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Man vs. God (Karen Armstrong vs Richard Dawkins )
Wall Street Journal ^ | 9/15/2009

Posted on 09/15/2009 4:50:04 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

We commissioned Karen Armstrong and Richard Dawkins to respond independently to the question "Where does evolution leave God?" Neither knew what the other would say. Here are the results.

Karen Armstrong says we need God to grasp the wonder of our existence

CLICK ON THE ABOVE LINK TO READ WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY...

Richard Dawkins argues that evolution leaves God with nothing to do

CLICK ON ABOVE LINK TO READ WHAT HE HAS TO SAY...

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: dawkins; evolution; god; man

1 posted on 09/15/2009 4:50:05 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

She pretty much blows up the self-important extremists on this board who think they get to choose who is and isn’t a “Good Christian” and decide people’s theology.

Armstrong makes a good case of how they work together. Dawkins, since he doesn’t know God, makes assumptions about Him that are just wrong (about this). When God speaks to my heart, He has plenty to do.


2 posted on 09/15/2009 4:56:58 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s sad that people use their pathetic limited intelligence in an attempt to deduce God from natural phenomena. Jesus said: “If you have seen me, you have seen the Father.” The ministry of Jesus Christ demonstrated once and for all what God is like: extravagantly loving, sacrificial, and willing to forgive our many faults. Don’t try to “dope it out” yourself. Read the Gospel, believe it, and live it.


3 posted on 09/15/2009 4:58:36 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: hellbender

“It’s sad that people use their pathetic limited intelligence in an attempt to deduce God from natural phenomena.”

Who does that?


4 posted on 09/16/2009 7:31:12 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.
I think Karen Armstrong does so (did you read the linked article?). People on these atheism vs. theism threads do it all the time, esp. the atheists, with rationalizations like: "Life isn't fair...the Genesis creation story isn't literally true...therefore the Judeo-Christian God isn't real." Heck, I'm even guilty of doing it myself at times.

I doubt that either Armstrong or Dawkins has ever read the Bible with the concentration and study it deserves. Anyone who does so, esp. if he uses a good study Bible and couples it with Christian apologetics, will eventually be struck by the fact that the values taught in the Gospel are not found in other, man-made, religions, and are often completely opposed to the motives of natural man. He will also realize that the OT contains numerous prophecies and figurative allusions to events which took place centuries later in the NT.

5 posted on 09/16/2009 8:44:42 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: hellbender

“People on these atheism vs. theism threads do it all the time, esp. the atheists, with rationalizations like: “Life isn’t fair...the Genesis creation story isn’t literally true...”

Is it you position then that one is an athiest if one does not believe that Genesis is literally true?


6 posted on 09/16/2009 9:38:49 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.

Absolutely not. I don’t believe that the creation story in Genesis is literally true myself. I am saying that atheists love to deduce from the evidence for evolution that Genesis is entirely false and meaningless. Actually it is loaded with truth about the essential nature of man and his relationship with God. If the literal creation myth were crucial to Christian belief, we would find it repeatedly harped on throughout the Bible. We don’t. But we do find many stories of men and nations who displeased God and suffered for it, and repeated allusions to the future coming and sacrifice of Jesus.


7 posted on 09/16/2009 10:32:39 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: hellbender

Good post. Thanks.


8 posted on 09/16/2009 10:35:56 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: SeekAndFind
This summer, our online ministry did a Creation Works series explaining how the 'facts' of evolution and the 'truth' of the Bible are interwoven. It's available at: Creation Works

As for the literal truth of Genesis Chapter 1, I believe God will demonstrate that this week. The truth of God's Word are now demonstrated as facts.

For the spiritual perspective of how the creation story can be applied individually, check out Heavenly Secrets Vol 1. (Swedenborg)

9 posted on 09/16/2009 10:46:01 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God)
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To: DaveMSmith

“As for the literal truth of Genesis Chapter 1, I believe God will demonstrate that this week. “

OK, I’m torn. I don’t want to respond because your post is a commercial for your YouTube channel, but I’m curious about the specific date that the literal truth of Genesis will be demonstrated this week. Can you provide the detail?


10 posted on 09/16/2009 10:49:47 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.
Today is the first day. The youtube site did not make that prediction but explains things in a very understandable way.

How do I know this, you ask? Search my posting history on FR.

11 posted on 09/16/2009 10:57:31 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God)
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To: DaveMSmith; Quix
Maybe a historical perspective will be useful: Swedenborg completed publishing his revelations which constituted the beginning of the second coming in 1771. The Boston Tea Party followed. A lower case 't' is a cross, the symbol of Christianity. 't' party.

We've had the second tea party -- signalling the end of the process for the establishment of the Lord's New Church, technology, etc.

Free Republic is a major part of this new Divine order.

12 posted on 09/16/2009 11:06:47 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God)
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To: DaveMSmith

I’m not going to research your posting history or watch your videos. I asked a question—why can’t you just answer it?


13 posted on 09/16/2009 11:07:57 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.

Uh, God Himself told me? :-)


14 posted on 09/16/2009 11:09:03 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God)
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To: DaveMSmith

In Portuguese, tea is chá. Are the Portuguese therefore excluded from the Lord’s New Church? What about Brazil?

You are mocking Christianity for your own benefit.


15 posted on 09/16/2009 11:12:50 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: DaveMSmith

If you’re serious, then you’re a shameful fraud. But you do fit in among a small group of fellow pseudoChristian frauds here at FR.


16 posted on 09/16/2009 11:14:25 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.
Do not let this thread become "about" another Freeper. That is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

17 posted on 09/16/2009 11:15:20 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator
Post 12 is religion?
18 posted on 09/16/2009 11:17:09 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.
That is quite an accusation!

I do take issue with the old Christian faiths. We are not to focus on pain and suffering of the cross but the healing power of God and the rational understanding in freedom of His Word.

Scientists and materialists mock Christ.

19 posted on 09/16/2009 11:17:39 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God)
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To: DaveMSmith

Yes, and apparently one that I am not allowed to make in the religion forum. Have the thread moved to chat if you feel confident confident enough to debate your points.


20 posted on 09/16/2009 11:19:44 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.

This thread is posted in the Religion Forum. Click on my profile page for guidelines pertaining to the RF.


21 posted on 09/16/2009 11:21:31 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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