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LDS filmmaker says Book of Mormon set in North America
Mormon Times ^ | Saturday, Oct. 03, 2009 | Sharon Haddock

Posted on 10/03/2009 8:44:17 PM PDT by Godzilla

MIDWAY, Utah -- LDS filmmaker Kieth Merrill says he picked the background for "The Testaments" by default, and if he had it to do over, he would have sought locations in North America rather than Central and South America.

Speaking Friday at the Book of Mormon Prophecies Conference at the Zermatt resort, Merrill said he believes evidence supports a North American backdrop in the "promised land" for the Book of Mormon stories, wars and visits from Jesus Christ.

"I know that the Book of Mormon is true. I can't say I know where it all took place," Merrill said as he addressed a packed house as the conference's keynote speaker. "I'm the guy who made the biggest, most expensive film (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) has ever made, and I put it in the wrong place."

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TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Other non-Christian
KEYWORDS: antimormonthread; bookofmormon; mormon; northamerica
continued Merrill said the common notion that the Mayan and Aztec peoples and other such civilizations known to have lived in Central America during Book of Mormon history influenced his choice of jungle location. (He ultimately filmed "The Testaments" on the Hawaiian island of Kauai after roaming the jungles of the Yucatan.)

"I can't wait to redo the movie and put buffalo in it," he said.

Merrill said his mental map has been altered by DNA experts who are not finding hard evidence that the Book of Mormon people ever lived in Central America and by researchers such as Rod Meldrum, the author of the new DVD "DNA Evidence for Book of Mormon Geography." Meldrum and other researchers argue that the Nephites and Lamanites lived in the same basic area of the United States where the LDS Church was founded.

1 posted on 10/03/2009 8:44:18 PM PDT by Godzilla
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To: Godzilla

Huh? Never mind.


2 posted on 10/03/2009 9:01:59 PM PDT by nomad
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To: nomad

Joseph Smith Jr. said that Eden was in Missouri so I guess he’s right ... sorta ...


3 posted on 10/03/2009 9:15:31 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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........He should've made a movie about Joe Smith's Bar inside his own house. Great stuff.

Anyone with any sense realizes the book of mormon is a complete sham; anyone with any sens realizes Joe's Mythy and his seer stone dreams cannot be in any manner archaeologically or anthropologically proven. Not one iota; not one shred of proof of anything.

Joe was a sheister, but he did have a liquor license and his beer may have been quite good. Don't know.......

4 posted on 10/03/2009 9:49:18 PM PDT by NoRedTape
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To: Colofornian
And the archeological evidence says......?
5 posted on 10/03/2009 10:03:01 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: Godzilla
When someone locates one of those Mormon book battlefields and unearths the bones of the thousands and thousands who died, or finds the remnants one of those great structures or buildings from LDS history, let me know. I'll be around.
6 posted on 10/03/2009 10:23:39 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Reagan Man
When someone locates one of those Mormon book battlefields and unearths the bones of the thousands and thousands who died, or finds the remnants one of those great structures or buildings from LDS history, let me know. I'll be around.

Inquiring minds still wanting to know.

7 posted on 10/04/2009 6:34:07 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: All
"I can't wait to redo the movie and put buffalo in it," he said.

The book of mormon is loaded with animals that have been shown not to be present in the Americas during the bom period (500BC-400 AD), such as the Ass, Bull, Calf, Cattle, Cow, domestic Goat (the Nephites claimed to have found the domestic goat!), Horse, Ox, domestic Sheep, Sow, Swine, & Elephants.

Why aren't animals such as Coatimundis, Deer, Jaguars, Tapir, Monkeys, Sloths, Turkeys, and yes - buffalo - mentioned when they were animals that existed?

8 posted on 10/04/2009 6:42:41 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Reagan Man
When someone locates one of those Mormon book battlefields and unearths the bones of the thousands and thousands who died, or finds the remnants one of those great structures or buildings from LDS history, let me know.

Helaman 3:7 7 And there being but little timber upon the face of the land, nevertheless the people who went forth became exceedingly expert in the working of cement; therefore they did build houses of cement, in the which they did dwell.

Recent research shows that cement was in fact extensively used in Mesoamerica beginning largely at this time. One of the most notable uses of cement is in the temple complex at Teotihuacan, north of present-day Mexico City. According to David S. Hyman, the structural use of cement appears suddenly in the archaeological record. Its earliest sample "is a fully developed product." The cement floor slabs at this site "were remarkably high in structural quality." Although exposed to the elements for nearly two thousand years, they still "exceed many present-day building code requirements." After its discovery, cement was used at many sites in the Valley of Mexico and in the Maya regions of southern Mexico, Guatemala, and Honduras. It was used in the construction of buildings at such sites as Cerro de Texcotzingo, Tula, Palenque, Tikal, Copan, Uxmal, and Chichen Itza.

9 posted on 10/04/2009 7:41:30 AM PDT by Alan2
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To: Alan2
Mumbo jumbo!
10 posted on 10/04/2009 8:12:13 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Alan2; Reagan Man

Alan -

Cite your sources for others to review. I know you are probably using one of the multiple mormon sites for this info. However, if you bother to read Hyman’s original document, instead of the citations that are cherry picked from his 1970 paper, one will note that this ‘cement’ was nothing more that a mixture of limestone that was used for mortar and stucco. There is nothing that has been found of buildings constructed completely from ‘concrete’.

Second issue, this location at Teotihuacan the temple was constructed from stone, with this stucco finish. Again, misrepresenting the facts of the matter.

Finally, there is absolutely nothing at this site that is hebrew, egyptian or any resemblance of the form of worship depicted in the bom.


11 posted on 10/04/2009 8:34:30 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; ...

Ping


12 posted on 10/04/2009 8:54:02 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Chicago, Chicago, that Toddlin' Town without an Olympics...la de da......Shell and O strike out!)
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To: Godzilla; greyfoxx39
Not to worry.

Mormons apologists even think that DNA can prove geography.

That's sort of akin to the H1NI flu strain "proving" a peninsula.

13 posted on 10/04/2009 9:16:01 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Godzilla

I love good fiction...


14 posted on 10/04/2009 10:25:38 AM PDT by ejonesie22
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To: Alan2
Antiquities theft is not sound archeology...
15 posted on 10/04/2009 10:48:52 AM PDT by ejonesie22
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To: Alan2; Reagan Man; Colofornian; greyfoxx39; ejonesie22
Helaman 3:7 7 And there being but little timber upon the face of the land, nevertheless the people who went forth became exceedingly expert in the working of cement; therefore they did build houses of cement, in the which they did dwell.

Another follow-up on this myth. The BoM claims that the people became experts in making houses out of cement due to the lack of timber. This is completely backward from what occurred in Teotihuacan. The deforestation of Teotihuacan was the result of the excessive use of plaster for their buildings. They did not use plaster/concrete due to lack of timber.

Furthermore, this 'concrete' plaster is created by burning limestone, which required an intense heat, constant fire, and huge amounts of wood. Alan, incase you didn't notice, Helaman specifically states that huge amounts of wood were NOT present.

If the Nephites were so powerful that the Teotihuacan were aware of them, and targeted them for destruction to get to Tikal, then they would have had an impact on the rest of Mesoamerica, and the hard fact is that the history of ancient Mesoamerica was not impacted whatsoever by the Nephites – otherwise we would find evidence of their existence.

16 posted on 10/04/2009 1:03:23 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla
Skip to comments. LDS filmmaker says Book of Mormon set in North America

Oh?

What does HE use for EVIDENCE?

17 posted on 10/04/2009 1:16:36 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Godzilla
"I can't wait to redo the movie and put buffalo in it," he said.

Why not!

The BoM already contains the output from them!

18 posted on 10/04/2009 1:17:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Godzilla
"I know that the Book of Mormon is true.

No, son; you HOPE that it's true - you BELIEVE that it's true.

There is no way to KNOW that it's true - 'warming of the heart' has been known to lie to you.

19 posted on 10/04/2009 1:18:53 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Godzilla
Merrill said his mental map has been altered...

Yup...

...the BIBLE warns of that.

20 posted on 10/04/2009 1:19:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Alan2
Recent research shows that cement was in fact extensively used in Mesoamerica beginning largely at this time. invented and in fact extensively used by the ROMANS BEFORE this time.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&q=romans+invented+concrete&revid=1131822820&ei=fgTJSqX8Jsiutgf63PGxDw&sa=X&oi=revisions_inline&resnum=0&ct=broad-revision&cd=2


Helaman 3:7
And there being but little timber upon the face of the land, nevertheless the people who went forth became exceedingly expert in the working of cement; therefore they did build houses of cement, in the which they did dwell.

There may be some slabs of concrete in the LARGE buildings found, but no HOMES of it have been unearthed.

21 posted on 10/04/2009 1:27:10 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ejonesie22

Read any lately?


22 posted on 10/04/2009 1:27:50 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
"I can't wait to redo the movie and put buffalo in it," he said.
Why not!

Because buffalo are easier to depict than curelom and the cumoms.

23 posted on 10/04/2009 2:02:19 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla
Because buffalo are easier to depict than curelom and the cumoms.

You SURE about that?

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24 posted on 10/04/2009 2:20:25 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Chicago, Chicago, that Toddlin' Town without an Olympics...la de da......Shell and O strike out!)
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To: greyfoxx39

Yeh, some prime rib of that on the bbq.


25 posted on 10/04/2009 3:32:08 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Elsie

Every except you post from the BOM, D&C and such ;-)


26 posted on 10/04/2009 5:25:34 PM PDT by ejonesie22
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To: Alan2; All
Helaman 3:7 7 And there being but little timber upon the face of the land, nevertheless the people who went forth became exceedingly expert in the working of cement; therefore they did build houses of cement, in the which they did dwell.

In an interview given by Dr. Richard D. Hansen, a world-renowned archeologist and expert on the Maya, who served as a consultant on the film - APOCALYPTO - discussed key matters of point regarding deforestation and Mayan 'cement'

Deforestation is of particular interest to Dr. Hansen, who explained to the filmmakers how it might have played a major role in the annihilation of the Mayan kingdoms. He discovered that in the process of creating the lime stucco cement used to build their temples, palaces, plazas and monuments, the Maya had to create fires to heat the limestone. "It took five tons of fresh, green wood to make one ton of quick lime," notes Hansen. "I found one pyramid in El Mirador that would have required nearly 1,600 acres of every single available tree just to cover one building with lime stucco.

Note two items. One is that it was not used structurally, but as a stucco. Second point is the amount of wood necessary to create this lime based stucco - five tons of fresh, green wood to make one ton of quick lime

Now enter Helaman- they came upon a land with little timber EXISTING and started to make cement anyway. If they had 1600 acres of timber available to begin with (for just ONE temple) - why burn it all up just to make a little lime stucco? There was by necessity (for the creation of Mayan 'cement') an abundance of trees available. Hence another bom 'hit' falls far short of the mark.

27 posted on 10/04/2009 5:43:49 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla

But there was a great song posted here years ago called “Tapir Back Riders”, set to the tune of “Paper Back Writer” by the Beatles.


28 posted on 10/05/2009 7:29:18 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank
But there was a great song posted here years ago called “Tapir Back Riders”, set to the tune of “Paper Back Writer” by the Beatles.

And now, a blast from the past . . .

Tapir-Back Riders
Tune: "Paperback Writer" by the Beatles

Dear Sir or Madam will you read my book?
It took me years to write, will you take a look?
It's based on a novel by a man named Joe
And the main idea is the Lamanites were
Tapir-back riders
Tapir-back riders

See, the Nephites came to the promised land
And those damn exmos just don't understand
That when they said "horse" they meant something else
But it all makes sense if you know that they were
Tapir-back riders
Tapir-back riders

I know the whole thing doesn't hold up well
If you take it literally, but what the hell
There's this group of guys that work at FARMS
And they can save the whole thing by postulating
Tapir-back riders
Tapir-back riders

29 posted on 10/05/2009 7:51:33 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla

From the golden grooveyard of forgotten favorites!!!!!!

THANKS!!!!!!


30 posted on 10/05/2009 7:59:48 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank
Always glad to be of service.


31 posted on 10/05/2009 8:02:05 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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