Posted on 08/17/2009 9:10:31 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
Not an ecumenical thread boys...so have at it!
Just another heresy by the RC church. Nothing new.
I guess you did not read the Holy Tradition handed down from one person to another on the other thread.
Your source here is non-Catholic, hence it has no bearing in my opinion.
"Never apologize for the Blessed Virgin Mary!"
~~Mother Angelica
Oh well, just the invincibly ignorant here.
Don’t let historicly provable facts get in the way of non-Christian faith...
O Mary Conceived Without Sin, Pray For Us Who Have Recourse to Thee.
If Mary was conceived without original sin, then she would have borne no stain of sin from the time of her conception and would therefore have not been subject to any characteristics of the fallen nature of the human race since the fall of Adam and Eve. One of the consequences of the fall of Adam and Eve was that humans by their very nature would be subject to physical/bodily death and the natural decay of their physical forms over time.
If Mary was conceived without original sin, then by her very nature she would not have been subject to these consequences related to a natural physical/bodily death.
If you want to contest the Catholic doctrine of the Assumption, then by definition you must question the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception. Which means she could not have died a "natural" human death as anyone else would.
And if the Immaculate Conception was not a true, historical fact, then I'm not sure you can even say with any definitive authority that Jesus Christ was Divine.
Thanks EVER so much for posting information about my church from people who totally reject it. So informative.
The article isn't 'well researched' if it believes that the Catholic Church worships Mary.
William Webster is either ignorant of Catholic teaching or lying about it.
“And if the Immaculate Conception was not a true, historical fact, then I’m not sure you can even say with any definitive authority that Jesus Christ was Divine.”
Why? There is no scriptural basis for the Immaculate Conception (”In the Constitution Ineffabilis Deus of 8 December, 1854, Pius IX pronounced and defined that the Blessed Virgin Mary “in the first instance of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace granted by God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the human race, was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin”).
The same can be said, with the additional sting of irony, about the man-made dogma known as sola Scriptura.
What? Catholicism?
Utter nonsense. Mary was ancillary to the advent of Christ. She was not born without original sin. NOTHING in the scripture points to contrary.
To claim all of the trappings of the Immaculate Conception is to deny why Christ came in the first place. If ONE person can claim that they are without sin, then He died on the cross for NOTHING!
Paul states, unequivocally, that ALL have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God (Romans 3:23).
Christ alone was without original sin because He was not conceived of through mans will, but of God's will!
To claim that those who disagree with IC would deny Christ His divinity is intellectually dishonest and, IMHO, blasphemy.
LOL!!!!!
Truth be told. I have to look at it as my bit of comedy for the day.
Worship Mary!!!!! LOLOLOLOL!!!!!
Oh yeah baby, these people sure know what they are talking about.
I almost snorted Diet Coke up my nose.
Geez oh pete, with Obama in the Whitehouse, don’t we have better things to do?
You simply know very little or nothing of the teaching of Immaculate Conception.
>>of non-Christian faith...<<
Muslim?
As someone who went through the Ordination ceremony for priesthood, I would disagree.
Mary knew quite well that she was in need of a Savior. Only a person, lost to sin, would have this awareness. Mary was a sinner, saved by Grace. She was not born sinless, did not lead a sinless life, was not a perpetual virgin, was not assumed into Heaven before death. Show me ANYWHERE in scripture where these claims are validated!
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