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Heaven and Hell: Are They Literal Places or Figments of the Imagination?
hubpages.com ^ | 8/6/2009 | JXB7076

Posted on 08/06/2009 7:52:33 PM PDT by jxb7076

Except in biblical or other written religious accounts, no scientific evidence has ever been documented to prove that there is a physical Heaven or a physical Hell. In the absence of evidence why then do millions of people believe so strongly in a Heaven and a Hell – and how could such beliefs in the unproven have survived scientific scrutiny for so long?

For those raised in Judea-Christian doctrine Heaven and Hell does, in fact exist and one of these places is waiting for the soul of the deceased in the afterlife.

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TOPICS: History; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: afterlife; heaven; hell; literal

1 posted on 08/06/2009 7:52:33 PM PDT by jxb7076
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To: jxb7076
Swiped this from another freeper today! Funny you should ask this question when I had it saved! gehenna "Gehenna, gehenom, or gehinom (Hebrew: גהנום, Greek γεεννα) are words used in Jewish and Christian writings for the place where evil people go in the afterlife (see Hell). The name is derived from a geographical site in Jerusalem known as the Valley of Hinnom, one of the two principal valleys surrounding the Old City. In Jewish tradition this valley was associated with the idea of Hell. The reasons for this association are uncertain. Some believe that it relates to the role of the valley in the disposing and burning of rubbish and unclean animals. However, Jewish tradition suggests the valley had a 'gate' which led down to a molten lake of fire. (Possibly 'The furnace of Yahweh' in Zion to which Isaiah refers 31:9, 30:33). It is unknown whether this 'gate' was an actual geophysical feature within the valley that provided the focus for cultic activity (2 Kings 23:10) or simply a metaphorical identification with the entrance to the underworld that had come to be associated with the valley."
2 posted on 08/06/2009 7:56:07 PM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (Prayers Up! It's our last defense!)
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To: jxb7076

Which pop song had the lyrics “I swear there ain’t no heaven, but I pray there ain’t no hell...” ?

Can we have our cake and eat it too?


3 posted on 08/06/2009 7:58:42 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: jxb7076

Hell is definitely real. There’s a guy at work who was actually dead for two days before they were able to bring him back. He went to hell and said it was pretty darn bad.


4 posted on 08/06/2009 7:59:50 PM PDT by Krankor
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To: proudtobeanamerican1

However one want to pronounce the word, based on its description it appeared to be hell on earth. Thanks for history. I really appreciate it.


5 posted on 08/06/2009 8:00:56 PM PDT by jxb7076
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To: Auntie Dem

Blood, sweat, and tears - one of my favorite groups.


6 posted on 08/06/2009 8:02:51 PM PDT by jxb7076
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To: Krankor

I have to admit that I am a skeptic on these incidents although I pray that I never experience the moment.


7 posted on 08/06/2009 8:04:31 PM PDT by jxb7076
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To: jxb7076

Just wait and see.


8 posted on 08/06/2009 8:19:55 PM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: jxb7076

They speak as though heaven and hells were planets.


9 posted on 08/06/2009 8:20:29 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: jxb7076
I accept it on faith that both heaven and hell exist, but tend to believe hell is in the core of the earth which wasn't known then but we know it is molten and would appear as a lake of fire if the earth's crust were stripped off. Also it's "down", and would be from any point of the surface of the earth. How much of a curvature would be visible, I don't know as when you look at the ocean, I think you see a slight curvature. That doesn't explain its being forever as we're told the earth will eventually be burnt and all the works destroyed, also that the heavens would roll like a scroll which I don't understand. The earth may be thrown out of orbit and drawn into the sun. That doesn't last forever either, so there has to be more to it.

Or I could be way off and it's just metaphorical. As a spirit, being surrounded by fire and other evil entities would be most unpleasant, but after the resurrection, if a being found itself trapped there, the pain would last for as long as the earth lasts and possibly forever in some way.

As to heaven, I think it might be another dimension. Jesus ascended while witnesses could see him then disappeared in a cloud. The cloud *may* have been the door to another dimension or represent a mystery or concealment.

It seems reasonable that if heaven were someplace in the universe, Jesus would have kept rising until the witnesses could no longer see Him or headed in a different direction other than straight up which is relative to where they were standing and time of day. He ascended of his own power whereas Elijah was shown ascending in a chariot but I don't know if there's anything else about that.

The cloud could represent a mystery or hidden but must have looked real. There are other examples of clouds in the bible but I can't think of the context.

Maybe I should have kept my thoughts to myself because I'm no theologian for sure.

10 posted on 08/06/2009 8:31:00 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: jxb7076; Auntie Dem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDWQ8w829tY
11 posted on 08/06/2009 8:35:20 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: jxb7076

God’s Word speaks of heaven and hell - it’s not a mystery. If one doesn’t believe God’s Word, why would they want to spend eternity w/Someone they don’t believe in.


12 posted on 08/06/2009 8:38:01 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Excellent point!!


13 posted on 08/06/2009 8:49:06 PM PDT by jxb7076
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To: jxb7076
It seems like a silly question to me.

Perhaps God parked heaven in one galaxy and hell in another. The universe is certainly big enough that it could be some place where we have not looked.

Perhaps heaven and hell are in distinct universes. For those “scientists” (or others) who believe in an infinite number of universes, surely one is hell and another heaven.

Perhaps hell is for small people, who become smaller yet before entering. Hell may be a very small place. Hell may be someplace in your dog's chew toy.

The possibilities are endless.

The probability of intelligent life existing anywhere in the universe is indistinguishable from zero. Yet here we are.

14 posted on 08/06/2009 8:50:27 PM PDT by ChessExpert (The unemployment rate was 4.5% when Democrats took control of Congress. What is it today?)
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To: Aliska

I am glad you shared your thoughts. I am encouraged to conduct futher study on the subject. Thanks for sharing.


15 posted on 08/06/2009 8:50:48 PM PDT by jxb7076
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To: ChessExpert

I was not responding to the title question, but to the first sentence:

“Except in biblical or other written religious accounts, no scientific evidence has ever been documented to prove that there is a physical Heaven or a physical Hell.”


16 posted on 08/06/2009 8:53:19 PM PDT by ChessExpert (The unemployment rate was 4.5% when Democrats took control of Congress. What is it today?)
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To: jxb7076

Acts 2: “29”: Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

All of the bible is true, so when you see something that seems to conflict, you know that you must study more.


17 posted on 08/06/2009 9:09:35 PM PDT by tessalu (Obama should not ever fool us again.)
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To: jxb7076

Acts 2: “29”: Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

All of the bible is true, so when you see something that seems to conflict, you know that you must study more.


18 posted on 08/06/2009 9:10:37 PM PDT by tessalu (Obama should not ever fool us again.)
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To: jxb7076

It is interesting how many freepers are referring to Heaven or Hell as physical places. Given that so much of Christianity is linked to spiritual and supernatural concepts, why the big concentration on a physical afterlife? I suppose that the mind is perpetually bound to the physical, so that’s the way that most people think. Hard to get out of that rut, though a Christian should have less difficulty dealing with a spiritual existence.

Is it actually that difficult for folks to conceptualize Heaven and Hell as a state versus a place? Time to indulge your spiritual self if it’s too challenging. Just something to think about.


19 posted on 08/06/2009 9:23:07 PM PDT by Habibi
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To: Aliska
I have had similar thoughts, Jesus said the Kingdom of God was here but man could not perceive it..(paraphrased) Another dimension existing along with earth...When Jesus talked with Moses and (I forgot the other guy) and the apostles saw them, it could have been a window on the other dimension...Also could explain the New Jerusalem coming down to earth...God just opens the doorway for man to see it...just a thought....Old Testament prophets saw the heavens open and angels descending and going up..(Jacobs ladder) Another door opening.

Just some of my stranger thoughts. :O)

20 posted on 08/06/2009 10:08:20 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: jxb7076

Google St. Faustina’s vision of hell or Sister Josefa Menéndez experience of hell.

These are eye openers!


21 posted on 08/06/2009 10:47:41 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: jxb7076

There is no no evidence that you have a back part of your head. You have never seen it, you have seen a reflection of a reflection but not the actual back part of your head.


22 posted on 08/07/2009 2:58:51 AM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Warning: Some words may be misspelled/ You will get over it / Klingon is my 1st language)
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To: jxb7076

bookmark


23 posted on 08/07/2009 3:05:22 AM PDT by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Ask His forgiveness. Don't wait.)
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To: jxb7076

You left out Purgatory. Purgatory is waiting in line at the DMV.


24 posted on 08/07/2009 6:28:26 AM PDT by shaft29 (Just your typical black woman.)
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To: jxb7076; goat granny
Thanks for sharing

You're welcome.

granny, I don't think your thoughts are strange at all. Had more written out earlier then connection went out.

I've been ruminating about something else lately I wanted to mention and can't remember what it was.

25 posted on 08/07/2009 5:41:19 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska
LOL at your last sentence...

I have that problem all the time, its called a senior moment...When it happens in the middle of a sentence, I am getting pretty good at faking it..

26 posted on 08/07/2009 5:54:29 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny
I have that problem all the time, its called a senior moment...When it happens in the middle of a sentence, I am getting pretty good at faking it..

Don't you hate that? I can't even fake it. Plus I've been having rolling blackouts all afternoon, I mean the kind where I lose the connection, started with the heavy rain we had today. It eventually comes to me. It did. It's very profound.

The other night I was thinking about the feeding of the 5000. I got this far with it. Figured they must have picked up after themselves and not left a mess. And they did collect all the leftovers, told how many baskets, have to look that up.

Then my thoughts wandered to wondering with that many people, what did they do when they had to, will try to put it politely, use the public restroom? Didn't get anywhere with that.

Now B4 I post, I get to thinking in some ways, they had more freedom under the Roman occupation to have a spontaneous gathering like that than we have now although I know the Romans did brutal things at times. Heck we'd have to apply somewhere for a permit, pay a fee, hire security guards, rent those porta things, clear it with the health department, jump through hoops, surely I forgot something here. "He's going to do WHAT?" Denied.

So it goes, don't mean to make light of it but often wonder how some of it really was in those times.

27 posted on 08/07/2009 6:30:19 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska

CS Lewis wrote about heaven, hell and purgatory in a little book called “The Great Divorce.”

It is just unforgettable, once read. Amazing story...


28 posted on 08/07/2009 6:38:52 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Drill here! Drill NOW! Defund the EPA!)
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To: Judith Anne
I should read that sometime. And Dante. I'm sure better minds than mine have tackled these questions. Women weren't included in these weightier matters in those days, but at least Jesus talked to them and answered their questions.
29 posted on 08/07/2009 6:52:32 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: jxb7076

It’s easier - though yet challenging - to sort this stuff out through Torah. It becomes harder in Nevi’im and Ketuvim... Harder still throughout the NT until Revelation, which seems, to me, truly polytheistic.


30 posted on 08/07/2009 10:21:22 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Aliska

Lewis’s works have a lot of women characters. “The Screwtape Letters” is still relevant. He was quite the writer. “Surprised by Joy” is another, and after his wife died, “A Grief Observed.”


31 posted on 08/08/2009 7:47:24 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Drill here! Drill NOW! Defund the EPA!)
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To: jxb7076

Anyone interested in the subject should look into the writings of Emanuel Swedenborg.


32 posted on 08/20/2009 4:00:07 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Jack Hammer

Thanks for the tip. I will look at his writings.


33 posted on 09/02/2009 2:53:36 PM PDT by jxb7076
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To: jxb7076
Survived scientific scrutiny?

The author is a twit who doesn't understand science.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

What does the twit author think are the physical properties of heaven that would make it discernable to the scientific method?

As far as I know, the only ‘physical’ heaven described is “Kolob” or some such.

34 posted on 09/02/2009 2:59:49 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
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To: jxb7076

I apologize.


35 posted on 09/02/2009 3:00:33 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
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To: allmendream

Kolob?


36 posted on 09/02/2009 3:04:03 PM PDT by jxb7076
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To: onedoug

Good point! The Torah, in its original writings made it simpler for me.


37 posted on 09/02/2009 3:05:20 PM PDT by jxb7076
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To: Auntie Dem
Which pop song had the lyrics “I swear there ain’t no heaven, but I pray there ain’t no hell...” ?

"And When I Die," written and first performed by Laura Nyro, but covered by others.

38 posted on 09/02/2009 3:05:56 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: jxb7076

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob

A planet/heaven, a physical place presumably.

The heaven in Christian tradition is a spiritual not a physical place.

And shouldn’t you include “vanity” somewhere in your title?


39 posted on 09/02/2009 3:08:31 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
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To: allmendream

Thanks for the explanation. I should have included this information someplace in the hub.


40 posted on 09/02/2009 3:16:12 PM PDT by jxb7076
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To: jxb7076

Yea Torah!

Thanks.


41 posted on 09/02/2009 6:20:04 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: proudtobeanamerican1; jxb7076

Are Heaven and Hell physical places?

Part of this question imparts meanings which are extraneous to Scripture and frames their existence in a carnal fashion.

Scripture is written of heaven in three different senses.

1) The Abode of God the Father, which is outside the physical universe we perceive separate from God, however since God is immanent, heaven cannot contain Him.

2) The earth and atmosphere around the planet, such as the sky above the firmament where the birds fly.

3) The stellar universe beyond the planet.

Doctrinally, from a trichotomous view of man’s anthropology, being body, soul, and spirit as man was originally formed by God, heaven and hell are locations of human experience in the future and in some cases as believers prior to our resurrected body.

Hell is frequently confused with the Lake of Fire. The Lake of Fire is a place created by God as the final destination of the fallen angels and where things good for nothingness will be cast at a final judgment when God separates all things divinely unrighteous from His presence.

Hell in Scripture is frequently better translated as Hades, or the Greek underworld.

Hades has 4 components from Scripture.
1) The Lake of Fire
2) Tartarus, (a dark prison where chained demons are contained, also released during the Tribulation.)
3) The Torments (The destination of all unbelievers prior to the Great White Throne Judgment.) which is separated from paradise by a great gulf transfixed, and
4) Paradise or ‘Abraham’s Bosom’ ( where the souls of all believers resided after the first death prior to the Cross).

Hades, Tartarus, the Torments, and Paradise are addressed in Scripture as well as in mythology in vivid detail. Studies in this area were extensive at the beginning of the 19th and 20th century and might be found under the topic of Euhemerism, which is also noted by the Ante-Nicene Fathers at this link:

http://www.biblefacts.org/ecf/vol7/anf07-11.htm

Euhemerus the Messenian was commissioned to find historical basis of mythology circa 300BC in a pagan rational program believing all mythology had some historical basis in fact.

Scripture is more trustworthy, but still speaks of heaven and hell as locations of our souls after death and a final destination after the second death.


42 posted on 09/02/2009 7:38:46 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

GReat information - thanks for sharing.


43 posted on 09/04/2009 10:36:29 AM PDT by jxb7076
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