Skip to comments.Group questions Catholic funeral for Kennedy
Posted on 08/29/2009 4:46:08 PM PDT by NoRedTape
(Father) "Thomas Euteneuer, president of Human Life International, released this statement concerning Senator Kennedy. "We must, as a matter of precept, pray for the salvation of heretical Catholics like Senator Edward Kennedy, but we do not have to praise him, let alone extol him with the full honors of a public Catholic funeral and all the adulation that attends such an event."
He adds that while Senator Kennedy called himself Catholic, like Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Vice President Joe Biden, they are actually wolves in sheep's clothing.
"They do not hold to the teaching of the church. They, in fact, take every opportunity seemingly to contradict the teaching of our church," Euteneuer says. "So in the case of Senator Edward Kennedy, he was not only against his church's teaching on the issue of abortion, but the same with embryonic stem cell research, the same with gay marriage and various other issues which set him in diametric opposition to his church's very well-defined and clearly articulated teaching."
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Is he still dead? Lt me know when the Death Festival is over.
He deserves NOTHING! He supported abortion and let that young lady drown to death. I hope he is burning in HELL! Cant put it any more clear.
I think the motorcade things would have been more apt had they had Ted in a convertible with two of his nephews, a la Weekend at Bernie’s.
In tenebris lux. In darkness, light.
That’s because he’s being buried in America’s most honored cemetery. Judging from the number of Catholic clergy at his funeral, he would have had no problem getting into a Catholic cemetery.
As sinful as the individual was, no Christian should ever make that statement. And if they do, they are no better than the object of their anger.
This lowlife was buried at Arlington? a place where Medal of Honor recipients are buried? A dumpster would be too good for the likes of his carcase.
Sorry you disagree with me. I AM a Christian and I believe that there is a place for those who committ the most heinous crimes. He worked against all that is right and good, knowingly worked against America and the freedom that she stands for, and committed (if not murder) than at the least, voluntary manslaughter. My statement is supported by the Bible and I will not change it. While you think I should take it easy on him, I sure hope the Almighty doesnt.
Bravo Father Euteneuer.
But you are not God and therefore are in no position to make judgment. You are in serious spiritual jeopardy if you feel you are so righteous to be equal to God, who alone judges the state of man's soul.
Open public support and cheerleading for abortion and embryonic stem cell research or funding such things with tax dollars should bar a Catholic funeral Mass and burial. Since they merit excommunication and are considered grave evils. Only if the person had publicly recanted and repented could it be otherwise.
You put your own soul in peril, issuing a curse like that.
Ted Kennedy, in life, was almost invariably in opposition to Christian principles. He was a powerful man who used his power in ungodly ways. He wasn’t just made wealthy, but was born wealthy due to the corruption of his father’s generation. He had some weird, almost hypnotic hold over the voters of Massachussetts, that is inexplicable to an outsider, especially a southerner who is not Catholic, such as myself.
I can only make sense of it in terms of some relict, immigrant cliquishness, gone on a half century too long. Catholicism was and is a common thread between the more recent immigrant groups, even to this day, and so it appeared that his support was Catholic. It was the children and grandchildren of Irish and Italian immigrants, though, coincidentally Catholic, who were held in the man’s sway.
This is another opportunity for the Catholic church, like Notre Dame was earlier, to make plain the truths of the matter. I’m sorry to say, I don’t expect to hear anything other than the politically expedient thing, the easy thing, the “ear tickling” thing.
But, Ted Kennedy is dead, and his sins are between himself and his Maker now. Outrage and condemnation of the man serves no purpose. Outrage and condemnation of the beliefs he so devastatingly represented, in direct opposition to his church, does serve a purpose, though.
Try to deal with it in this context.
We must, as a matter of precept, pray for the salvation of heretical Catholics like Senator Edward Kennedy, but we do not have to praise him let alone extol him with the full honors of a public Catholic funeral and all the adulation that attends such an event. There was very little about Ted Kennedy's life that deserves admiration from a spiritual or moral point of view. He was probably the worst example of a Catholic statesman that one can think of. When all is said and done, he has distorted the concept of what it means to be a Catholic in public life more than anyone else in leadership today.
Obviously we don't know the state of Senator Edward Kennedy's soul upon death. We don't pretend to. We are told by the family that he had the opportunity to confess his sins before a priest, and his priest has said publicly he was "at peace" when he died. For that we are grateful. But it is one thing to confess one's sins and for these matters to be kept, rightfully, private. It is another thing entirely for one who so consistently and publicly advocated for the destruction of unborn human beings to depart the stage without a public repudiation of these views, a public confession, as it were.
It is up to God to judge Senator Kennedy's soul. We, as rational persons, must judge his actions, and his actions were not at all in line with one who values and carefully applies Church teaching on weighty matters. Ted Kennedy's positions on a variety of issues have been a grave scandal for decades, and to honor this "catholic" champion of the culture of death with a Catholic funeral is unjust to those who have actually paid the price of fidelity. We now find out that President Obama will eulogize the Senator at his funeral, an indignity which, following on the heels of the Notre Dame fiasco, leaves faithful Catholics feeling sullied, desecrated and dehumanized by men who seem to look for opportunities to slap the Church in the face and do so with impunity simply because they have positions of power.
It is not enough for Kennedy to have been a "great guy behind the scenes" as we have seen him referred to even by his political opponents. It is also not praiseworthy to put a Catholic rhetorical veneer on his leftist politics that did nothing to advance true justice as the Church sees it or to advance the peace of Christ in this world. Every indication of Senator Kennedy's career, every public appearance, every sound bite showed an acerbic, divisive and partisan political hack for whom party politics were much more infallible than Church doctrines. Whatever one's political affiliation, if one is only "Catholic" to the extent that his faith rhymes with his party line, then his Catholicism is a fraud.
As the Scriptures remind us, there is a time for everything under the sun. This, now, is the time for honesty about our Faith and about those who are called to express it in the public forum. If we do not remind ourselves of the necessity of public confession for public sins such as Senator Kennedy was guilty of, then we are negligent in our embrace of the Faith and we are part of the problem. As Pope Benedict has reminded us recently, charity without truth can easily become mere sentimentality, and we must not fall into that error. A Catholic show of charity for the family must not eclipse the truth that is required of all with eyes to see and ears to hear.
Senator Kennedy needs to be sent to the afterlife with a private, family-only funeral and the prayers of the Church for the salvation of his immortal soul. He will not be missed by the unborn who he betrayed time and time again, nor by the rest of us who are laboring to undo the scandalous example of Catholicism that he gave to three generations of Americans.
Rev. Thomas J. Euteneuer,
President, Human Life International
Sorry big'ol_freeper, but I dont pretend to be or think of my self as equal, or even come close to the Creator. I simply use the emotion,, (or whatever you call it) that he gave me to let my wishes be known. In your dieing breath, you may ASK for forgiveness, but that doesnt mean you will be given it. By the way, this is my opinion. Please allow me to express it.
your hopes are satisfied each day, as thousands, millions, of counter-culture secularists die each year. “Hell, it is the place where poor sinners go.”
They don’t need any help getting to hell. And, of course, hell is not the solution. It is the problem.
“as we forgive those who trespass against us.” “Pray for your enemies.” ... These are merely suggestions, but I think leftist politicos qaulify as trespassers.
Well that's some sound theological thinking for you. On the one hand you have God who wishes for all to be saved and we have you who wishes one to "burn in hell". Think about that and then pray that Christ fix your heart.
He shouldn’t have been allowed a Catholic mass either, imho. And hasn’t the Pope remained silent? Isn’t that indicative?
Not me. I hope he got his salvation through Christ. We all deserve hell my friend if not for Jesus---don't wish hell on him despite all his many flaws.
Might add for those 'rising generations'; you may be less familiar as to how this tragedy unfolded. This event followed Ted Kennedy like a dark spectre; because he never honestly dealt with it. - not then; not ever. 'Teddy's choice' that night; remains a 'wound' in the public consciousness' of those who still remember. As for 'the Left'; and by turn; for subsequent Generations; there is the orchestrated 'blurring of details'; that passes as the the 'rewrite of record' that the Kennedy's carefully scripted.
[For those young and uninitiated to this story; it was not a death from the accident per se; and by all medical/scientific accounts; Ms. Kopechne would not have died, had Ted gotten help; in 'emergency' fashion. ]
Best synopis available: Read here: http://www.peoplesfreepress.com/HTM%20folder/ted_kennedy_accident_chappaquidd.htm
Time IS relative; and believe it is equally relative; as one revisits their own 'harm done' - ala 'Scrooge'-like, perhaps. . .during their earthtime. That would be hell, for sure.
Mankind may be forgiven it's Ignorance; it's ignorant way; but shlould not necessarily mean, again and in MHO. . .that we do not incur and invite; a 'penalty' for ignorance at it's worst.
Why else 'choice'?
‘Seems enough scratch will buy whatever religious send-off you want from this life.
Though it still appears as an equation, which has yet another side.
Purgatory is the place for uncle teddy....he should be given a comfortable chair and should face every one of the millions of children who were aborted through his actions and influence....they should each ask him “senator, why was your life, and the lives of your children and grandchildren, more important than my life?....after receiving hes answer, they should be allowed to tell him what they would have done for humanity if their lives had been protected......I would have discovered a cure for brain canceer, I would have perfected cold fusion which would have given everyone in the world cheap, clean energy forever, I would have established a means to insure everyone in the world a living income, I would have spent my life helping the poor and become a saint....etc etc etc
According to everything the Church teaches he should have had a private Cathokic funeral, at best. It is possible he had a death bed reconciliation with the Church.Since he openly lived his whole life in defiance of Church teachings,it means either the Bishops agree with him or they don’t care about their teachings.
Kennedy is a disgrace and so are all of the participating church officials.
Many places on the net. Even FBI files.
Thanks for feedback; but address works for me! Not sure why you might have problem; (save in last posting it was a copy/paste) and yes; certainly not the only link for info; there are plenty out there; but having visited more than few; still think this one of the best - and most comprehensive reads.
CHAPPAQUIDDICK: A Profile in Cowardice Ted Kennedy, the accident, and the cover-up
All the articles and information contained on these pages are compiled from official documents and previously published materials.
This site contains extensive coverage of the circumstances surrounding the infamous accident at Chappaquiddick July 19, 1969
["Do we operate under a system of equal justice under law? Or is there one system for the average citizen and another for the high and mighty?"/- Senator Ted Kennedy, 1973 - ]
Whatever the case; Ted not only poses the question; he answers it; at least from a Kennedy perspective.
You are wrong my friend...What SIN did Jesus say was unforgiveable? If Ted Kennedy asked Jesus for forgiveness on his abortion stance, you know what he is forgiven...
his slate is wiped cleaned...
You condemning him to hell is really condemning yourself.
This is based on the Word of GOD...
Christ neither found fault with the law, nor excused the prisoner’s guilt; nor did he countenance the pretended zeal of the Pharisees.
Those are self-condemned who judge others, and yet do the same thing.
All who are any way called to blame the faults of others, are especially concerned to look to themselves, and keep themselves pure.
In this matter Christ attended to the great work about which he came into the world, that was, to bring sinners to repentance; not to destroy, but to save.
He aimed to bring, not only the accused to repentance, by showing her his mercy, but the prosecutors also, by showing them their sins; they thought to insnare him, he sought to convince and convert them.
He declined to meddle with the magistrate’s office. Many crimes merit far more severe punishment than they meet with; but we should not leave our own work, to take that upon ourselves to which we are not called.
When Christ sent her away, it was with this caution, Go, and sin no more.
Those who help to save the life of a criminal, should help to save the soul with the same caution.
Those are truly happy, whom Christ does not condemn. Christ’s favour to us in the forgiveness of past sins should prevail with us, Go then, and sin no more