Posted on 10/03/2009 4:08:45 PM PDT by Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
A treasure trove of 4.4-million-year-old fossils from the Ethiopian desert is dramatically overturning widely held ideas about the early evolution of humans and how they came to walk upright, even as it paints a remarkably detailed picture of early life in Africa, researchers reported Thursday. The centerpiece of the diverse collection of primate, animal and plant fossils is the near-complete skeleton of a human ancestor that demonstrates our earliest forebears looked nothing like a chimpanzee or other large primate, as is now commonly believed. Instead, the findings suggest that the last common ancestor of humans and primates, which existed nearly 2 million years earlier, was a primitive creature that shared few traits with modern-day members of either group. The findings, analyzed in a large group of studies published Thursday in the journal Science, also indicate that our ancestors began walking upright in woodlands, not on grassy savannas as prior generations of researchers had speculated.
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Monbkeys evolved from man??!!
Is this supposed to be an improvement?? Geesh....
I know it was DUmmies who mated with DUmmies until they became a different species and were named apes
I guess it’s time to upgrade my Firefox. I’m at 3.0.6 and it crashes when I try to follow this link to the slimes website. (Reading it now with IE)
Frankly, I don’t find it impossible that apes and monkeys mutated from man. I have never ever believed that man evolved from primates.
But there are many individuals with the thinking process of primates. And I can certainly believe that some liberals could be responsible for such mutation to greater and lesser apes.
Yep, there’s ONE of them! ROFL!
Different forms of socialism became different apes. lol.
Kossies stayed away from DUmmies. DUmmies became the Chimpanzees?
Thanks....so much better than the Helen Thomas picture that I was bracing myself for when I clicked on the thread link
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2009-10/49595039.jpg
Looks like the current 1st lady - and I use lady lightly
The fossils described in the new studies were found 15 years ago in the Afar Triangle of Ethiopia by a team led by paleoanthropologist Tim White of UC Berkeley. But White and his team have been relatively closemouthed about the fossils, and other researchers -- some of whom have accused him of hoarding the fossils for his own use -- have been eagerly awaiting more information.Hmmm... 15 years from discovery to release-to-the-public. Something akin to (not saying identical to) a chain-of-custody problem?
Did ole' Timmy boy withhold evidence for a decade and a half to allow him to massage the data a bit? Just wondering.
And I ask this question as one who believes the case for evolution is extremely strong, both in general and specifically with regard to humans. But I can't help but wonder in this instance...
Not monkeys but apes ~ this is actually straight from Mohamad’s musings on the matter ~ he said the apes arose among humans who were condemned by Allah.
He was removing the bone matter from the stone matrix. 15 years of work is not all that unusual ~ and besides, this was the ONLY full skeleton he had. There are spare parts from others in his collection.
He was partly right then. Then again, Mohammad wasn’t a very good human to begin with.
It is now known they drew upon information derived from a wide variety of sources way beyond Mohammad's trances.
The committee simply tried to put the best gloss they could on their own civilization ~ couldn't let the Byzantine armies they were absorbing into their conquest machine know how barbaric and ignorant their more recent ancestors had been, or how impoverished their society really was (camels, tea, tents, sand, ......... etc.) so they painted them as having had their own major prophet complete with revelations and Sunday school plans!
I sometimes think the Meccan Arabs were more astonished at their military prowess and ability to reorganized Dark Age societies than were the people they conquered. They did have a pretty good rep with the locals when they kicked out the Persians who were mucking around looting the Mediterranean basin (as usual).
no Delorean w/flux capacitance/Mr. Fusion powered
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lots of conjecture on the fine points.....
Death, taxes, grants....Name 3 sure things...
interesting stuff!
There’s a better case for what you say than the liberal claim that Jesus never existed. But liberals never question anything the Muslims say, because Mohammed is in their eyes just another charismatic cult leader. The incarnation, they think, is so, so unacceptable that they ignore the fact that their whole worldview is rejected by the radical Muslims, wow if they come to power, will gradually bring scientific progress to a halt.
Just a suggestion
a picture worth a 1,000 words
They were indeed fortunate that the skeleton was protected for years by a naturally occurring shell of titanium-tungsten alloy.
I have studied it, and am studying it again. Especially recent discoveries...you might wanna read up sometime.
Unkind ... and this is the first and last time I come to her defense.
It looks like an alien caveman.
One such group consists of Byzantium itself, and other group consists of the Arabs at Damascus.
Scientific documents were copied and distributed around the known world and even some science was advanced in organized schools.
The Arabs ALSO adanced the knowledge of archaeology ~ this arose out of their interest in documents from antiquity AND for discovery of all the places identified in the Koran that related to the lives of the prophets (which, in their eyes, included Jesus and Moses and Adam and Noah, etc.).
Later on when the Mongols reopened the Silk Road, closed since the onset of the Dark Ages Event (spring, 535AD) Chinese documents flowed to the West, were translated, and added to the store of knowledge regularly traded around the Mediterranean by the Moslems.
Look, it's not all bad, and not everybody is or was an Islamofascist maniac. But like the 5% criminal class in the African-American community, the 5% Islamofascist maniacs among the Moslems deinitely dirty the water don't they.
The major difference is that of them all humans have the largest penis, and that says everything anyone comparing critters needs to know!
The theory that lesser primates “devolved” from man does explain one very perplexing thing...that is why do orangutans look like chinese gorillas?
Think about it.
Thin, lanky Chinese gorillas!
Well .. people can believe they came from monkeys if they want .. but as for me .. I believe MAN was created by GOD!
I guess this means they can stop looking for “the missing link?”
The theory of evolution keeps evolving -— eventually it will reach the conclusion that God created mankind.
Well - perhaps - but look at the damage and waste they have created - she acts like a person that has not evolved with her smug personality. I’m not or is anyone else here to serve those two. I didn’t vote for them - but I’ll pay for it in taxes - so I’ll say what I want. Unkind - no not really. They are so back in the stone ages and beyond it’s going to take decades to recover form their decisions...I have seen to much to think that it was all for nothing - and they have done just that with their rise to power. It was wasted lives at this point!
So you agree? orangutans have a slightly east asian “look”? Why don’t you ever hear evolutionists address this strange phenomenon?
Ha!
An outside force “helped” precipitate the evolution of higher primates...ie a higher power intervened to nudge the creation of man.
tada
creationism.
hahahahaha! I love it.
This seems to be going on with false killer whales and Atlantic bottlenose dolphins ~ they are different species, but their cross-bred offspring are still fertile. Something similar seems to have been going on with Chimps, etc.
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I find that evolutionists have it in their minds that man evolved to become more advanced. The whole theory is a superiority complex. To evolutionists I ask the question, “What about de-evolution?”
“What?”
“Who is to say we have become more advanced? Maybe God is slowly turning us into the maggots we really are or (more or less) seem to want to be?”
Evolution theory does not supply enough facts for me to be persuaded. If we evolved from one species, then we must have at one time before that evolved from another, and yet another, and on and on. The notion that all life descended from a pool of single-celled life forms is the inevitable conclusion. Yet, why would a single-celled life form have the need to evolve??? And, how can a single cell evolve into two cells? That would be like Billy Bob evolving from Will Smith, or vice versa.
Interesting what the imagination aspires to believe, but my beliefs are not motivated by my imagination, emotions, or personal thoughts. I derive what I believe trusting that the truth is given to me, not withheld from me in the form of some sort of scientific mystery.
The driver is lack of adequacy of current design.
The interest in science seems to have been suppressed after the 13th Century. So far as I know, no figure like Averoses or Avicenna appears in Islam. Even today there is little scientific work being published in the Mideast.
Oh, I get it now! Silly me...
Most of the advances in the Eastern Mediterranean in that period are usually attributed to the Turks ~ and sometimes to the Mongols. Remember, the 1300s saw the reopening of the Silk Road by the new Mongol Empire.
Developments in the Western Mediterranean are frequently ascribed to Spain, which by that time was pretty much both Christian and Islamic with a quite inventive Jewish industrial class. An examination of Jewish occupational surnames of the time reveals some quite interesting developments in that area. (You will need to learn to read Ladino to grasp what those new surnames meant).
After 1492 Jews spread throughout Western Europe from Spain, and for good or ill, did spread quite a bit of scientific and industrial knowledge around, and that, in turn set fire to a quite rapid economic advance that hasn't ended yet. The final conquest of Islamic Spain allowed Christian Europeans to copy over all the ancient texts, copies of which were a regular feature of all major libraries in Islamic Spain.
I never compared
The problem is that evolution is a backwards looking theory. All that can be said about this recently discovered skeleton is that it is of a being whose kind no longer exists, which resembled human beings more than modern primates do. The likelihood of our ever finding our our linear ancestors is remote, given that so few people are looking for their remains. What bothers me is the agenda that seems to be driving this, which is to emphasize our similarities to other animals when the differences are so obvious. We will—and this is so obvious as to amount to tautology—that we can learn more from anthropology than from any effort to find the elusive missing link. And we can skew the results of anthropology by paying to much attention to animal physiology and animal behavior.
No, it didn’t. I know more than the history of science. I am science major. I do not ascribe to the evolution theory.
Remember, human beings can run, gorillas, chimps and orangutangs can't. We are it, and we have legs as well laid out for running as any other animal that runs.
We are certainly the ONLY primate that runs on two legs although there are some monkeys that seem to be able to run on 3s and 4s without knuckle dragging.
As you noticed this critter is so different from the Great Apes it more or less destroys all the hypothesis involving human descent on that line.
Right on, brother! Humans share 50% of their DNA with bananas too, and I don’t see anyone wondering if we evolved from fruit.
My thought is that the "driver" is internal, not external, and it was designed to be that way.
Odds are good that life is ancient in terms of "universes ago", not the mere 4 billion years it may have been lurking around this particular chunk of rock.
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