Skip to comments.How to testify
Posted on 09/20/2009 2:46:15 PM PDT by Colofornian
Sharing testimonies is an important part of the Latter-day Saint experience. We bear testimonies in many settings in the home with family and among friends and associates or in missionary experiences. In Church, one Sunday is set aside every month for the bearing of testimonies during sacrament meetings.
In his address at the October 2004 general conference, Elder M. Russell Ballard of the Quorum of the Twelve...said that his experience throughout the Church leads him to worry that too many members' testimonies linger on "I am thankful," and "I love," and too few are able to say with humble but sincere clarity, "I know." As a result, he noted, meetings sometimes lack the testimony-rich, spiritual underpinnings that stir the soul and have meaningful, positive impact on the lives of all those who hear them.
He...counseled, "We need to replace stories, travelogues and lectures with pure testimonies. Those who are entrusted to speak and teach in our meetings need to do so with doctrinal power that will be both heard and felt, lifting the spirits and edifying our people."
As we listen to general conference this October, we will hear many bear pure testimony. Numerous times over the years, we have heard President Thomas S. Monson, first as an apostle and now as president of the Church, bear such testimony. May we, as Primary children sing, be inclined to "follow the prophet" in our endeavor to nurture, strengthen and share our testimonies that we have a Heavenly Father who loves us, that Jesus is the Christ, Joseph Smith was the prophet who was raised up to restore the fullness of the everlasting gospel...
(Excerpt) Read more at ldschurchnews.com ...
That's because Mormonism is an outward-oriented "to do-list religion" vs. Christianity's KNOWING relationship -- knowing "the only true God and His Son, Jesus Christ" -- which John says IS "eternal life" (John 17:3)
From the article: He...counseled, "We need to replace stories, travelogues and lectures with pure testimonies."
Well, between this quote and the one above, Mormons note this: even your testimonies are "graded" by your leaders!!!
Here, the heart of Mormonism is experiential feelings -- and that apparently is reflected by the "stories" and "travelogues" as testimonies...and somehow Lds leaders want to squeeze out something else from the inside that's just not there!
From the article: According to Lds' current "prophet" May we, as Primary children sing, be inclined to "follow the prophet" in our endeavor to nurture, strengthen and share our testimonies that we have a Heavenly Father who loves us, that Jesus is the Christ, Joseph Smith was the prophet who was raised up to restore the fullness of the everlasting gospel...
OK, well if Lds leaders can grade their members' collective testimonies, here's a simple "scorecard" for Monson's testimony above:
God the Father, a single mention
Jesus is a savior, a single mention
Joseph Smith as prophet, 2 mentions
(Now we know which personality gets double testimony coverage in the Lds church!)
I read the article. I do not understand why anyone would need instructions on how to testify. I do not understand it no I do not.
This testimony has been posted on my page here for years.
I know that my redeemer lives. I know that though I will grow old(er) and die, I will in my Flesh stand before him to be judged. I testify that Jesus Christ is my redeemer, My Judge, My God. I know that only through his grace can I be saved. I know this with every fiber of my being. I have put the Promises contained in the Book of Mormon at Moroni 10:4, and in First John 4:1-3 and Prayed to God about the Book of Mormon and was told that it was true and that Jesus was my savior and walked in the flesh on the earth. I am far from perfect. Any errors in my page here, or in my posts or anywhere else, are my mistakes, attribute not to God my faults for mine are many and he is perfect. Blame me if you must blame anyone for the imperfections of my works, but know this, I tried to do a Good work, My failings are my own, and not my masters.
Last of all, I testify to you that Jesus lives! The bonds of death and hell cannot prevail against him nor against any who he calls his in the last day, my hope is to be among them and to have him wash me clean that I may enter in and dwell with him forever.
In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.
I need no one to tell me that Jesus LIVES, and that He is the only way to Salvation.
Religion is my choice or not. No one has the right to tell me what to believe.
Jesus is my Saviour and that’s IT!!
My Redeemer LIVES!!
Your Testimony parallels my own.
I cannot imagine my life without the Gospel of Jesus Christ, in all of the Scriptures, including the “Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ.”
Anyone wanting more proof of Jesus Christ as the Saviour of our Earth is cheating him/herself by not reading this book prayerfully. The testament of Jesus Christ is overwhelming!
This is where terms need to be defined, lest Mormons come across sounding "Christian."
When a Mormon talks about "salvation," they usually mean, "Just about everybody is saved. Jesus is the only way to just about everybody being saved." [near universalism -- Mormons teach just about all people will go to one of 3 "degrees of glory"]
IOW, to the Mormon, Jesus dying on the cross gives everybody a chance to be resurrected. But then you need to ask the Mormon, "well, to you, please tell me what's in store for some of those so 'resurrected'?"
In response, you won't usually hear Lds volunteer the following -- that a resurrection unto damnation is also what Jesus talked about (see below)...so much for resurrection = a form of "salvation":
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." (John 5:29)
(Lds: Please note for future reference: damnation is NOT a degree of glory!!!)
WHAT??? Are you telling me that even though the Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ, is, INDEED another testament of Jesus Christ; that the "Mormons" who are INDEED members of the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints, you still believe we are NOT CHRISTian???
Where does that come from, pray, tell? How can you say Mormons are not "Christian" if you haven't prayerfully studied the faith of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
Stop concentrating on "Mormon" and start looking at the messages that Jesus Christ has to give you.
Well, religion may be your choice -- but not a born-from-above relationship with God the Father:
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:12-13)
#1 Before you can be a genuine son of God, you must first receive his authority (word for "power" in Greek in John 1:12 is exousia -- the authority). Since the Mormon god was always a god wanna-be -- and never had ultimate divine authority (he was always beholden to a higher god)...he has no ultimate authority.
#2 Our being so born from above is never according to "the will of man" -- says John the apostle in John 1:13. So who should we believe -- your "pro-choice" theology or John's saying that it comes down to the will of God?
#3 Notice, too, that John 1:12-13 wreaks havoc with Mormon theology that you were all sons & daughters of Elohim in "the pre-existence." Haven't you ever noticed that underlined word above "become" in John 1:12?
And that word isn't particular to the Bible, either:
...for behold, this day he hath spiritually begotten you; for ye say that your hearts are changed through faith on his name; therefore, ye are born of him and have become his sons and his daughters. (Mosiah 5:7)
And the Lord said unto me: Marvel not that all mankind, yea, men and women, all nations, kindreds, tongues and people, must be born again; yea, born of God, changed from their carnal and fallen state, to a state of righteousness, being redeemed of God, becoming his sons and daughters; And thus they become new creatures; and unless they do this, they can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God. (Mosiah 27:25-26)
So, unlike what your parents may have taught you...
...or your seminary & institute instructors...
...Mormons or others "can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God" (Mosiah 27:26) based upon some titled linkage to either some "pre-existence" or simply bearing the Mormon identity.
No, Mosiah 27:25 makes it clear: We have to be changed (past/present tense) from a carnal/fallen state to a current state or righteousness. Are you currently righteous? Are you, as Mosiah said, a new changed creature? -- 'cause if you're not, you "can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God."
(Is that why an angel, Moroni, stands atop Lds facilities? 'Cause Lds are "concentrating" on Christ? Where's the cross of Christ in any Lds facility? Why is not the ultimate act of "proxy" substitution -- Jesus dying on the cross for our sins -- not symbolized in any place where Lds do "proxy" baptisms???)
Gordon B. Hinckley, lds "prophet," told Larry King 11 years ago that there wasn't any such thing as a "fundamentalist Mormon"...(so Hinckley had a right to define Mormonism, but Christians don't have a right to define Christianity? Anything under the sun is made to be under the Son?)
Sounding remarkably like the teachings that Smith was exposed to - that of Swedenborg.
In response, you won't usually hear Lds volunteer the following -- that a resurrection unto damnation is also what Jesus talked about (see below)...so much for resurrection = a form of "salvation":
Nor do they volunteer the 12 steps required for 'salvation' either
Step One: Faith
Step Two: Repentance
Step Three: Baptism by Immersion in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Step Four: Laying on of Hands by a Member of the Melchizedek Priesthood in Order to Receive the Holy Ghost
Step Five: Ordination as a Melchizedek Priest (for males only - sorry ladies, your only salvation is to be eternally pregnant as one of a god's harem)
Step Six: Receiving the Temple Endowments
Step Seven: Celestial Marriage
Step Eight: Observing the Word of Wisdom
Step Nine: Sustain the Prophet
Step Ten: Tithing
Step Eleven: Sacrament Meetings
Step Twelve: Obedience
Since the bom contains the fullness of the gospel, how come these items are not in it?
I got it. Call me when you’re read enough to debate...
My Salvation Testimony (not the first time I've shared this on a thread):
Well, I testify that Jesus' blood was powerful enough not only to atone for Adam's sin, but mine. I have his rich blood streak running over every part of my sinful body, my sinful mind, my sinful soul, my sinful spirit. I am drenched in His blood; saturated in it; bathed in it. It cleanses me entirely of all past sins, my present sins, and every sin I'll commit (or action I'll fail to responsibly commit) because I entrust that His blood is sufficient for me.
...makes me "worthy"--tho the fact that He went to the cross for me shows my ultimate value.
Like any heir, I'm an heir by His death [or did you think you could become an heir & gain a "testimony" only by His life???] and by His ensuing gift to me...NOT an heir based upon...
...my self-promotional worthiness,
...my bishop-graded temple recommend,
...my Word-of-wisdom keeping,
...my exaltation checklist,
...who I marry,
...if I marry,
...and all the other plural "My-s" I can ever list--as if my life was to center on... ...me
...or as if all my good works were primarily or unconsciously done to boomering back on my bootstraps to kick me into divinity...
...rather than simply to love the One I serve.
Mormonism runs in my family blood...
What's vitally more important is Jesus' blood...
The key to being part of that heavenly Zion isn't whether you were born Mormon...
But whether we're reborn of the Spirit
On all threads, but particularly open threads, posters must never make it personal. Reading minds and attributing motives are forms of making it personal. Making a thread about another Freeper is making it personal.
When in doubt, review your use of the pronoun you before hitting enter.
Like the Smoky Backroom, the conversation may be offensive to some.
Thin-skinned posters will be booted from open threads because in the town square, they are the disrupters.
Thin-skinned (emotional, whiney or mercurial temper) posters are the disruptors on open threads.
It appears you are living proof of that assessment.
Lighten up and Take Five
And that is different how?
Mormonism runs in my family blood...
And...? Your argument is...what?
The key to being part of that heavenly Zion isn't whether you were born Mormon... But whether we're reborn of the Spirit
As I said, YOU are pathetic. You have no clue what you're talking about, and yet you try to convince me that you have the lock on the board when it comes to believing. Get a life, Dude.
Are you telling ME to Take Five?
The Mormon "Christ" is a pre-existent spirit, they say, like you or me...whose difference is...
(a) mere spiritual birth order--having been first;
(b) was twice made a son of God via Mary; and
(c) died for Adam's sin so folks could be resurrected (his role as Savior).
The true Messiah was born in Bethlehem as the Bible foretold and affirmed post-birth--not like the Mormon jesus of Mormon "scriptures" supposedly born in Jerusalem.
Other than that, the lds jesus is not the Son of God from eternity past. He worked his way up to godhood status. He's not an exalted God-become-man, but an exalted man-become-God. He was an elder spirit bro of Lucipher. Had you or your brother been "first" in that pre-existent spirit world birth order, he could have been Christ!!!
This "jesus" is foreign to the Bible. The Messiah of the Bible shared the glory with the Father in the beginning (John 17:5). This Jesus is THE Son of God, not just a son of God. And THE Son of God did not consider equality with His Father something he couldn't let go of while becoming a man (see Philippians 2). Phil. 2 makes it clear He was already divine, not just a "wannabe" God like Dear Ole Dad.
The True Jesus Christ: Savior, not a Saved Being
In contrast, the Mormon christ is but a "saved being"--a mere creature like dear ole Dad: "Christ is a saved being (lds apostle McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, Vol. 3, p 257) Modern revelation speaks of our Lord as he that ascended up on high, as also he descended below all things, in that he comprehended all things, that he might be in all and through all things, the light of truth (D&C 88:6). Christ's rise to the throne of exaltation was preceded by his descent below all things. Only by submitting to the powers of demons and death and hell could he, in the resurrection, serve as our exemplar of a saved being... (McConkie and Millet, Doctrinal Commentary on the Book of Mormon, vol. 1, p. 234) (Please also see McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, Vol. 3, p. 238 where he said the Mormon "jesus" "Needs salvation...Came to earth to work out His own salvation)
I'm sorry. The real Christ is the Savior of the world: And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be THE Savior of the world. (1 John 4:14; cf. John 4:42).
In contrast, the Mormon christ is one savior among many:
"...we are the only people that know how to save our progenitors, how to save ourselves, and how to save our posterity in the celestial kingdom of God;...we in fact are the saviours of the world..." (lds "prophet" John Taylor; Journal of Discourses, vol.6, p.163).
No, "saviors of the world" are not plentiful (1 John 4:14; John 4:42).
The Mormon "jesus" really didn't die for our personal sins or our rebellious nature...cause if we get to Mormon heaven we discover the Mormon doctrine of men are subject to punishment for their own sins--not Jesus as our Substitute [LDS second article of faith: "We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression." The flip side of this belief is that Jesus wasn't punished for our sins--men will be...Jesus was simply punished for Adam's sin to release us to "free agency."]
The True Jesus Christ: Creator of All Things & All Beings, Not Simply a Creature
The Jesus of the Bible created all things--including all angels...including even Lucipher (see Heb 1; John 1; Col. 1:16; see even D&C 93:9-10). This Jesus didn't atone for sins by sweating blood in the garden; He did it on Calvary as the Bible proclaims.
The Mormon "jesus" upon spirit birth was not unique other than his spirit birth order. He's just one god among millions of Mormon "gods." (Lds "prophet" Spencer W. Kimball not all that long ago told 225,000 gathered that perhaps "225,000 gods" were among them then!!!)
I worship this Messiah, just like God told the angels to do in Hebrews 1:6. And I challenge grassroots Mormons to defy their leaders when they tell them NOT to directly worship Jesus (see Mormon 7:7; 2 Nephi 25:29; 4 Nephi 4:37; 3 Nephi 11:17; 3 Nephi 17:10).
I directly pray to this Jesus as Stephen did in Acts (7:59) -- and even as the supposed Book of Mormon disciple characters DIRECTLY and repeatedly did to Jesus in 3 Nephi 19: 6-26...again -- a Mormon "scripture" de-emphasized & ignored by Mormon leaders.
Thomas calls Jesus his God in John 20:28; even the Nephite disciples likewise called Jesus their Lord and God (3 Nephi 19:18). D&C says Jesus is God (19:4; 62:1; etc.) Since theres only one true God in the bible and in the LDS scriptures (for example, Pearl of Great Price says "no God besides me" (1:6), either Jesus is a false god or the one true God. As Jesus Christ is a God to Thomas (John 20:28) -- so Thomas has two gods?
Jesus Christ is my Lord, my Savior, my God! He is the Only Lord, the Only Savior, the Only True God!
Bearing a testimony...
That sounds about as painful (and maybe more so) as bearing a child..
And has even less enthusiasism for the males in mormonism..
Where’s the Go Ye message ???
As in “Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature”..Mark 16:15
The Go Ye commandment is Christianity...Told by Jesus to His followers...
This is a different Jesus...a different religion...
This crowd do not follow Jesus...
They follow some old dead white guy who called himself “the prophet”
Mormonism is kind of an Alien Nation religion...
Christianity is for “every creature” ... regardless of race or gender..
Oh, well...Never mind...
You can stop pinging me...
As I said: anyone can quote Scripture, and it seems they who quote it most are those most ill-equipped to deal with the reality.
You are preaching to the choir, and I’m not impressed. I need no Scripture to verify my belief and love in Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savoior.
If you’re looking for an audience, I would suggest you take some courses in theology. Learn all you can about the “bastard” church call “Mormonism.” It will never leave this earth, no matter what you or anyone else does, or says. We, as believers in Jesus Christ as our Saviour, are here to stay.
“His Life needs nothing but our Testimonies!”
Well, maybe that “other Jesus” of mormonism does...
But the Jesus of the Bible doesnt need “our testimonies” to bring Him to life...
He lives and is whether or not we believe and “testify” of Him...
Jesus is God...
He OWNS life...
Jesus doeant need anything from us...
We need Him..
He gives us LIFE...
Not the other way around..
Hi, Foxxy! No, not looking for a tongue-lashing, tonight. Just verifying my love for Jesus Christ, my Lord and Saviour.
But thanks for the reminder!
From Wiki....I always pictured Brubeck with hives when I heard that...scratching, scratching, reaching for places his arms wouldn't go to....
Then bear your testimony. (Just -- as you define your jesus -- please tell us if you distinguish your jesus from how the Mormon jesus is defined in post #23?)
IOW...is your jesus a savior AND a saved being?
...is your jesus one savior among many?
...is your jesus one god among many?
...is your jesus one who can be prayed to directly? (3 Nephi 19:6-26)
...is your jesus one who can receive worship from you "with all your might, mind, and strength, and your whole soul" (2 Nephi 25:29)???
...And if you adhere to 2 Nephi 25:29, how many gods do you worship whole-souled? Whole-strength? Whole-minde? Whole-might?
Thank you for the AWESOME lift!!!
You rock, Girl!
You are SO confused! I said it loud and clear and if you can’t understand it, then....ohwell....
You DID jump into the middle and if you knew as much as you think you and colofornian do, you’d give up while y’all are still ahead!
And I DO “get it.” All I can do is pray for y’all.
You're right. Mormons do confuse me. Some say they worship only one god. Others point to Mormon 7:7 and say they worship 3 gods. Bruce McConkie, an Lds apostle, said in 1966 version of Mormon Doctrine that they worship 2 gods and they worship 3 gods...(talk about confusing when an apostle can't even get that straight within the same published book!!!)
Then by 1982, McConkie was telling BYU students that "we" are to only worship ONE God -- 'cause D&C 20:19 says Mormons only worship one God.
So are you a one-god worshiper? (A D&C 20:19 Mormon?)
Or are you a two-god worshiper? (The verses I cited in post #23 which says to worship Jesus)
Or are you a three-god worshiper? (A Mormon 7:7 Mormon?)
Are you a direct prayer to the Father only Mormon? Or are you a 3 Nephi 19 Mormon?
(It's all so confusing to us mere Gentiles)
Goodnight all...this old lady is heading for the bedroom. Have a good one.
Get a life.
I’ve said what I’ve said, and I’m not going to argue about it.
You can spew doctrine and scriptures until the cows come home.
“I meant what I said, and I said what I meant. An elephant is faithful, 100%!”
Ok, now I have a question, and while I don't expect a straight forward answer, hope springs eternal.
You believe that the Father is god according Mormon doctrine, and while it is hard to really tell it appears he is god of this planet.(and we know from LDS doctrine each planet has its own.) You also say above Jesus the son is your god. With all the non trinity effort you guys put out, that has to mean, as it very readily appears to, that these are two distinct beings, presences and gods. Yet when we so called "antis" point put that Mormonism is Polytheistic we get either no answer or a "no we are not" with little follow through.
So who among those two is god when you guys tell us there is only one god you worship? Which of these two guys gets the short straw?
I know both the father and son are venerated and you go to great pains to let us know they are separate. So which of these is the one who is "not the god until we want him to be" the most when the LDS says there is only "one god". Is there some rotation schedule or what.
It is all very "confusing" when taken at face value, which of course would be the first mistake.
The CROSS (fyi) is a symbol of death,
Yes, and through His death, we now have life..
To Christians, the Cross signifies, the life, the hope we have in the Jesus of the Bible..
He died on the cross that we might live...
There is a message in the cross...a message of new beginnings...of salvation..of power...
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18
And no mention of the wonderful cross of our savior, Jesus Christ would be complete without a song about it...
The Old Rugged Cross...sung by Jim Nabors...
A song about the cross of Jesus..
as fresh and inspring today as it was when it was written 100 years ago...
Gospel music rocks! I love it all, and listen to Christian stations when I can.
Thanks, Nana, for the link!
BTW.. you claim you love Jesus...
Please tells us what you know of the way He thinks of you...
How does God feel towards you ???
I love songs about the cross ...
(Almost sounds like I might be more omnipresent than the Mormon god, who can only be in one place at one time!)