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ND’s McBrien: Eucharistic Adoration “is a...spiritual step backward” (Catholic Caucus)
WDTPRS ^ | 09/08/2009 | Fr. Z.

Posted on 09/08/2009 11:58:44 AM PDT by Pyro7480

In many places where perpetual, or even frequent, Eucharistic Adoration has been made available, there have been great benefits.

But Richard McBrien of Notre Dame is again Eucharist Adoration. In his latest piece for the dissenting, ultra-liberal National Catholic Reporter McBrien wrote this with my emphases and comments:

... The practice of eucharistic adoration began in the 12th century, when the Real Presence of Christ was widely rejected by heretics or misunderstood by poorly educated Catholics. The church saw eucharistic adoration as a way of reaffirming its faith in the Real Presence and of promoting renewed devotion to it.

However, as time went on, eucharistic devotions, including adoration, drifted further and further away from their liturgical grounding in the Mass itself.

Notwithstanding Pope Benedict XVI’s personal endorsement of eucharistic adoration [In other words, who cares what the Pope thinks.] and the sporadic restoration of the practice in the archdiocese of Boston and elsewhere, it is difficult to speak favorably about the devotion today.

Now that most Catholics are literate and even well-educated, [In other words, Adoration is probably something only stupid people are interested in.] the Mass is in the language of the people (i.e, the vernacular), and its rituals are relatively easy to understand and follow, [Really? Ask people after Mass what the epiclesis is for? or what the Gospel reading was?] there is little or no need for extraneous eucharistic devotions. The Mass itself provides all that a Catholic needs sacramentally and spiritually[No need for confession, either, I suppose.]

Eucharistic adoration, perpetual or not, is a doctrinal, theological, and spiritual step backward, not forward.


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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; eucharist; eucharisticadoration; heretic; mcbrien; notredame
Just leave the Church already!
1 posted on 09/08/2009 11:58:46 AM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 09/08/2009 11:59:59 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

Given the vast tracts of dissent written by this fellow (and fellow he is who never seems to wear a collar but a business suit) why has no disciplinary action taken against him? Does a professorship provide insulation for this kind of nonsense?


3 posted on 09/08/2009 12:04:44 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Pyro7480

Lord grant me patience. If he doesn’t believe in Eucharistic Adoration, he is free to find another church, and leave the rest of us to our worship in peace.


4 posted on 09/08/2009 12:05:08 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Pyro7480
What he leaves out is that backing away from McBrien's apostasy is a very good thing.
5 posted on 09/08/2009 12:06:42 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Pyro7480

"Now that most Catholics are literate and even well-educated..."

Except in the president's office and theology department at Notre Dame.
Obama Adoration is OK though, right?

6 posted on 09/08/2009 12:06:43 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Pyro7480
Preach it, Father Z!

McBrien should go and join the Episcopalians . . . but of course then he wouldn't receive the publicity and notoriety that he obtains as a 'dissenting' 'Catholic'.

Which appears to be what he's really after.

7 posted on 09/08/2009 12:09:09 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Pyro7480

Doubly backward
When Episcopals do it,
I would imagine...


8 posted on 09/08/2009 12:09:57 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (If You have a Right / To the Service I provide / I must be a Slave)
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To: Pyro7480

Okay, so let’s say that your mom is in a nursing home. Once a week, on Sunday, you go to see her and she is happy.

One week you decide to see her on a Wednesday as well. She is even more happy. Does anyone think that just seeing her on a Sunday is “Good enough” so you never go another Wednesday again?

Do you love her? Do you want to let her know that “there are nine months of carrying charges you can never repay”?

McBrien either does not believe that the Eucharist is actually Our Lord or doesn’t give a rat’s behind about what Our Lord has done for him.

I’ll choose to spend the time Adoring Our Lord who did so much for me. McBrien can call me any names he wants. Doesn’t matter at all.


9 posted on 09/08/2009 12:10:11 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Pyro7480
McBrien's spiritual minimalism is unCatholic. It's unChristian.

Frankly, it's unGodly.

Dunno 'bout him, but:

The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me. 5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of my enemies; thou anointest my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

10 posted on 09/08/2009 12:11:20 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Pyro7480

Why would anyone choose to adore the Christ in his most vulnerable and fragile form at 2 am in deep prayer?

On both knees bowing deeply, reverently, humbly.

I wonder what the “step forward” is???


11 posted on 09/08/2009 12:13:45 PM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: Pyro7480

Yeah, the last thing we need today is something that helps folks treat the Sacrament like what it really is...

And I wonder who knows more about the faith, the average 12th century Catholic or the average US Catholic today.

Freegards


12 posted on 09/08/2009 12:15:18 PM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: Pyro7480

Does anyone besides the CINO’s and MSM listen to this bozo? I sure don’t think his words have any impact on faithful Catholics.


13 posted on 09/08/2009 12:15:35 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Pyro7480

Call to Action.

Look at the guy. He - like most other CTA types, are a dwindling nnumber, slowly slipping off into the destinies they have demanded.


14 posted on 09/08/2009 12:18:23 PM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: Pyro7480
there is little or no need for extraneous eucharistic devotions.

MCBRIEN: There is little or no need for extraneous devotions to Jesus.

15 posted on 09/08/2009 12:20:25 PM PDT by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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To: Pyro7480

exactly. Doing the work of the devil though. So I guess he’ll stick around as long as he is beneficial in promoting doubt and evil at every turn.


16 posted on 09/08/2009 12:23:31 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Pyro7480
Is he still incardinated in the Hartford, CT, Archdiocese (Archbishop Henry Mansell) where he last served at Our Lady of Victory Parish in West Haven in about 1962 or is he now incardinated in Fort Wayne-South Bend, Indiana, Diocese (Bishop John D'Arcy)? Copies of McBrien’s writings should be forwarded to the appropriate diocesan ordinary together with respectful requests for disciplinary action against McBrien. Early in his tenure as Archbishop of Hartford, how retired Archbishop Cronin stripped McBrien out of the diocesan newspaper The Catholic Transcript specifically because of his heterodox opinions.
17 posted on 09/08/2009 12:27:21 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Pyro7480

I have been reading this site daily for years. This is the first time I felt the need to sign up for an account and post. I am a life long catholic and recently started doing adoration once a week. I cannot believe someone would advise against this. I have felt both the grace and presence of God numerous times while doing adoration. At the very least, this is a great time to spend an hour in quiet alone - what is wrong with that?


18 posted on 09/08/2009 12:44:15 PM PDT by LSUrepublican
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To: Pyro7480

There’s a reason ND is going down the drain - scholastically, athletically, spiritually.


19 posted on 09/08/2009 12:46:36 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: Pyro7480

Catholic FReepers may be interested in the Priestly Pugilist blog’s piece on “Bernadine-style ‘Catholicism-Lite’”

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2334778%2C1


20 posted on 09/08/2009 12:48:17 PM PDT by Scanian
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To: netmilsmom
McBrien either does not believe that the Eucharist is actually Our Lord or doesn’t give a rat’s behind about what Our Lord has done for him.

I vote for both of the above.

McBrien does not believe that the Eucharist is actually Our Lord because he doesn’t give a rat’s behind about what Our Lord has done for him.

21 posted on 09/08/2009 12:50:35 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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Comment #22 Removed by Moderator

To: wbarmy; Religion Moderator

This is a Caucus Thread.


23 posted on 09/08/2009 1:05:13 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: wbarmy

This Religion Forum thread is labeled “Catholic Caucus” - if you are not Catholic, do not post on this thread.


24 posted on 09/08/2009 1:06:39 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: frogjerk
MCBRIEN: There is little or no need for extraneous devotions to Jesus.

McBrien's devotional minimalism goes hand-in-hand with the liturgical minimalism (shortened Eucharistic Prayers, short form of the readings, leave out any parts of the Mass that are permitted to leave out, as well as some mandatory) and artistic minimalism (bare churches, simplistic hymns, pedestrian language) that have infected the Church these past 40 years. The spirit which inspires such is not of God.

25 posted on 09/08/2009 1:11:30 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Pyro7480

Yup. He needs to find another religion to trash, er, join.

The Eucharist is the Heart of the church.


26 posted on 09/08/2009 1:13:22 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Those embryos are little humans in progress. Using them for profit is slavery.)
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To: Pyro7480

This is a Lutheran attitude. Goes along with the radical decision to remove the tabernacle not only from the altar but from the sanctuary (aka, worship-space.)


27 posted on 09/08/2009 1:14:05 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE HOMO!)
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To: Pyro7480
Just leave the Church already!

I second that! If only he would, but he sooooo wants to save us.

Notwithstanding Pope Benedict XVI’s personal endorsement of eucharistic adoration [In other words, who cares what the Pope thinks.] and the sporadic restoration of the practice in the archdiocese of Boston and elsewhere, it is difficult to speak favorably about the devotion today. Now that most Catholics are literate and even well-educated, [In other words, Adoration is probably something only stupid people are interested in.] the Mass is in the language of the people (i.e, the vernacular), and its rituals are relatively easy to understand and follow, [Really? Ask people after Mass what the epiclesis is for? or what the Gospel reading was?] there is little or no need for extraneous eucharistic devotions. The Mass itself provides all that a Catholic needs sacramentally and spiritually. [No need for confession, either, I suppose.] Eucharistic adoration, perpetual or not, is a doctrinal, theological, and spiritual step backward, not forward.

BTTT! Bears repeating. That Fr McBrien is still at ND 'teaching' speaks volumes to what is happening at that once Catholic university and others like it. I hope our Holy Father is made aware of this one.

Until then, look for McBrien's latest directive to come soon to a location near you... (I have a feeling my diocese is listening...)

28 posted on 09/08/2009 1:21:36 PM PDT by fortunecookie (Please pray for Anna, age 7, who waits for a new kidney.)
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To: Pyro7480

Our parish has perpetual adoration.It is an honor and rewarding to do an hour each week.A lady recently thanked me after she substituted at my midnight hour.She just wanted to thank me because she and her husband got so much out of adoring the Lord together for an hour.


29 posted on 09/08/2009 1:26:56 PM PDT by ardara
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To: Pyro7480
Perpetual Adoration Begins in Martha J. Burke Adoration Chapel at Ave Maria
July 15, 2009

PERPETUAL ADORATION BEGINS

IN MARTHA J. BURKE ADORATION CHAPEL AT AVE MARIA

Dedication Ceremony Held Today Following Noon Mass

 

Interior of the Martha J. Burke Adoration Chapel

Interior of the Martha J. Burke Adoration Chapel

 


AVE MARIA, Fla. (July 15, 2009) – The Martha J. Burke Adoration Chapel was officially opened, blessed and dedicated at a brief ceremony following today’s noon Mass at Ave Maria Oratory.

Located in the east wing of AMU's Canizaro Library and immediately across Ave Maria Boulevard from the Oratory, the Martha J. Burke Adoration Chapel will provide 24 hour-a-day access for Eucharistic adoration.

 

The chapel is located in the East Wing of Canizaro Library

The chapel is located in the East Wing of Canizaro Library

 

"For Catholics, Eucharistic adoration is the act of praying before the Blessed Sacrament." said Fr. Robert Garrity, director of campus ministry for AMU. "We are extremely grateful to the donor for contributing the funds necessary to create this beautiful chapel and providing a place of prayer and meditation for members of AMU and the surrounding community."

During his homily, Fr. Garrity thanked the benefactor for their contribution to the physical structure, AMU Chancellor Thomas Monaghan and Monaghan for his continual encouragement, Bishop Frank Dewane for his approval and Fr. Robert Tatman, Administrator of the Quasi-parish of Ave Maria Oratory, for his support.

The day being the Feast of St. Bonaventure, Bishop and Doctor of the Church, Fr. Garrity remarked on several role models who held strong commitments to Eucharistic Adoration, including St. Bonaventure and Blessed Teresa of Calcutta.

The procession from the Oratory to the new chapel included members of the Knights of Columbus Honor Guard and approximately 200 lay faithful including residents of Ave Maria, AMU students and staff and visitors to the town. After a simple ceremony inside the chapel, Fr. Garrity and Chancellor Monaghan offered brief comments and a ribbon-cutting ceremony was held.

The procession from Ave Maria Oratory to the new chapel

The procession from Ave Maria Oratory to the new chapel

 

Fr. Garrity incenses the Blessed Sacrament

Fr. Garrity incenses the Blessed Sacrament


Chancellor Monaghan remarked on the decision to begin the practice of Perpetual Adoration prior to the return of students for the Fall semester. Perpetual Adoration is a Eucharistic devotion whereby members of a community unite in committing to time periods of adoration before the Most Blessed Sacrament both during the day and throughout the night, seven days a week. Monaghan has been promoting the idea since Ave Maria University first came to Naples in 2002 and wanted to start as soon as possible.

Despite the absence of most students during Summer break, the Office of Campus Ministry was able to fill the 168 one-hour time slots. Fr. Garrity filled the first time slot.

168 one-hour time slots for Eucharistic Adoration  Fr. Garrity signed up for the first time slot.

Before Perpetual Adoration could begin, 168 one-hour weekly time slots for Eucharistic Adoration had to be filled. Fr. Garrity signed up for the first time slot.

 

The Ribbon Cutting included Fr. Garrity, Fr. Robert Tatman, Chancellor Monaghan, AMU Director of Marketing Deacon Forrest Wallace and AMU Student Government President Jeremiah Belocura.

A brief ribbon-cutting ceremony was held.

A brief ribbon-cutting ceremony was held.

 

About the Chapel's Name-Sake:

Martha Ann Jones Burke was born April 25, 1930 in Memphis, TN. She married Robert Burke also of Memphis in 1949; they were married for 45 years. Mrs. Burke converted to Catholicism when she got married, having been raised a Presbyterian. She has six children, one boy and five girls, 14 grandchildren and four great grandchildren. Her family moved to Jackson, MS in 1964, where she eschewed a career outside the home; her devotion to her faith and family has always been her foremost concerns. Mrs. Burke remains a daily communicant, adorer and Eucharistic minister at her local parish of St. Richards Catholic Church in Jackson, MS. †

 

Perpetual Adoration begins at Ave Maria.

Perpetual Adoration begins at Ave Maria.

 

 

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30 posted on 09/08/2009 1:39:42 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (Wer glaubt ist nie allein. Who believes is never alone.)
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To: Notwithstanding
Eh, not my kind of style. I like this, which was just set up in northern VA (despite the modern ceiling and walls, the setup definitely draws you to the right place).


31 posted on 09/08/2009 1:53:35 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

ARE. YOU. KIDDING. ME.

I’m going to keep most of my thoughts to myself. But wasn’t it Jesus Himself Who asked us to watch one hour with Him? Or is the Bible also a “step backward?”

Considering that Heaven is the contemplation of God, always and forever, the good father’s going to be in for a bit of a shock.....and perhaps bored to tears.


32 posted on 09/08/2009 2:05:14 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (Boehner Baby!!!)
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To: mockingbyrd

Those who hate

Eucharistic adoration
the Rosary
fasting
the latin mass
communion on the tongue

have the Devil as their father. Yeah, I’m talking to you Catholics out there.


33 posted on 09/08/2009 2:30:49 PM PDT by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: netmilsmom

Great analogy. O’Brien needs praying for....badly!


34 posted on 09/08/2009 2:34:00 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Pyro7480

1. I am amused that McBrien would think that adoration was better suited for ignorant people. The people I have seen in the adoration chapel are sometimes reading Scripture or other theological or devotional materials during their time there. It is a time well-suited for thought and there are smart and thoughtful people doing it. Like my hubby the mathematician. Every Tuesday at 5:00 a.m.

2. Young people who have committed to their faith seem especially attracted to adoration, especially those who are charismatic, or who have gone through the “Life Teen” youth group program and tried it. In Southern California, this includes many Phillipino and Mexican parishioners. One time I went to a sort of “town-hall meeting” with a bishop and young adult ministries, where he was answering questions about their needs. There was a large group from one parish who wanted Eucharistic Adoration to be made available more often in their parish, and they had not been able to get that point across to their pastor. Perhaps Fr. McBrien has never run into this sort of passion for Christ at Notre Dame. He may be a bit out of touch with people who are actually on fire with their faith.


35 posted on 09/08/2009 2:42:12 PM PDT by married21
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

Obama Adoration is OK though, right?

^^^
You know it, FRiend!


36 posted on 09/08/2009 4:35:43 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: married21

For McBrien, being on fire with faith is analogous to burning one’s bra or draft card.

To him and his ilk, the only time they attempt to take the bible literally is when they assume that the fire of the Holy Spirit is a literal fire - and so they rush to burn all copies of the recent Catechism of the Catholic CHurch and of the old Baltimore Catechism.


37 posted on 09/08/2009 4:44:08 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (Wer glaubt ist nie allein. Who believes is never alone.)
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To: Pyro7480

McBrien. Please. fff


38 posted on 09/08/2009 5:06:29 PM PDT by TradicalRC (Go here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2326276/posts)
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To: LSUrepublican

Welcome to Free Republic! (I’m astonished that people can hang around here and not post!)


39 posted on 09/08/2009 5:55:03 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("This is our duty: to zot their sorry arses into the next time zone." ~ Admin Mod)
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40 posted on 09/08/2009 5:56:12 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: Ann Archy; Victoria Delsoul
I am absolutely speechless.

What in the world does McBrien even think anymore?

Notre Dame continues to lose its luster.

41 posted on 09/08/2009 6:05:37 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: Pyro7480; BlackElk
I went to the National Catholic website and left a note.

I continue to be stunned about how so called clergy continue to mock Christ.

42 posted on 09/08/2009 6:15:54 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: Pyro7480

Lord have mercy.

I see I have to go there.


43 posted on 09/08/2009 6:20:09 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Ez 38 Pray.)
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To: Pyro7480
Fr. Richard McBrien Claims that a future Pope must overturn the infallible document disallowing women "priests" (Ordinatio Sacerdotalis).
 
Fr. Richard McBrien Says, among other things, that Jesus did not establish the Catholic Church, and calls into question the virginal conception of Jesus and the perpetual virginity of Our Lady, and promotes dissent.
 
Fr. Richard McBrien Supporter of Call to Action.

44 posted on 09/08/2009 6:22:04 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Pyro7480
The post is unbelievable!
45 posted on 09/08/2009 6:48:36 PM PDT by AKA Elena (St Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle -- and this is war!)
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To: Pope Pius XII

Amen, he is greatly deceived and deceives others.

Pray.


46 posted on 09/08/2009 7:20:06 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Ez 38 Pray.)
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heretic

47 posted on 09/08/2009 7:47:05 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Pyro7480

Thanks for the Ping...I just sent a reply to NCR about Fr. McBrien’s article advising it is wrong and way off base..So hard to believe that with our Church in turmoil over many issues, that along comes a leader who changes the road sign and then says ‘This way, follow me’..no way

Dear Lord, we humbly apologize for this grievous error and beg Thy forgiveness...


48 posted on 09/09/2009 10:57:10 PM PDT by billmor ( CHANGE ?..The only change we need is a change in Presidents, parties,and ways of life..)
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