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Lutheran bishop warns about withholding donations
Associated Press ^ | September 23, 2009

Posted on 09/23/2009 2:12:10 PM PDT by george76

The presiding bishop of the nation's largest Lutheran denomination warned Wednesday that withholding financial support to protest a recent gay clergy vote would be "devastating" to the church.

Bishop Mark Hanson laid out his concerns in a letter to leaders of the 4.7 million-member Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, which is based in Chicago. The ELCA churchwide assembly voted last month to allow gays and lesbians in committed relationships to serve as clergy, dropping a requirement that gay clergy remain celibate.

The Rev. Mark Chavez, director of Lutheran CORE, said the gay clergy vote was the devastating event — "a departure from God's clear word." He called Hanson's letter "an attempt to shift the responsibility of this devastation and crisis within the ELCA away from the people who presided over it and are responsible for it."

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1 posted on 09/23/2009 2:12:10 PM PDT by george76
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To: sionnsar; Huber

Corrupt just like the Episcobaalians.


2 posted on 09/23/2009 2:13:17 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (So many Communists, so little time.)
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To: lightman

$$$.


3 posted on 09/23/2009 2:15:02 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: george76

I need to pray more.


4 posted on 09/23/2009 2:15:02 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Ez 38 Pray.)
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To: george76
The Lutherans clergy demanded to make a stand against the Bible. Now they are complaining about devestation. What is that about reaping what you sow? Maybe the homosexuals attending Lutheran services can make up the losses.
5 posted on 09/23/2009 2:15:25 PM PDT by Obadiah (Obama: Chains you can believe in!)
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To: george76

What’d they expect? I’ve left the ELCA entirely and begun attending a Missouri Synod church. My money will go there from now on, too.


6 posted on 09/23/2009 2:15:37 PM PDT by jyoders19
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To: george76

The Lutheran Church has preached about consequences since its inception.

Are they now attempting to duck the consequences of the wrongheaded decision they made?


7 posted on 09/23/2009 2:15:42 PM PDT by relictele
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To: george76

These Churches need to fold up anyway- donations or not. Each Church makes up its own pliable doctrine as they go along. The curse of the Reformation that sprung these toxic mushrooms.


8 posted on 09/23/2009 2:15:42 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: AliVeritas; SeekAndFind

By their fruits shall ye know them...


9 posted on 09/23/2009 2:16:33 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

I guess they should have thought of that beforehand....


10 posted on 09/23/2009 2:17:08 PM PDT by babygene
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To: Obadiah
. . . warned . . . that withholding financial support to protest a recent gay clergy vote would be "devastating" to the church.

I think that's the idea.

If you want to serve Satan rather than God, don't do your fundraising from God's people.

11 posted on 09/23/2009 2:17:34 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: george76

Gay clergy is what is devastating to the church.


12 posted on 09/23/2009 2:18:13 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: Obadiah; LucyT

The militant gay community is not interested in serving God.

Destroying Christianity is the real agenda.


13 posted on 09/23/2009 2:18:52 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
By their fruits shall ye know them...

That's a good one...

14 posted on 09/23/2009 2:19:44 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: george76

Too bad you perverts!!!!!


15 posted on 09/23/2009 2:19:51 PM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: Steelfish
The curse of the Reformation

Maybe if the Catholic church hadn't been selling 'indulgences' and running whorehouses there would have been no need for any Reformation.

Just a thought.

16 posted on 09/23/2009 2:19:51 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: george76
The presiding bishop of the nation's largest Lutheran denomination warned Wednesday that withholding financial support to protest a recent gay clergy vote would be "devastating" to the church.

Oh, something is "devastating" allright ... but it isn't the withholding of financial support.

17 posted on 09/23/2009 2:20:22 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: george76

...the gay clergy vote was the devastating event ...

Bingo!! Why wouldn’t people withhold their money? Go talk to the idiot Presiding Bishop and her minions over at what used to be the Episcopal church and see how that’s working out for them.


18 posted on 09/23/2009 2:20:27 PM PDT by greatplains
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To: george76

Gee,my son-in-law, an ELCA “missionary”, will have to start looking for another cushy job.


19 posted on 09/23/2009 2:21:42 PM PDT by Palladin (ACORN is a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Zhang Fei

8-)


20 posted on 09/23/2009 2:21:48 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Charles Henrickson

Well, if it ain’t a real church (and it ain’t!), I wouldn’t give it money anyways.

I see the master of the vineyard coming to do a little pruning.


21 posted on 09/23/2009 2:23:23 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (FreepMail me if you want on the Bourbon ping list!)
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To: george76

No, it was the bishops’ decision that devastated ELCA. This is jut the logical result of their decision. It was their choice to cease acting as shepherds of their flock and instead to become wolves preying upon the flock.

Recall the words of St. Peter from Milton’s “Lycidas”:

“How well could I have spared for thee, young swain,
Enow of such as for their bellies’ sake
Creep, and intrude, and climb into the fold!
Of other care they little reckoning make
Than how to scramble at the shearers’ feast,
And shove away the worthy bidden guest.
Blind mouths! that scarce themselves know how to hold
A sheep-hook, or have learned aught else the least
That to the faithful herdman’s art belongs!
What recks it them? What need they? They are sped;
And when they list, their lean and flashy songs
Grate on their scrannel pipes of wretched straw;
The hungry sheep look up, and are not fed,
But swoll’n with wind, and the rank mist they draw,
Rot inwardly, and foul contagion spread;
Besides what the grim wolf with privy paw
Daily devours apace, and nothing said;
But that two-handed engine at the door
Stands ready to smite once, and smite no more.”


22 posted on 09/23/2009 2:23:38 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Lurker

BIG +1.


23 posted on 09/23/2009 2:24:00 PM PDT by guido911 (Islamic terrorists are members of the "ROP", the "religion of pu*&ies")
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To: george76

They’ve put greed above God, but they don’t want to be held accountable.


24 posted on 09/23/2009 2:26:32 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: george76

Ah, no. Actually, the Churdh allowing gay clergy is what will hurt the Lutheran Church. Look what it has done tom the Episcopal Church!


25 posted on 09/23/2009 2:26:43 PM PDT by Paperdoll (Duncan L. Hunter, Where are you?)
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To: jyoders19

Thumbs up. The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod is a REAL church.


26 posted on 09/23/2009 2:27:07 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: george76; Iowan
Lutheran bishop warns about withholding donations

Destroying Christianity is the real agenda.

Thanks, George. ~ Pinging Iowan.

27 posted on 09/23/2009 2:27:09 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: george76

Let’s see.

They take and sustain what they know will be a controversial vote and one which the positions, pro and and con, are not simply different but very strongly so.

So on what basis can they now complain that some are, even faithfully, moved to withdraw and/or withhold their financial support for the institution, because of that vote?

None.

The only possible type of decision in a truly Christian faith based entity is a decision by consensus, not “majority vote”. Only in a consensus, in a faith community, do opponents find their differences and their compromises minimal enough, and not foundational enough to prevent a consensus view. There was no consensus view possible, on this issue, among the ELCA, so a majority told a minority their concerns would simply be over-ridden.

The method employed - “majority vote”, regardless of people’s arguments and beliefs, often supplies the means for permanent divisions in faith-based communities, particularly among protestant Christians who believe they are, as individuals, called to their faith by God, not by “the Church”.


28 posted on 09/23/2009 2:28:43 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: george76

The Lutheran hierarchy that makes these insane, umbilical decisions to pacify a tiny minority (gays) that love to see Christian churches implode while they pretend to be believers humbly seeking ‘equality’, now whine about the church’s work on the ground being harmed if irate Lutheran’s decide to give their money committed to God, elsewhere? Talk about irony!


29 posted on 09/23/2009 2:29:02 PM PDT by Jim Scott (Obama LIES!)
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To: george76
church leaders don't learn in seminary that people in the pews have no way of voting except with their presence and their giving.
30 posted on 09/23/2009 2:29:04 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Lurker
“The curse of the Reformation
Maybe if the Catholic church hadn't been selling ‘indulgences’ and running whorehouses there would have been no need for any Reformation.

Just a thought.”

It was Luther's original intent to get the Catholic Church to reform itself. It was thought expedient to just get rid of Luther at the time.

So who is to blame, The Chicken or the egg?
Probably just mans sin nature once again.

31 posted on 09/23/2009 2:30:40 PM PDT by Colvin (Harry Reid is a sap sucking idiot.)
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To: george76

Donations are the least of your worries Bishop Mark.!!


32 posted on 09/23/2009 2:31:18 PM PDT by timetostand
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To: george76
withholding financial support to protest a recent gay clergy vote would be "devastating" to the church.

I think Homer Simpson must have a higher IQ than Bishop Mark Hanson. Guess he forgot about the law of unintended consequences.

33 posted on 09/23/2009 2:31:21 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: george76

Could it be that the far left National Council of Churches is adding another denomination to it’s one world church? Not a dime of mine goes to the NCOC.


34 posted on 09/23/2009 2:32:14 PM PDT by Paperdoll (Duncan L. Hunter, Where are you?)
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To: LucyT

Many thanks for the update, LucyT.

Ping.


35 posted on 09/23/2009 2:32:36 PM PDT by Iowan
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To: rabscuttle385

Come join us post-Episcopalians and join the Anglican Church of North America.


36 posted on 09/23/2009 2:33:25 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Sprit of '76)
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To: george76

Nope, Your Lowness, what is devastating to your Church is your vote to allow faggots and rugmunchers to be ordained.


37 posted on 09/23/2009 2:34:57 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: george76
Most reports from the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) assembly today attempt to tie together the denomination's vote to adopt a sexuality statement and the tornado strike on the Minneapolis Convention Center where the Lutherans were meeting. (No one was injured.) "We trust that the weather is not a commentary on our work," said Steven Loy, chairman of the committee overseeing the statement. (He was quoted by The Washington Times and Associated Press.)

But WordAlone, a renewal group within the ELCA, reported that both sides sought to find commentary in the weather: "A supporter of the social statement typified the storm as a mighty wind of the Holy Spirit and as a positive message. Some WordAlone Network members heard a different message, a warning of God's anger at the ELCA in the wind."

ELCA Assembly: Was God in Either Whirlwind(Tornado)?

38 posted on 09/23/2009 2:35:38 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (nothing is normal anymore)
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To: george76

Witholding donations will get their attention fast.

They can either straighten up and fly right or close the doors and their homos can go find another Church to destroy.


39 posted on 09/23/2009 2:36:01 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: george76

I have told me reletives in the ELCA, don’t wait, get out NOW! They are a corrupt organization who work for the devil now.


40 posted on 09/23/2009 2:36:07 PM PDT by vpintheak (4-times an extremist)
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To: george76

Absolutely no one is obligated to finance corrupt people or corrupt organizations. Eventually such coersion will result in a revolt, rightly and naturally.


41 posted on 09/23/2009 2:41:50 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: george76

Wow. What a stark contrast in priorities.


42 posted on 09/23/2009 2:51:53 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." --Orwell)
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To: george76
Since the ELCA wishes to honor perverts who in their right mind would fund this blasphemous organization?

Christianity, in America at least, is going to satan. Examining a list of ACORN supporters just yesterday I found many Catholic parishes and 'action' groups listed.

43 posted on 09/23/2009 2:55:19 PM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholic voters were true to their faith there would be no abortion and no President Obama.)
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To: george76

Why did he totally ignore the devastation caused to his church by the “vote” about gay clergy, in the first place?

You guys as Lutheran christians know that there are consequences to your actions, some good, some bad. If you weren’t willing to take negative consequences because you ‘did what you thought was right for God’ then you maybe shouldn’t have done it.

And in the grand scheme of things, less money coming into your denomination is far less concerning than the fact your church just voted to institutionalize and celebrate such basic perversion and heresy.


44 posted on 09/23/2009 3:01:58 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: jyoders19

“What’d they expect? I’ve left the ELCA entirely and begun attending a Missouri Synod church. My money will go there from now on, too.”

Welcome to the Missouri Synod Lutheran Church. I have been a member all of my life. There has never been even a hint of the kinds of nonsense the ELCA has been pushing, and I really don’t think we will ever go through it.


45 posted on 09/23/2009 3:07:24 PM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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To: george76

My money goes to support the work of God and of Jesus Christ. ELCA has decided it no longer wants to be a part of that work, so they need to find a new donor base to replace the Christians who will give elsewhere. Why is that a surprise or a problem to them?


46 posted on 09/23/2009 3:12:48 PM PDT by TurtleUp ([...Insert today's quote from Community-Organizer-in-Chief...] - Obama, YOU LIE!)
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To: george76

Since it’s NOT a church anymore, why throw good $$ after bad?


47 posted on 09/23/2009 3:17:45 PM PDT by Waco (OK Libs, stop emiting)
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To: george76

They spat in the face of God even after He gave them a direct warning, and now they’re wondering why they’re not getting any money? (Clue: their troubles are only just beginning, God will not be mocked.)


49 posted on 09/23/2009 3:23:49 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: aberaussie; Aeronaut; aliquando; AlternateViewpoint; AnalogReigns; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...


Lutheran (EL C S*A) Ping!

* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.

50 posted on 09/23/2009 3:42:35 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini.)
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