceremony, where only a few were invited, preceded by ritual immersion for ritual cleansing.
The fourth stage was the wedding feast, which might last as long as 7 days.
In the case of the Bride of the Messiah, the 1st stage has been completed, wherein the bride price has been paid by the blood of Christ (Eph 5:25-27).
Today we are in the process of sanctification, which continues through, until the marriage ceremony of the Church.
In the 2nd stage, the fetching of the Bride is unmistakeably synonomous with what we call the Rapture of the Church, described in 1st Thes 4:13-18. The fetching time is not determined by anybody BUT the Father. This preserves the sanctity of the witness of the marriage. It isn’t performed arrogantly by the Son, nor by the Bride, but by a third party, with wisdom and love for both, namely the Father (Matt 24:36) and after our Lord Christ Jesus has prepared a place (John 14:1-3).
The 3rd stage or marriage ceremony takes place in Heaven, described in Rev 19:6-8, prior to the 2nd Coming at the end of the Great Tribulation. In this event, the Bride is wearing her complete bridal gown, indicating the process of sanctification has been completed at that time and after the Judgment Seat of the Messiah, when all saints are rewarded for their divinely judged good works on earth. (1Cor 3:10-15).
Then comes the Marriage feast (Rev 19:9). (Some note that the Old Testament saints shall be resurrected AFTER the Tribulation and Rapture, but before the 2nd Coming, to be present at the wedding feast.)
Considering the close parallel of the 4 stage wedding process in Jewish tradition, IMHO, the Rapture comes first, then a 7 year wedding feast which likely occurs in heaven, while those missing it on Earth, are enduring the consequences of the cosmic system they had placed before God, and will be reaping the whirlwind.
There are also strong arguments that the Rapture doesn’t necessarily occur at the immediate beginning of the Great Tribulation, although there also are strong indicators the two events closely coincide. The Great Tribulation might also lag the Rapture, rather than begin immediately, since the GT focus is more upon Israel and her return to God, removal of evil, and a consequence of her signing a covenant with the AntiChrist.
Dispensationalists and Reformed believers agree on some issues.
As I said no one knows the day or the hour of Jesus return HOWEVER he did say we could know the SEASON....
Perry Stone
Dr David Jeremiah
Jack Van Impe
Joel Rosenberg
John Hagee
Dr Charles Stanley
and many more speak of this..Do you think only your Preacher has wisdom to know GOD’s word in scripture?
The Great Tribulation might also lag the Rapture, rather than begin immediately, since the GT focus is more upon Israel and her return to God, removal of evil, and a consequence of her signing a covenant with the AntiChrist.
I very much agree with that statement...
So many scoffers that scoff at GOD’s prophetic words...
Just like in the Days of NOAH....
Take a look at post 46. I just recently learned of the parallel of Jewish tradition in the wedding and marriage process and relationship between the Messiah and the Bride, the Church and find it very insightful.
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