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Did Obama receive Holy Communion at Senator Kennedy's Funeral Mass?
August 31, 2009 | Irisshlass

Posted on 08/31/2009 11:51:54 AM PDT by Irisshlass

I read on facebook a woman who watched Senator Kennedy's funeral mass, stated that President Obama received Holy Communion. Is this true? Did anyone watch the Mass?


TOPICS: Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: bho44; catholic; communion; tedkennedy
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1 posted on 08/31/2009 11:51:54 AM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: Irisshlass

I have no knowledge of that day’s events, but I cannot imagine a priest giving holy communion to a non-Catholic.


2 posted on 08/31/2009 11:52:59 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: Irisshlass

What does it mean if he did? He’d cut open a living human being and eat the still beating heart if he thought it would help him curry favor with a group that would keep him in power.


5 posted on 08/31/2009 11:54:52 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Freddd

Do not use potty language - or references to potty language - on the Religion Forum.


6 posted on 08/31/2009 11:55:11 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: al baby

What???


8 posted on 08/31/2009 11:56:33 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: ClearCase_guy
I have no knowledge of that day’s events, but I cannot imagine a priest giving holy communion to a non-Catholic.


9 posted on 08/31/2009 11:57:04 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: Ditto

mebbe not catholic


11 posted on 08/31/2009 11:59:23 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: Irisshlass

I happen to turn on near that part and noticed that the camera panned away (showed choir, etc) during Communion - you could not see who did or did not receive.


12 posted on 08/31/2009 11:59:32 AM PDT by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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To: Irisshlass

I can’t believe anyone on FR would have watched the Kennedy death circus...


13 posted on 08/31/2009 11:59:55 AM PDT by NMEwithin
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To: Irisshlass

Bubba received hold communion in Africa IIRC


14 posted on 08/31/2009 12:00:31 PM PDT by Carley (WHEN YOU HONOR THE DISHONORABLE YOU SHOW YOUR OWN TRUE COLORS)
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To: Irisshlass

Bubba received holy communion in Africa IIRC


15 posted on 08/31/2009 12:00:47 PM PDT by Carley (WHEN YOU HONOR THE DISHONORABLE YOU SHOW YOUR OWN TRUE COLORS)
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To: wilco200

She said it appeared to her that Obama did receive but suddenly the cameras (all stations) aimed up at the glass window. She also said it looked like he got up from the pew and was taking something from the Priest.


16 posted on 08/31/2009 12:02:17 PM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: NMEwithin

Maybe us catholics should of..especially during Holy Communion.


18 posted on 08/31/2009 12:03:21 PM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Oops....sorry about the abbreviation. Didn’t know this was in the religious forum. My bad. :(


19 posted on 08/31/2009 12:03:34 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” -George Orwell)
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To: Ditto
Professional courtesy from a Black priest to The First Black PresidentTM.
20 posted on 08/31/2009 12:05:11 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Vigilanteman

I think the question was more that did a Catholic Priest administer Communion to a non catholic???


21 posted on 08/31/2009 12:05:53 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: Irisshlass
I am not Catholic but I suppose that would boil down to a personal decision with your own faith.

I meant no offense BTW...

22 posted on 08/31/2009 12:06:22 PM PDT by NMEwithin
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To: ichabod1

It was Roman Catholic... I’m amazed you don’t remember.

http://www.slate.com/id/2506/

Here’s another non-Catholic politician recieving The Host.

http://www.ncregister.com/daily/harper_clinton_and_reception_of_communion


23 posted on 08/31/2009 12:06:59 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Vigilanteman

It is not considered acceptable for a non-communicant (ie a non RC) not be given the elements.

I am not RC by faith ( or heritage) I just know that it is frowned upon ( as my friends who are remind when I go to mass with them)


24 posted on 08/31/2009 12:10:54 PM PDT by the long march
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To: Irisshlass
I watched part of the funeral ceremony, but could not take the constant references to how great a man Ted Kennedy was and how it is our religious duty to support the proposed government sponsored health care plan. During the homily my wife said "turn it off, I can't take it anymore". I felt the same way.

My impression was just as the Media portrayed the sickly JFK as vigorous and athletic and lied about his many physical ailments(back problems, Addison's disease, colitis, STD’s etc), the Media is lying about Ted Kennedy's many moral flaws and trying to falsely portray him as a man of sincere faith with a strong moral and spiritual code.

25 posted on 08/31/2009 12:10:57 PM PDT by detective
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To: ClearCase_guy
I have no knowledge of that day’s events, but I cannot imagine a priest giving holy communion to a non-Catholic.

It can only happen in extreme circumstances (danger of death, etc...)

26 posted on 08/31/2009 12:15:26 PM PDT by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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To: Irisshlass

As we have all witnessed, if you are rich and powerful, the Roman Catholic Church will make “exceptions” for non-Catholics to receive the Eucharist. Why not? If the Church will conduct the funeral rites for Ted Kennedy, it is capable of doing just about anything. There is a profound division in what the Roman Catholic Church supposedly believes, and what it practices.


27 posted on 08/31/2009 12:16:06 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Irisshlass

Why not? Notre Shame gives him an honorary degree and Georgetown covers up the IHS and cross for 0bambi’s pleasure.

It won’t be long before Matthews reports on the wine changing into vinegar and the feeding of thousands with 2 fish.


28 posted on 08/31/2009 12:16:13 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Irisshlass

If true, this is one of the possible fallouts and scandals the Archdiocese of Boston (Cardinal O’Malley) encouraged when allowing Ted Kennedy to get a full and public Catholic funeral.


29 posted on 08/31/2009 12:18:49 PM PDT by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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To: Nosterrex
There is a profound division in what the Roman Catholic Church supposedly believes, and what it practices.

This was Cardinal O'Malley's decision, not the Pope's. The Pope is not a CEO.

30 posted on 08/31/2009 12:20:17 PM PDT by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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To: Irisshlass

Some boston newspaper is the only reported answer to this I saw. I do not have the link at this moment.

They said he did not, he stood up to let others (Biden’s?) pass.


31 posted on 08/31/2009 12:21:00 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: the long march

It’s not that it’s frowned upon, it’s that St. Paul said he who eats and drinks the Body & Blood unworthily eats and drinks damnation upon himself and we don’t want you to go to hell.


32 posted on 08/31/2009 12:27:55 PM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: Irisshlass
Teddy got communion. Biden, Pelosi, and Kerry get communion. Why not Obama? Why not a witch doctor? Why not atheist's?

Sound's like you may be racist. Why would you deny Obama communion? Clinton got communion. Where was our concern then? Why are we not concerned about Biden, Pelosi, and Kerry? It's because Obama is Black, isn't it? Obama is the second coming anyway, what's the beef?

33 posted on 08/31/2009 12:28:34 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: Irisshlass

Q. Who was allowed to take Communion?

A. Communion in Catholic churches is restricted to Catholics in good standing, but no announcement was made, there was no reference to a restriction in the program, and anybody who came forward would receive Communion. Camera angles were restricted so that they did not show exactly who took Communion, but the prominent non-Catholic elected officials, such as President Obama, remained in their pews during Communion.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/08/30/some_questions_answers_on_topic_of_faith/?page=2


34 posted on 08/31/2009 12:28:52 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: ichabod1

and you and I can have a long theological discussion as to what “unworthily” means


35 posted on 08/31/2009 12:29:11 PM PDT by the long march
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To: NMEwithin

There was a live thread. Read that so I wouldn’t watch it on TV.


36 posted on 08/31/2009 12:32:48 PM PDT by Springman (Rest In Peace YaYa123)
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To: the long march

If you’re not Catholic why on earth would you take communion from a RC priest? It’s not just ‘do as the romans do’.


37 posted on 08/31/2009 12:32:52 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: frogjerk

Communion in Catholic churches is restricted to Catholics in good standing. <-———— Period


38 posted on 08/31/2009 12:33:52 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: Irisshlass

I recall President Bush attending a Catholic Mass. He did approach the alter but crossed his arms over his chest, as is appropiate for non Catholics. He received a blessing from the priest.


39 posted on 08/31/2009 12:34:30 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: the long march

fairs fare


40 posted on 08/31/2009 12:35:18 PM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: Secret Agent Man

AS I said I do not because I respect my friend’s religious affiliation. When they attend the church where I attend we have no such prohibition. If they chose to partake ( and some do) that’s fine with me.

I don’t understand your comment to me since I never suggested that I partook of communion in an RC mass


41 posted on 08/31/2009 12:35:42 PM PDT by the long march
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To: Irisshlass

Yep. When 57% of Catholics voted for him. Except it was unholy communion.


42 posted on 08/31/2009 12:35:59 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: ichabod1

What???? you make no sense

do you mean fair is fair?


43 posted on 08/31/2009 12:38:30 PM PDT by the long march
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To: Irisshlass

A non-Catholic can go up and get Blessed by the Priest but Communion, never. He may have gotten a Blessing which is a cross on the forehead.

Pray for the TP Xpress


44 posted on 08/31/2009 12:38:38 PM PDT by bray (He's a Divider not a Uniter)
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To: Irisshlass
From: Catholic Answers, Who Can Receive Communion?

http://www.catholic.com/library/Who_Can_Receive_Communion.asp

The guidelines for receiving Communion, which are issued by the U.S. bishops and published in many missalettes, explain, "We welcome our fellow Christians to this celebration of the Eucharist as our brothers and sisters. We pray that our common baptism and the action of the Holy Spirit in this Eucharist will draw us closer to one another and begin to dispel the sad divisions which separate us. We pray that these will lessen and finally disappear, in keeping with Christ’s prayer for us ‘that they may all be one’ (John 17:21).

"Because Catholics believe that the celebration of the Eucharist is a sign of the reality of the oneness of faith, life, and worship, members of those churches with whom we are not yet fully united are ordinarily not admitted to Communion. Eucharistic sharing in exceptional circumstances by other Christians requires permission according to the directives of the diocesan bishop and the provisions of canon law. . . . "

Scripture is clear that partaking of the Eucharist is among the highest signs of Christian unity: "Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread" (1 Cor. 10:17). For this reason, it is normally impossible for non-Catholic Christians to receive Holy Communion, for to do so would be to proclaim a unity to exist that, regrettably, does not.

Another reason that many non-Catholics may not ordinarily receive Communion is for their own protection, since many reject the doctrine of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Scripture warns that it is very dangerous for one not believing in the Real Presence to receive Communion: "For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself. That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died" (1 Cor. 11:29–30).

45 posted on 08/31/2009 12:40:53 PM PDT by Rockingham
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So, as a protestant, I would not be considered worthy by the Catholic Church? Interesting.

I agree am not worthy on my own, but I have been made worthy by the Blood of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. That gift of Grace was given to me when I accepted Him as my Lord.

As for deflecting the cameras, I agree with that. Communion, and the taking or not taking of it, is a personal, private thing between an individual and God. And it's no one else's business.

46 posted on 08/31/2009 12:42:24 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: Irisshlass

Searching around the Net, it appears the live feed at the funeral (there was only one) panned away to a group of singers (for 10 minutes no less) at the time the Obamas would of been receiving communion.


47 posted on 08/31/2009 12:46:38 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: frogjerk
the Archdiocese of Boston (Cardinal O’Malley) encouraged when allowing Ted Kennedy to get a full and public Catholic funeral.

I hold no brief for O'Malley (principally, but not entirely, because of his [expletive deleted] response to Summorum Pontificum, but as late as Friday, according to the radio citing the Chancery as the source, O'Malley planned to be in Denver Saturday. And all week on the local news, there was never a mention of who would celebrate the funeral Mass.

The Mass was said at Mission Church, AFAIK under the control of the Redemptorists, who don't really answer to the Archdiocese the way diocesan priests do, and the Redemptorists are not noted for their orthodoxy. I heard that the Kennedys wanted the Cathedral and were refused.

Cdl. O'Malley looked very unhappy about being there and he took no real part in the proceedings. Blackmail is such an ugly word, but there are a lot of ways the local pols could hurt the Archdiocese. (They're doing it anyway.)

Bill Donohue on Laura Ingram this a.m. said he'd never seen a funeral Mass for someone of TKs stature with so few priests. And, personally, I suspect that TK may have been buried at Arlington because O'Malley refused him burial in a Catholic cemetery.

I too wish O'Malley had come out with a blistering statement. OTOH, I'm not the one who would have had to make the statement and I'm not the one who would be responsible for repercussions that would fall on the Archdiocese.

48 posted on 08/31/2009 12:49:28 PM PDT by maryz
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To: Irisshlass

He’s a devout muslim, so I doubt it . . . unless he wanted to insult all Catholics


49 posted on 08/31/2009 12:50:49 PM PDT by laweeks
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To: wolfcreek

Thank-you. I tried to find videos too.


50 posted on 08/31/2009 12:55:00 PM PDT by Irisshlass
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