Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Benedict XVI Is the Second-to-Last Pope, Says Irish Prophet Malachy
ABC News International ^ | September 5, 2009 | KENNETH HAYNES

Posted on 09/14/2009 2:54:34 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta

The prophecies of the Irish saint Malachy, the 12th century bishop of Armagh who predicted all the popes, have thrilled and dismayed readers for centuries. He has stated there will be only one more pope after the current one, and during his reign comes the end of the world.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: tinfoilalert

1 posted on 09/14/2009 2:54:34 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: GiovannaNicoletta; a fool in paradise

Was Malachy a Jehovah’s Witness? Learn sumpin’ ev’ry day!


2 posted on 09/14/2009 2:57:51 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GiovannaNicoletta

ping for home


3 posted on 09/14/2009 2:59:52 PM PDT by unkus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Revolting cat!

I don’t think so- I believe he was Catholic.


4 posted on 09/14/2009 3:00:07 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: GiovannaNicoletta

Correctly interpreted, it is end of the age — not world. It means the end of the Catholic Church on earth prophesied by someone recognized as a saint. Suppose then that prediction is considered infallible.


5 posted on 09/14/2009 3:14:56 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DaveMSmith
I agree- the Scripture states repeatedly that the world will never end- this present age will end.

I find it fascinating that St. Malachy, back in the 12th century, was able to accurately predict every single Pope.

6 posted on 09/14/2009 3:17:27 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: GiovannaNicoletta

strange and interesting.


7 posted on 09/14/2009 3:18:50 PM PDT by FreeManWhoCan ("By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GiovannaNicoletta
The next one is the anti-pope who enables the anti-christ. No doubt the anti-pope will be popular with the gays, communists, muslims ♠and especially the anti-semites.
8 posted on 09/14/2009 3:19:40 PM PDT by IDFbunny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GiovannaNicoletta

Well I’ve pretty much seen most everything else, except the start. why miss the end


9 posted on 09/14/2009 3:27:53 PM PDT by reefdiver (So how's that HOPE & CHANGE working out for ya ?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GiovannaNicoletta
I agree- the Scripture states repeatedly that the world will never end.

Actually, there are several places that says the world will end...here is one example:

1.2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

10 posted on 09/14/2009 3:28:08 PM PDT by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: GiovannaNicoletta

Horse Crap!
If the Religion Mod would let me the language would be far worse. This guy didn’t predict crap.


11 posted on 09/14/2009 3:30:20 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GiovannaNicoletta
Saint Malachy, Prophecies about 112 popes until the end of the world, the last five Popes
RATZINGER APPEARS TO FULFILL MALACHY PROPHECY [De Gloria Olivae]
Papal Prophecies - End of Days: Prophecies of SAINT MALACHY
Prophecy of St Malachy (with list of Popes)
The Prophecies of St. Malachy
12 posted on 09/14/2009 3:32:20 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GiovannaNicoletta

St. Malarky?


13 posted on 09/14/2009 3:34:39 PM PDT by verity
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Mogollon

We tend to lose the distinction, between “world,” which is the nations, peoples and creatures of the planet, with the planet itself.

The planet doesn’t end. The created inhabitants and all their works, do.


14 posted on 09/14/2009 3:40:58 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: GiovannaNicoletta
In the article it mentions Cardinal Spellman who is related somehow to my wife's dad.

My faith believes the Last Judgment in heaven took place in 1757 and the process laying the foundation of the Lord's New Church began in 1771 with the publication of the last of Swedenborg's writings which explain the doctrines of the Lord's New Christian Church.

The actual second coming can be considered on several levels. As an individual, within spiritually. This is something we can prepare for. Second, on a global level, events will play out as they do.

What's interesting to me is that there are some branches of the Church founded on Swedenborg's doctrines that believe the second coming of Christ will take place in person -- which is unusual because Swedenborg wrote that it would be by revelation only.

My personal belief is that there are a LOT of folks in place with mighty spiritual powers that are diagnosed as mentally ill and medicated. Some too are evil souls. My own healing ministry targets these folks to help them realize their place in the Lord's kingdom.

At one time, I made foolish statements here on Free Republic that I was the Messiah. I never changed my screen name -- its still there in my posts. Today, I just consider myself a servant of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Messiah nonsense was just my old ego talking out of school.

You can check my home page for details about my Church.

Blessings,

15 posted on 09/14/2009 3:42:11 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Salvation
I'm suprised at you!

Saint Malachy's predictions are no different than Nostradamus. They are so vague that it becomes easy to find some aspect of the prediction that seems right. God sake lets just let dump the College of Cardinals when Pope Benedict passes and let some half azzed writer from The Weekly World News figure out who Saint Malachy picked.


16 posted on 09/14/2009 3:42:13 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Artemis Webb

No need to be surprised. I’m only posting the threads on that subject. Lots of similar opinions (to yours) on them.


17 posted on 09/14/2009 3:45:00 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: GiovannaNicoletta

In Catholic theology, the Christian era is the End Times and we are obliged to be spiritually prepared not just for our own death but also for the end of this world.


18 posted on 09/14/2009 3:46:23 PM PDT by Rockingham
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GiovannaNicoletta

I thought there was supposed to be a black pope in there.


19 posted on 09/14/2009 3:58:08 PM PDT by TradicalRC (Go here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2326276/posts)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: IDFbunny

I’ve surmised that this last pope will be an evil man.


20 posted on 09/14/2009 4:07:35 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: DaveMSmith

Do you really believe that anyone who lives a good life, whether or not they have accepted Jesus into their lives, goes to heaven?


21 posted on 09/14/2009 4:10:29 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Marysecretary

Heaven is a ‘big’ place. No one is condemned for not knowing Jesus on earth — they will have an opportunity after their body dies to learn and love the Lord. Perfection in diversity.


22 posted on 09/14/2009 4:14:33 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: GiovannaNicoletta

23 posted on 09/14/2009 4:27:55 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DaveMSmith

“It means the end of the Catholic Church on earth prophesied by someone recognized as a saint. Suppose then that prediction is considered infallible”

Sorry, but you suppose wrong. In the Catholic Church only the Pope can proclaim something claimed to be infallible, and only under a certain circumstance known as speaking “ex-cathedra;” meaning “from the chair.” Speaking ex-cathedra is a formal undertaking, and does not apply to everything a Pope may say. The term is easily researched. You might do so rather than suppose about such things.

(I don’t believe in ex-cathedra infallibility, BTW.)


24 posted on 09/14/2009 4:37:06 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Charter Member, 58 Million Club)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: TradicalRC

“I thought there was supposed to be a black pope in there.”

Actually there have been three. The first was St. Victor.


25 posted on 09/14/2009 4:39:12 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Charter Member, 58 Million Club)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: DaveMSmith

Oh, Dave. That is so wrong.


26 posted on 09/14/2009 4:41:38 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: GiovannaNicoletta
How much failed prophesy does it take to change the mind of a believer?

Matthew 16:28, 24:34

27 posted on 09/14/2009 5:01:25 PM PDT by Salman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Marysecretary
What is wrong is to say that all peoples born before Christ, all Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims and Jews are bound for hell for not knowing the name of God as Jesus.

Moreover, those who just confess the name of Jesus on the lips and live evil selfish lives are going to heaven. Funnier are those that belive a fellow like Fidel Castro has plans to confess on his last breath and be saved? Please.

28 posted on 09/14/2009 5:03:31 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: SaxxonWoods
I dunno, Just sounds that St Malachy wrote a suicide letter for his Church way back when.

I assumed the writings of saints were considered part of the faith. Guess there's a loophole.

29 posted on 09/14/2009 5:08:08 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: DaveMSmith
Heh. Sounds like you have a problem admitting your own fallibility. That's OK, carry on. I'll leave you alone now.
30 posted on 09/14/2009 5:22:10 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Charter Member, 58 Million Club)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: DaveMSmith
Suppose then that prediction is considered infallible.

Just because a saint said something, doesn't make it infallible.

And the "St. Malachy" prophecies are probably a forgery written centuries after St. Malachy.

31 posted on 09/14/2009 5:58:22 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: SaxxonWoods

Fallibility? I’ve studied Catholic contemplative teachings but never got into their whole theology and such. I have enough to study with my own religion.


32 posted on 09/14/2009 6:01:10 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: SaxxonWoods; DaveMSmith
Sorry, but you suppose wrong. In the Catholic Church only the Pope can proclaim something claimed to be infallible, and only under a certain circumstance known as speaking “ex-cathedra;” meaning “from the chair.”

Thanks, but that's not completely true either. Ex cathedra Papal decrees are infallible, but so are solemn definitions of general councils (e.g., the canons of the Council of Trent). Also, the Pope and the bishops together can teach infallibly even when not gathered in a council.

33 posted on 09/14/2009 6:02:28 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: DaveMSmith

The Catholic Church does not attribute infallibility to saints. Only Popes and the bishops in union with him are infallible, and only when teaching the content of the Faith which must be believed by everyone, always, and everywhere.

Most saints have not been theologians and were not involved in a teaching office—i.e., they have not been a pope or a bishop. St. Thomas Aquinas, generally considered the greatest theologian of all time, held a number of views that the Church later rejected. Most famously, he did not affirm the Immaculate Conception, which was widely held but not solemnly defined at the time.

Moreover, the prophecies of St. Malachy cannot be infallible because they have nothing to do with the content of the Faith.


34 posted on 09/14/2009 6:54:26 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy’s America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: reefdiver

Can we stay at the end and see the beginning again?


35 posted on 09/14/2009 6:55:24 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy’s America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: DaveMSmith

“At one time, I made foolish statements here on Free Republic that I was the Messiah.”

I presume Obama straightened you out!


36 posted on 09/14/2009 6:58:41 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy’s America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: DaveMSmith
I assumed

That is the root of your problem.

37 posted on 09/14/2009 9:56:15 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: GiovannaNicoletta; All
I find it fascinating that St. Malachy, back in the 12th century, was able to accurately predict every single Pope.

I spent some time in meditation on this this evening. I recalled the name of the 'last' pope from the article:

In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End."

Last weekend (and the week before I think), EWTN aired a movie called 'Karol, the Pope the Man' which starred an actor named Pieter who played Pope John Paul II. In my experience, these are the kind of 'gotchas' in prophecy that I find funny in an innocent sort of way. 'The timing of the release of this article is highly suspect!' :)

I have EWTN playing picture-in-picture on my computer monitor to witness the consummation of the age.

I would also apologize to anyone that took offense to my comments upthread yesterday. I lead a monastic life and a few worldly affairs had my attention. Some of my comments were inappropriate. I do not wish to change anyone's belief in God.

38 posted on 09/14/2009 11:00:45 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: DaveMSmith

Saints are not infallible.

And the “prophecies” only appeared a couple hundred years after the bishop died.

The weird part is that a lot of them fit the popes AFTER they were discovered. Logically, of course, it means it’s only a self fulfilling prophecy.


39 posted on 09/15/2009 12:23:46 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Revolting cat!

Malachy’s prophecies are given some attention, but Peter Romani is not one of Malachy’s prophecies. It is written in a different hand, perhaps centuries later. Even if the addendum is also prophetic, there is nothing to suggest that what it describes happens immediately after Malachy’s prophecies.

If one IS to read Malachy’s prophecies as apocalyptic, it certainly seems anti-climatic to discover that “the glory of the olives,” a phrase used by St. Paul to refer to the ultimate consolation and reconciliation of the Jews, refers only to the fact that a pope bears a tie to a nickname for a religious order.


40 posted on 09/15/2009 6:11:16 AM PDT by dangus (I am JimThompson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: IDFbunny
>> The next one is the anti-pope who enables the anti-christ. No doubt the anti-pope will be popular with the gays, communists, muslims ♠and especially the anti-semites. << How do you read that? Assuming the nonsense that Malachy wrote the apocalyptic portion of the list of popes, and the presumptive notion that Malachy meant to infer that there is no time between the events, the next pope will feed his flock amidst many persecutions. Do you really think a Catholic saint would regard promoting gays, communists, muslims and anti-semites as "feeding his flock amidst many persecutions?"
41 posted on 09/15/2009 6:14:13 AM PDT by dangus (I am JimThompson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Arthur McGowan
Moreover, the prophecies of St. Malachy cannot be infallible because they have nothing to do with the content of the Faith.

They don't have to be infallible...The question is: are they accurate???

42 posted on 09/15/2009 7:33:54 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: dangus

Pardon my ignorance, I’m not Catholic, saw some program on Malachy’s predictions. I do think we’re at the end of an age and can believe there will be much turmoil coming in the next few years.


43 posted on 09/15/2009 10:21:09 AM PDT by IDFbunny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Iscool

1. The end-times comments are not germaine to St. Malachy’s prophecies., but are a centuries-later addition.
2. No endorsement from the Catholic church can be inferred from the fact that someone was made a saint, only that he was not a heretic or sinful. Since there is no claim by St. Malachy that the predictions are given him by Christ, etc., he can be wrong without being sinful or heretical.
3. There are whopper presumptions, not in the text of even the corrupted, extended prophecies, which are behind the notions expressed by many interpretations.
4. Even if, on some level, St. Malachy’s statements prove predictive, their predictive usefulness may be exceedingly limited. “The Glory of the Olives” is used as a term by St. Paul for referring to the Jews, in reference to their end-times conversion. Yet the supposed fulfillment of this prophecy with St. Benedict is his tenuous links to an order of priests known informally as Olivetans.


44 posted on 09/15/2009 11:03:10 AM PDT by dangus (I am JimThompson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: dangus
After that pope described by St. Malachy as "The Glory of the Olive," is there not an ellipsis (....) which suggests that Peter the Roman or Peter the Omega is NOT the pope immediately following The Glory of the Olive?

In any event, any predictions whatsoever of St. Malachy may or may not be true but would, at best, be "private revelation" and therefore not required to be believed. Many of us believe in Marian apparitions but we are not required to believe in them. Public revelation was complete with the Apocalypse or Revelations, the last book of Scripture.

St. Thomas Aquinas, remarkable though he was, was wrong on several scores but unquestionably a saint nonetheless. His errors were of a scientific nature (i.e. when life begins) or were as to doctrines not yet mandatory in his lifetime.

St. Malachy's predictions have proven remarkably accurate in many respects but he never predicted when the world would end. The accuracy of his predictions in recent papacies would be reflected in such as: Paul VI (family name Montini) was described as the mountain; John XXIII as the Rose (most prominent feature in his family coat of arms); John Paul I as de Mediatate Lunae (of the half moon) which had long been thought to be a reference to some notable conversion of Muslims but turned out more likely to be related to the extreme brevity of his papacy; John Paul II (Labor Solis, the work of the sun) a reference to the brilliance of his papacy (concededly not perfect but stunning nonetheless).

Since many of St. Malachy's names for popes are not the sort of thing that the cardinals would know in advance, it does not seem likely that the predictions have caused the election of specific popes. John Paul I, John Paul II and Benedict XVI could not have been identified in advance of election by the prophecies as three examples.

45 posted on 09/16/2009 4:52:19 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson