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Hundreds leave pioneering Fla. megachurch
Associated Press ^ | Thu Oct 1, 4:45 pm ET | MATT SEDENSKY

Posted on 10/01/2009 9:30:54 PM PDT by Tai_Chung

MIAMI – Hundreds of congregants have left a pioneering megachurch in Florida to form their own congregation because they were unhappy with leadership at the church that's seen as a bedrock of the religious right. The action by the unhappy members at Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church was the culmination of a feud between loyalists to an evangelical luminary, the Rev. D. James Kennedy, and his replacement as pastor, the Rev. Tullian Tchividjian, a grandson of the Rev. Billy Graham.

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KEYWORDS: coralridge; kennedy; megachurch; tchividjian
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Anybody know why they are so upset with Rev. Tullian Tchividjian?
1 posted on 10/01/2009 9:30:55 PM PDT by Tai_Chung
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To: Tai_Chung

another day, another protestant non-denomination.


2 posted on 10/01/2009 9:31:39 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Isn't the Golden Mean the secret to something," I parried? "Yes," Blue replied. "Mediocrity.")
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To: Tai_Chung
I think he is younger and more evangelical. The church is more mainline Presbyterian.
3 posted on 10/01/2009 9:33:56 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: Tai_Chung
well at least they are not breaking up because of the new carpet or the new hymnals! /s
4 posted on 10/01/2009 9:36:07 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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To: Tai_Chung
Read the entire article on link.

You will find the most telling in the last two paragraphs.

5 posted on 10/01/2009 9:38:03 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: the invisib1e hand

church splitting is inter mural sports in evangelical circles


6 posted on 10/01/2009 9:40:26 PM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: Tai_Chung

they can’t pronounce his name and, embarrassed, would rather leave than learn?


7 posted on 10/01/2009 9:43:19 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The President has borrowed more money to spend to less effect than anybody on the planet. " Steyn)
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To: DariusBane

The Roman Catholic church has has split tons of times. Some of the biggest splits involved Eastern Orthodox, Western Orthodox, and Lutherans.

Just ‘cause you keep the name “Roman Catholic” doesn’t mean you didn’t split! Coral Ridge is keeping the name “Coral Ridge,” too.


8 posted on 10/01/2009 9:45:21 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: Tai_Chung

According to the article, spiky hair, a tan and sometimes a scruffy beard.

Kennedy was robed, starched and pedantic.

IOW, Tullian is what Billy would have been today, if he were a late 20’s evangelist on the scene, a la 1949.


9 posted on 10/01/2009 9:49:59 PM PDT by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: Tai_Chung

Well I miss Dr. D. James Kennedy’s messages. He was great at connecting the current issues and problems of modern society to Biblical references and his knowledge of history was excellent too.


10 posted on 10/01/2009 9:53:12 PM PDT by tflabo
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To: Marie2

The tendency toward schism in the Church goes back to apostolic times. Still we can claims to have a continuous organization link to those times. But the splits in the Protestant churches are continuous.


11 posted on 10/01/2009 10:07:24 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE HOMO!)
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To: RobbyS

“The tendency toward schism in the Church goes back to apostolic times. Still we can claims to have a continuous organization link to those times. But the splits in the Protestant churches are continuous.”

I understand that that is your perspective, and I mean no insult. However, be aware that protestants believe that, to one degree or another, the RC church abandoned biblical teachings and so the Protestants are the one continuous church, the remnant, if you will.

I don’t mean to start an argument over this doctrine or that in this thread; merely to point out that there is another perspective on schism.

Certainly schism does go back to apostolic times. The church was already dividing before the epistles were written, what did Paul say, some were saying “I am of Paul” and “I am of Apollos” and “I am of Jesus?” The tone of his letter seems to display some measure of disgust, something like, “I thank God I baptized none of you!”

(goes off to get Concordance and Bible)

Oh well, you inspired me to get out my Bible, always a good thing, so here it is:

“For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius. . .”

1 Co 1:11-14


12 posted on 10/01/2009 10:36:09 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: Marie2

I am simply pointing out that the Catholic church has maintained organizational integrity well enough to claim, for instance, allegiance to a line of popes extending to the First Century. The Reformers never agreed exactly what the true alternative to Catholicism, except that there ought to be one. The result has been an endemic sectarianism. Roman Catholicism has never been as unified as it sometimes pretended, but the organization integrity has been preserved.


13 posted on 10/01/2009 10:57:11 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE HOMO!)
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To: RobbyS

“the Catholic church has maintained organizational integrity well enough to claim, for instance, allegiance to a line of popes extending to the First Century.”

True, agreed.

“The Reformers never agreed exactly what the true alternative to Catholicism (should be), except that there ought to be one.”

I think that would depend on who you consider to be “The Reformers.”

I believe that the one true church consists of every true believer in Jesus. Ultimately of course only God knows who we are. He warns us that there are wolves in sheep’s clothing out there. So, we are supposed to listen to His voice (My sheep know my voice, etc.)

The Protestants would largely argue that His voice is being or has been ignored in certain areas within the RC church. The RCs of course point out their continuity.

I don’t think a division at Coral Ridge should be rejoiced over. I could sort of understand if several hundred left to join the RC church, because you view yourselves as the one true church. But Coral Ridge and the RC church have very similar values, particularly on issues of the day, despite some essential doctrinal differences.


14 posted on 10/01/2009 11:06:11 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: RobbyS

I should stop myself, though, we probably all know the doctrinal differences between RCs and Protestants, and I didn’t mean to hijack the thread in order to debate them.


15 posted on 10/01/2009 11:10:05 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: Marie2

The chief breach of the reformation came with the abandonment of the mass, or the Eucharist, and the denial of the authority of the priesthood to teach true doctrine. The Orthodox churches haven’t done this. only have broken with Rome on jurisdiction. Few Catholics doubt that many in the evangelical churches are true Christians. In deed, Catholics have left the Church because they feel that many priests, inspired by false notions of the “Spirit of Vatican II, have begun teaching a false version of the faith. But the doctrinal fluidity of the megachurches and their dependence on charismatic personalities, seems to me a grave weakness. Look what happened after Luther’s death. Look at what happens after Dr. Kennedy’s death. A very great preacher, BTW.


16 posted on 10/01/2009 11:20:41 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE HOMO!)
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To: Tai_Chung

I’d bet it’s the music. DJK maintained strong adherence to the old hymns that Proestants have sung for centuries, mixing in a few new hymns every decade. Rick Warren et al have thrown out everything not deriving from the entertainment industry. It has de-democratized the performance of music in church from “please everyone, come out and join the choir, there’s a place for you,” to a select few with rock background, while everyone else stand at their seats until the old folks’ backs hurt.


17 posted on 10/02/2009 2:47:51 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Tai_Chung
I have been in the ministry for a very long time and have seen this situation time and time again.

It is always VERY difficult to come in and replace a pastor/teacher (successful or not) who has been at the same church for a very long time where the position has become open because they finally died or because they retired from old age. The problem is often this: congregants either turn on the new replacement pastor:

1) Because they expect him to BE the former pastor! When he fails to live up to their expectations to BE the former pastor they either rebel and split the church or they find an excuse to kick him out the door: "We weren't being fed", "he was not as good a preacher as our beloved former pastor", etc...

2) Another reason this happens is this: by the time the old pastor retired after "hanging on" to his position for years and years (for any number of reasons) his ministry had become stale and unchallenging. The congregation is used to sitting back, putting their feet up on the pew in front of them and not being convicted or challenged to faithfully undertake the ministries God has for them. This has gone on for Y E A R S. Then the new, young, enthusiastic, gung-ho, "Let's ALL get involved and get things done for Jesus" replacement pastor comes in and the congregation is challenged and faithfully preached to on a weekly basis. As a result, many of these "comfortable, complacent 'Christians;" are convicted and challenged to repent, arise from their sleep and to move forward in their faith. Instead of responding to the tug of God's Holy Spirit working through their new minister, they FIRE HIM so that they can pull up the covers, roll over and go back to sleep.

I always advise my seminary and undergraduate students to beware of taking a position where they are replacing a minister who has been at the same church for a very long time and who has finally retired or stayed at the same location until he died. While not impossible to successfully follow and take up the mantle in such a situation (with God all things are possible), the odds are often against the replacement pastor having a successful ministry there and it usually ends badly. Sadly these churches often go through/chew up two or three fine, dedicated evangelical pastors before they finally get to the place where enough time has lapsed between the departure of their former beloved pastor and the "new guy" where they will finally accept the pastor who fills the position.

I hope the above helps to put things into perspective

18 posted on 10/02/2009 3:39:32 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Thank you)
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To: Tai_Chung
Not preaching politics, partly.

By me (as one who holds to a somewhat nonstandard politics ("pessimist with libertarian sympathies") who grits his teeth and shuts up when it comes up at church) that's a good thing.

19 posted on 10/02/2009 5:43:24 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("How can there be peace when the sorceries and whordoms of your mother TBN are so many?")
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To: Marie2

You wrote:

“The Roman Catholic church has has split tons of times.”

The Catholic Church has never once split nor is such a thing possible. People have left the Catholci Church and formed their own churches or bishops have left the obedience of the Catholic Church, but the Catholic Church has never once split.

“Some of the biggest splits involved Eastern Orthodox, Western Orthodox, and Lutherans.”

The Eastern Orthodox LEFT the Catholic Church. The Catholic Chruch did not split. The Western Orthodox - so-called - never existed until the 19th or 20th century and are former Protestants by and large who became Eatern Orthodox buy use Western liturgies. Lutherans left the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church did not split.

“Just ‘cause you keep the name “Roman Catholic” doesn’t mean you didn’t split!”

We don’t even have the name “Roman Catholic”. That was a term invented by Protestants in the 16th century to rationalize their leaving the Catholic Church. If you don’t believe me, look it up in the full edition of the Oxford English Dictionary.

“Coral Ridge is keeping the name “Coral Ridge,” too.”

Yep, and which denomination now will be the real Coral Ridge sect? After all, the one keeping the name, will not be the one teaching like the Coral Ridge of just a few years ago!!!


20 posted on 10/02/2009 6:27:52 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Marie2

You wrote:

“I understand that that is your perspective, and I mean no insult. However, be aware that protestants believe that, to one degree or another, the RC church abandoned biblical teachings and so the Protestants are the one continuous church, the remnant, if you will.”

This is not a matter of perspective but of logic and common sense. Where were the Protestants in the 12th century? The 9th? The 14th? The 3rd? They never existed until 1517. Period. Even most Protestants who know anything about history are willing to admit that. That means - logically - that Protestants are not a continuous church, but a novel sect. They can not be a remnant.


21 posted on 10/02/2009 6:32:38 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: the invisib1e hand
another day, another protestant non-denomination.

Coral Ridge is a member of the Presbyterian Church in America [PCA, not PCUSA]. They are not non-denominational.

...Dr. Kennedy's position was that it was not his place to choose his successor. His position was consistent with Presbyterianism, which sets forth the pastoral succession process in a denominational document called the Book of Church Order. In brief, the congregation elects a "pulpit committee," which then conducts a search for a candidate, then nominates that person to the congregation. Accordingly, Kennedy "did not 'train up' anyone," Siegenthaler said. "He did not anoint anyone. He did not even point out someone he thought would be suitable"....

....No such battle occurred at Coral Ridge Presbyterian. When the church clerk emerged to report the congregation's March 15 vote on pastoral candidate Tullian Tchividjian, a whopping 91 percent had voted yes.

Related threads:
What I Owe Dr. D. James Kennedy (1930–2007)
Billy Graham grandson to lead famed megachurch [D. James Kennedy's Coral Ridge Presbyterian]
Passing the baton [Coral Ridge Presbyterian, Focus on the Family, and Hour of Power]
Goodbye to American Christendom? [Dr. D. James Kennedy obituary or a hit piece?]
The Legacy of Dr. D. James Kennedy - "Excellence in All Things and All Things to God's Glory"
D. James Kennedy a man of great faith
Dobson Extends Prayers to D. James Kennedy and Family
Rev. D. James Kennedy Suffers Heart Attack
22 posted on 10/02/2009 6:55:59 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (...We never faced anything like this...we only fought humans.)
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To: Jmouse007

I think the 1st has a 3rd, more basic component to it.

When a pastor has been at a church a long time, the people left in the church are those who like him, and those who have been drawn to the church who like him. Over time, those who belonged to the church because of the church, rather than the pastor, die of old age or move away.

Anyway, a new pastor comes in, and immediately some of people won’t like him. And those who join churches because of the pastor, and don’t like the new pastor, will obviously leave the church, to find another church with a pastor they like.

Over time, the new pastor, if he is called by God, will draw in new members who like HIM, some of whom may not have joined the church before because they didn’t like the previous pastor.

Churches that change pastors on a regular basis suffer a lot less from this, first because the people who belong to such churches tend to be those who are drawn by church doctrine or congregational relationships more than the teaching/preaching style, and second because no pastor is there long enough to draw a lot of people into the church simply because they like the pastor.

The situation is worse with megachurches, simply because oftentimes the EXISTANCE of a magachurch is due to the pastor, it’s why they grew so large.

I say that because, in the absense of people who just want to be with THAT PASTOR, churches are much more inviting, and do a much better job serving God and Man, if they split and plant when they get to the 500-1000 member range (some say much smaller than that is even better).

By “church planting” using offshoots, God’s work can more readily spread through a community. CHurches spring up locally all around, and each one can offer slightly different emphasis, giving more of the faithful choices that interest them for service.

The most common reason for a church to STOP spawning off sister churches is when you get a pastor that is the focus of the church, so that nobody WANTS to leave to form the sister church.


23 posted on 10/02/2009 6:57:47 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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The new congregation met for its first service last Sunday, and organizers said more than 450 people attended. The people who formed the new congregation had lost a Sept. 20 vote to fire Tchividjian. Organizers of the still unnamed church said nearly all of their attendees had been among Coral Ridge's roughly 2,000 members.

Coral Ridge said it's not worried about maintaining its membership after the departures. About 200 people enrolled in a class for new members after Tchividjian took over in March.

Still, the move is a dramatic split. Kennedy's daughter, Jennifer Kennedy Cassidy, joined many longtime Coral Ridge members, including church elders, the organist, choir director and hundreds of choir members, in deserting the congregation they helped build.

Former Coral Ridge elder Jim Filosa joined the new church. He and his wife were disciplined by Coral Ridge for taking part in a campaign to remove Tchividjian....

....The feud at Coral Ridge appears mostly to be a matter of style, not substance.

Under the leadership of Kennedy, who died in 2007, the church was a forerunner to modern evangelical megachurches, a fiercely conservative voice on social issues including homosexuality and abortion, and a powerful political voice.

Tchividjian, 37, took over earlier this year. While he has shown no sign of theological differences with Kennedy, he has rejected politics as the most important force for change, and his sermons have not focused on divisive issues.

24 posted on 10/02/2009 7:02:58 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (...We never faced anything like this...we only fought humans.)
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To: Alex Murphy
....No such battle occurred at Coral Ridge Presbyterian. When the church clerk emerged to report the congregation's March 15 vote on pastoral candidate Tullian Tchividjian, a whopping 91 percent had voted yes.

Most pastoral call votes I've witnessed (both in P & R circles and "mutt evangelicalism") have been unanimous, or very close to it. There was also the issue of merging with Rev. Tchividjian's church, which is unusual. I note that the vote to retain came in at a lesser percentage.

Sounds like a mess.

25 posted on 10/02/2009 7:06:32 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("What is your only comfort, in life and death?" "That I an not my own, but belong, body and soul...")
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To: Alex Murphy
Coral Ridge is a member of the Presbyterian Church in America [PCA, not PCUSA]. They are not non-denominational.

Thanks for clarifying. Kennedy seemed like straight shooter the last time I saw him on TV, almost 20 years ago.

While it may not (or may) apply in this case, one can easily remove the wordplay and arrive at, essentially, the very same result: another day, another protestant [non-]denomination.

26 posted on 10/02/2009 7:51:25 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Isn't the Golden Mean the secret to something," I parried? "Yes," Blue replied. "Mediocrity.")
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Excellent additions to my observations. Thanks for taking the time to put them into writing.


27 posted on 10/02/2009 8:00:28 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Thank you)
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To: norge
spiky hair, tan skin, and sometimes a scruffy beard...Tullian is what Billy would have been today, if he were a late 20’s evangelist on the scene, a la 1949.

Quite a slam at old Billy Graham!

28 posted on 10/02/2009 8:51:48 AM PDT by iowamark (certified by Michael Steele as "ugly and incendiary")
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To: Lee N. Field
Sounds like a mess.

Tullian Tchividjian wrote an op-ed for the local paper about the mess here, and the Christian Post has a news story pre-vote here. The Post's coverage says this about the reasons for the vote:

So far, those opposed to Tchividjian’s leadership have listed a number of reasons for the removal of their new senior pastor, including his alleged failure to present the Gospel clearly, his failure to raise awareness on current issues, and the replacement of CRPC staff with “less qualified staff members who are, however, ‘loyal’ to the new administration.”
And Tchividjian's op-ed offered this elaboration:
You may have read, in this paper or elsewhere, six members of our church recently circulated unsolicited letters and a petition voicing their opposition to my leadership and requesting a congregational meeting to vote on whether to keep me as their pastor. Citing things like my desire not to wear a robe when I preach, not honoring the legacy and preferences of Dr. Kennedy to the degree that I should, making personnel changes (bringing in my staff from New City), and not preaching political sermons, these six members have been working to remove me as pastor.
The lack of vestments IMO is the key issue. It is symptomatic of all of the breaks made with Kennedy's legacy. Tullian Tchividjian's former pastorate with New City Presbyterian was affiliated with the Evangelical Presbyterian Church denomination, but Tchividjian himself would have deeper theological underpinnings as the grandson of Billy Graham anf the son of his oldest daughter. I'm surprised that the Coral Ridge membership didn't see the warning signs when they voted him in.
29 posted on 10/02/2009 8:54:19 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (...We never faced anything like this...we only fought humans.)
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To: iowamark

Why is that a slam? BG was pretty hip in those days. He was appealing to young people through Youth For Christ and carried the trappings of youth...just as Tullian is today.


30 posted on 10/02/2009 9:01:40 AM PDT by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: iowamark

Oh, and he would never have worn a robe for preaching.


31 posted on 10/02/2009 9:07:02 AM PDT by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
While it may not (or may) apply in this case, one can easily remove the wordplay and arrive at, essentially, the very same result: another day, another protestant [non-]denomination.

Another congregation, yes, but not neccesarely another denomination.

Both Coral Ridge and New City Presbyterian (the church that Tchividjian started and came from) are associated with existing denominations (PCA and EPC respectively). My guess is that the members splitting from Coral Ridge will attempt to (re)align themselves with the PCA. Their dispute isn't with the denomination, rather they probably think the (new direction of) the local congregation isn't in line with the PCA's values.

They'd go EPC or some other Presbyterian/Reformed denomination before they'd go independent/non-denom.

32 posted on 10/02/2009 9:35:41 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (...We never faced anything like this...we only fought humans.)
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To: Alex Murphy
I appreciate the distinction.

How do you guys keep all those three-letter acronyms straight?

33 posted on 10/02/2009 9:40:48 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Isn't the Golden Mean the secret to something," I parried? "Yes," Blue replied. "Mediocrity.")
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To: vladimir998

“Where were the Protestants in the 12th century? The 9th? The 14th? The 3rd? They never existed until 1517”

They were in the RC church.


34 posted on 10/02/2009 9:53:35 AM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: Tai_Chung

I LOVED Dr. James Kennedy!! I am a staunch Catholic and I LOVED him almost as much as I love Pope Benedict!


35 posted on 10/02/2009 9:54:10 AM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: vladimir998

You say when the Lutherans left the RC church, the RC church didn’t split.

But when the 400 presbyterians left Coral Ridge, the Coral Ridge church did split.

You can’t have it both ways.


36 posted on 10/02/2009 9:54:53 AM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: norge

Billy Graham didn’t wear a leather jacket and ducktail his hair. He was against such fads.


37 posted on 10/02/2009 9:56:42 AM PDT by iowamark (certified by Michael Steele as "ugly and incendiary")
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To: Marie2

You wrote:

“They were in the RC church.”

Nope. They didn’t exist.


38 posted on 10/02/2009 10:37:31 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Marie2

You wrote:

“You say when the Lutherans left the RC church, the RC church didn’t split.”

Exactly. Lutherans left and the Church was still the Church.

“But when the 400 presbyterians left Coral Ridge, the Coral Ridge church did split.”

That’s what you say. I never said that. I said this: “Yep, and which denomination now will be the real Coral Ridge sect? After all, the one keeping the name, will not be the one teaching like the Coral Ridge of just a few years ago!!!”

“You can’t have it both ways.”

I’m not even trying that. Maybe you should read more carefully? Where did I say that Coral Ridge was splitting? You show me. Can you?


39 posted on 10/02/2009 10:44:04 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998; Marie2
I never said that. I said this: “Yep, and which denomination now will be the real Coral Ridge sect? After all, the one keeping the name, will not be the one teaching like the Coral Ridge of just a few years ago!!!”....Maybe you should read more carefully?

Catholic apologetics sure are funny! How is your reading for comprehension, vlad?

Another congregation, yes, but not neccesarely another denomination.

40 posted on 10/02/2009 10:59:47 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (...We never faced anything like this...we only fought humans.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
How do you guys keep all those three-letter acronyms straight?

With a scorecard.

Capiche?

41 posted on 10/02/2009 11:01:37 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("What is your only comfort, in life and death?" "That I an not my own, but belong, body and soul...")
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To: Lee N. Field
not really.

I'll bet if you (were it possible to) did one for all the Protestants since Luther, it would look something like that flow chart of Citi's global risk-management scheme I saw a coupla years ago.

The one that had 250,000 variables and took a month to load.

42 posted on 10/02/2009 11:05:01 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Isn't the Golden Mean the secret to something," I parried? "Yes," Blue replied. "Mediocrity.")
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To: Lee N. Field

Wow, that makes Obamacare look simple. ;-)


43 posted on 10/02/2009 11:10:04 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest
Wow, that makes Obamacare look simple. ;-)

Naaaah, not really. It's history. The real players to watch are those you see on the right hand edge. The mainline PCUSA, and the two more orthodox spinoffs from the mainline, the PCA and EPC.

The other current bodies are much smaller. See the first link, to NAPARC.

44 posted on 10/02/2009 11:19:54 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("What is your only comfort, in life and death?" "That I an not my own, but belong, body and soul...")
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To: iowamark

“ducktail his hair”???

Pretty close if you look at pictures of him in those days. Not a complete ducktail, but close nonetheless. But he was a little before that time. He wore pretty contemporary stuff, and like today, there were many in religious circles, especially after 1955, who denigrated him for his “inclusiveness”.

Spiked hair, tanned and a scruffy beard is pretty moderate compared to today’s youthful dress. I doubt Tullian looks anything like Jim Bakker’s boy.


45 posted on 10/02/2009 2:16:14 PM PDT by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: iowamark

Oh, and by the way, where did you get the idea he was against such fads, anyway?


46 posted on 10/02/2009 2:18:19 PM PDT by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: vladimir998

You believe your church maintains a connection to the Church fathers though polity. Others believe their church maintains that connection through faith.


47 posted on 10/02/2009 2:26:27 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Tai_Chung
Anybody know why they are so upset with Rev. Tullian Tchividjian?

Prolly because you get sprayed with spit whenever somebody tries to say his name.

48 posted on 10/02/2009 2:36:14 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Lee N. Field

Ha! We have that map at our church, also :>)


49 posted on 10/02/2009 3:25:00 PM PDT by irishtenor (Beer. God's way of making sure the Irish don't take over the world.)
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To: Tai_Chung

Anybody know why they are so upset with Rev. Tullian Tchividjian?


“Tchividjian, 37, took over earlier this year. While he has shown no sign of theological differences with Kennedy, he has rejected politics as the most important force for change, and his sermons have not focused on divisive issues. Meantime, he cuts a far different image, forgoing the type of choir robe Kennedy wore during services, and sporting spiky hair, tan skin, and sometimes a scruffy beard.”

Rejected politics
not focused on divisive issuse
far different image (Kennedy wore choir robe during services)


50 posted on 10/02/2009 3:29:32 PM PDT by Brookhaven (http://theconservativehand.blogspot.com/)
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