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Sebelius on her bishop: "It was one of the most painful things I have ever experienced in my life"
Deacon's Bench ^ | September 16, 2009 | DEACON GREG KANDRA

Posted on 09/16/2009 4:17:40 PM PDT by NYer

The Washington Post the other day posted a lengthy interview with Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of Health and Human Services, and Catholic. A pertinent excerpt:

MS. ROMANO: You are also a pro-choice Catholic, and I was reading some stories out of your home state recently where one of the bishops took an action. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

SECRETARY SEBELIUS: Well, the Archbishop in the Kansas City area did not approve of my conduct as a public official and asked that I not present myself for communion.

MS. ROMANO: What did you think about that?

SECRETARY SEBELIUS: Well, it was one of the most painful things I have ever experienced in my life, and I am a firm believer in the separation of church and state, and I feel that my actions as a parishioner are different than my actions as a public official and that the people who elected me in Kansas had a right to expect me to uphold their rights and their beliefs even if they did not have the same religious beliefs that I had. And that's what I did: I took an oath of office and I have taken an oath of office in this job and will uphold the law.

MS. ROMANO: Do you continue to take communion?

SECRETARY SEBELIUS: I really would prefer not to discuss with you. That's really a personal--thank you.
There's more, and video, at the link.


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: bhohhs; catholic; catholicpoliticians; communion; sebelius
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1 posted on 09/16/2009 4:17:40 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 09/16/2009 4:18:13 PM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

Where’s that picture of the smallest violin in the world playing Hearts and Flowers (thumb and forefinger rubbing together)?


3 posted on 09/16/2009 4:20:02 PM PDT by livius
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To: NYer

Sure, a pro-choice Catholic that says she does it to serve the citizens. Hmmm...


4 posted on 09/16/2009 4:20:13 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: NYer
"I took an oath of office"

Ironic isn't it that an oath she swore to God to uphold, to her, supersedes Gods law....

5 posted on 09/16/2009 4:20:45 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: NYer

As she orders millions of people into gas chambers she will say that her actions as a government official are separate from her private civilian life.

right.

Leftists do NOT believe that, by the way. EVERYTHING is political to a leftist. literally everything.


6 posted on 09/16/2009 4:21:37 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: Natural Law
"Ironic isn't it that an oath she swore to God to uphold, to her, supersedes Gods law.... "

Says it all...not only for her, but for our "Christian" President Obortion as well.

7 posted on 09/16/2009 4:23:00 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American (u)
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To: Dutchboy88

Obviously Mrs. Sebelius’s trumps serving the state over serving the Lord!


8 posted on 09/16/2009 4:23:18 PM PDT by classified
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To: NYer
I am a firm believer in the separation of church and state, and I feel that my actions as a parishioner are different than my actions as a public official

Somehow I don't think that kind of answer is going to fly when you come face to face with your Creator.

9 posted on 09/16/2009 4:23:53 PM PDT by workerbee (If you vote for Democrats, you are engaging in UnAmerican Activity.)
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To: NYer

Kathy Sebelius -— just another “cafeteria Catholic”.

Tick...tick...tick


10 posted on 09/16/2009 4:26:21 PM PDT by Walrus (My congressman is toast in 2010 --- how about yours?)
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To: NYer

Well, darlin’ how do you think the baby feels when he’s murdered in his mother’s womb.


11 posted on 09/16/2009 4:27:51 PM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: workerbee
Sebelius is such an ignorant person ~ guess it never occurred to her that she doesn't make rules for the Catholic church.

Look, she's an embarrassment to the whole country ~ this argument that the separation of church and state requires that she kill babies is the most ridiculous thing I've ever herd.

Now they've said that PA Senator's elevator doesn't go all the way to the top, this ol'gal doesn't have seals to keep her brains from leaking.

12 posted on 09/16/2009 4:36:29 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: NYer
In other words, "just following orders". Don't they call that the "Nuremberg defense"?

She feels pain because she can't take part in communion, but I didn't hear her say that the thought of abortion causes her pain.

You can't honestly seperate your core values from your actions, at least I don't see how.

13 posted on 09/16/2009 4:38:57 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: NYer

A cafeteria Catholic.


14 posted on 09/16/2009 4:45:45 PM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholic voters were true to their faith there would be no abortion and no President Obama.)
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To: GeronL

The very same analogy popped into my mind the minute I read her statement.


15 posted on 09/16/2009 4:49:21 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Natural Law
That's the same thought I had. Not much of a christian is she?

Mark 8:36...."What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul?"

16 posted on 09/16/2009 4:50:18 PM PDT by annieokie (i)
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To: NYer

IMHO, any one that claims to be a Christian and is pro-choice/for abortion is not a Christian.


17 posted on 09/16/2009 4:50:31 PM PDT by cranked
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To: IbJensen

Was it part of her oath to the people to take MONEY from
George R. Tiller, the nation’s most prominent provider of controversial late-term abortions.

Perhaps she could use that cash to bribe a priest to give her communion!


18 posted on 09/16/2009 4:51:30 PM PDT by JohnD9207 (REGISTERED RIGHT WING THUG!)
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To: NYer

Why would it be “personal” if if the issue whether or not she takes her Church teaching seriously?

Where is the St (Sir) Thomas More in her? “The King’s good servant, but God’s first.”


19 posted on 09/16/2009 4:51:32 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: NYer

Hey Kathy....it’s going to be even more painful in eternity if you don’t change.


20 posted on 09/16/2009 4:51:35 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: NYer

You don’t know what pain is, Sec. Sebelius.


21 posted on 09/16/2009 4:58:59 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: NYer

She swore an oath to serve Satan from Monday to Saturday, and plays make-believe Catholic on Sunday for two hours. Geesh.


22 posted on 09/16/2009 5:01:38 PM PDT by rom (Israel got Saul before they got David. Where's our David?)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

You can, however, choose to step down from a position that would make you betray your conscience or morals.......


23 posted on 09/16/2009 5:02:52 PM PDT by wombtotomb (Equal opportunity does not mean equal OUTCOME!!)
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To: IbJensen

Bell, book and candle for her.

Heck, exclusion from the sacrament of communion is the least of her worries if she doesn’t find herself in accord with God’s laws.


24 posted on 09/16/2009 5:20:46 PM PDT by DesertConservative
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To: NYer

Sebelius thinks being denied communion is painful? The pain will be worse than she can imagine if she dies unrepentant and unsaved.


25 posted on 09/16/2009 5:21:03 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: NYer
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26 posted on 09/16/2009 5:52:13 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. God help us.)
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To: cranked

Exactly, cranked.


27 posted on 09/16/2009 6:25:56 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: vox_freedom

Conservative women look happy, satisfied with life, and attractive. Then there are liberal women...


28 posted on 09/16/2009 6:27:13 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Ann Archy; Victoria Delsoul
It amazes me that any thinking person who can try the argument that they can separate their personal life and public life in such matters. It really is a nonsensical as they continue to take personal sides on abortion, euthanasia, or any other liberal caues, and legislating their will over others in accordance to a philosophy. It has everything to do with taking a personal argument and backing it. You can't seperate yourself from public actions that you committ to on a day to day basis. It is all tied to who you are and what you believe.

Her argument is a copout and just doesn't hold water.

29 posted on 09/16/2009 6:45:35 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: NYer
and I am a firm believer in the separation of church and state, and I feel that my actions as a parishioner are different than my actions as a public official

This woman is talking legalism...What's legal in the Church as opposed to what's legal in the State...

But what's in your heart lady??? How can you have Jesus in your heart and condone killing babies at the same time???

One would think that Catholics would eventually admit that being Catholic does NOT automatically mean you are a member of the Body of Jesus Christ...

30 posted on 09/16/2009 6:48:51 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: NYer
Well, it was one of the most painful things I have ever experienced in my life, and I am a firm believer in the separation of church and state, and I feel that my actions as a parishioner are different than my actions as a public official and that the people who elected me in Kansas had a right to expect me to uphold their rights and their beliefs even if they did not have the same religious beliefs that I had. And that's what I did: I took an oath of office and I have taken an oath of office in this job and will uphold the law.

Apparently the Church thinks differently.

I think they were fond of saying things like this in Hitler's Germany.

31 posted on 09/16/2009 7:42:27 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (hang the Czars.)
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To: Marysecretary
Conservative women look happy, satisfied with life, and attractive. Then there are liberal women...

How true. I have been watching her for a while now and it is apparent that she is mentally anguished... She needs God and to devote time in prayer, meditation and contemplation to the Blessed Virgin Mary. But that's just my opinion. :-)

32 posted on 09/16/2009 7:54:16 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. God help us.)
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To: Dutchboy88

**Sure, a pro-choice Catholic that says she does it to serve the citizens. Hmmm...**

Yes, what about her serving God first?

Makes me wonder if she has had an abortion???


33 posted on 09/16/2009 8:43:14 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: IbJensen

A CINO.


34 posted on 09/16/2009 8:44:28 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Ann Archy

Notice she refuses to answer the question of whether she continues to receive Communion. If she does, it’s sacrilege. Better go to Confession, Kathy!


35 posted on 09/16/2009 8:58:58 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Iscool

“One would think that Catholics would eventually admit that being Catholic does NOT automatically mean you are a member of the Body of Jesus Christ...”

Good grief. Is there any single thing that you have right about the Catholic Church? Right now I can’t remember your ever having uttered a true thing on the subject.


36 posted on 09/16/2009 9:23:28 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: GeronL
As she orders millions of people into gas chambers she will say that her actions as a government official are separate from her private civilian life. right. Leftists do NOT believe that, by the way. EVERYTHING is political to a leftist. literally everything.

Good point!

37 posted on 09/16/2009 9:34:49 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (...We never faced anything like this...we only fought humans.)
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To: dsc
Good grief. Is there any single thing that you have right about the Catholic Church? Right now I can’t remember your ever having uttered a true thing on the subject.

Then make it easy, correct me on the issue...What is the position of the Catholic religion???

38 posted on 09/16/2009 10:04:06 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Marysecretary

Have you seen the latest video of Carter and Rosalyn?

Lord, have mercy, she looks completely out of it, and her face is so pinched it must hurt.

Between Rosalyn Carter and Michelle Obama, I see more anger than any other two people could possibly generate.


39 posted on 09/17/2009 2:53:52 AM PDT by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: NYer

You always have the choice of repenting, Kathleen. That only hurts for a minute, and then you feel so much better!


40 posted on 09/17/2009 4:40:26 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Leave the presence of a fool, for there you do not meet words of knowledge."~Pr. 14:7)
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To: NYer

If she thinks the sit down with the bishop was painful, imagine the anguish of a Particular Judgement. I wouldn’t want to be trying to justify the blood of unborn innocents upon my death.


41 posted on 09/17/2009 6:25:29 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: Iscool

You mean like the folks that are “saved” on Sunday and do what they please Monday to Saturday. You have faker-foolers in all branches of Christianity.


42 posted on 09/17/2009 6:28:18 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: Iscool; dsc
One would think that Catholics would eventually admit that being Catholic does NOT automatically mean you are a member of the Body of Jesus Christ...

First of all, it's not a matter of "being Catholic," it's being baptized. If you're baptized validly, you've been made a member of the Body even as a heretic.

Second of all, we don't go in for any of this nonsense that people are ensured salvation at some point when they become a member of the Body. As Christ said, the tares grow with the wheat in the Kingdom of Heaven--and no man can tell them apart until the former are brought out to be burned.

43 posted on 09/17/2009 6:32:24 AM PDT by Claud
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To: NYer

MS. ROMANO: You are also a pro-choice Catholic, and I was reading some stories out of your home state recently where one of the bishops took an action. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

SECRETARY SEBELIUS: Well, the Archbishop in the Kansas City area did not approve of my conduct as a public official and asked that I not present myself for communion.

This isn't true, She all but admits being pro-abortion, and the Archbishop should make it clear that her belief bars her from Communion.

From this source:

Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius should stop taking Communion until she repudiates her support for the “serious moral evil” of abortion, the Catholic archbishop for northeast Kansas says.

It has nothing to do with her actions, it is her personal belief she must repudiate.

44 posted on 09/17/2009 6:33:40 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Claud
First of all, it's not a matter of "being Catholic," it's being baptized. If you're baptized validly, you've been made a member of the Body even as a heretic.

Wow, that is staggering, honestly ... I couldn't disagree more ...
45 posted on 09/17/2009 6:33:51 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: norge

No, I didn’t. I saw a picture. Both of them belong in a home, LOL.


46 posted on 09/17/2009 6:38:05 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: NYer

Isn’t there an oath attached to confirmation, too?

Kathleen - I’m not really a Catholic - Sebelius conveniently has no memory of that fact, it appears.


47 posted on 09/17/2009 6:40:10 AM PDT by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: vox_freedom

We all need Jesus. They seem to want to avoid Him. He doesn’t fit in with their plans.


48 posted on 09/17/2009 6:41:37 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: NYer

Her oath to the State supercedes her oath to God. That says it all.


49 posted on 09/17/2009 6:45:23 AM PDT by ShandaLear (Cronyism, Protectionism, Socialism, Obamunism)
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To: Scythian
Wow, that is staggering, honestly ... I couldn't disagree more ...

What's so staggering about it? Do you not study Christian history?

You just have a classically Protestant nonsacramental view of Baptism. To you the Sacrament is meaningless...just some water and words. To us, it's a true Sacrament which brings about what it symbolizes: we are born again of water AND the Spirit. Remember circuitry logic? AND. Not OR, not NOR, not NAND, but AND.

50 posted on 09/17/2009 7:01:20 AM PDT by Claud
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