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Controversy Erupts as Catholic Bishop Asks Pro-Gay Bishop Not to Enter His Diocese
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | October 13, 2009 | By Peter J. Smith

Posted on 10/14/2009 10:26:11 AM PDT by jacknhoo

Controversy Erupts as Catholic Bishop Asks Pro-Gay Bishop Not to Enter His Diocese

By Peter J. Smith

MARQUETTE, Michigan, October 13, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A public controversy has erupted between two bishops of the Catholic Church in the United States, with one of the youngest bishops in the country publicly taking on one of his own colleagues in an effort to defend the Church's teachings on homosexuality and other issues.

Marquette Bishop Alexander K. Sample, 49-years-old and one of the youngest US Catholic bishops, recently banned Bishop Thomas Gumbleton, 79, a retired auxiliary bishop of the Archdiocese of Detroit and notorious promoter of homosexuality, contraception, and homosexual and women's ordination, from entering and speaking in his diocese, citing his pastoral duty to defend the "faith and morals" of the Catholic Church. The controversial bishop was set to address the group Marquette Citizens for Peace and Justice.

"As the Bishop of the Diocese of Marquette, I am the chief shepherd and teacher of the Catholic faithful of the Upper Peninsula entrusted to my pastoral care," said Bishop Sample in a public statement. "As such I am charged with the grave responsibility to keep clearly before my people the teachings of the Catholic Church on matters of faith and morals."

"Given Bishop Gumbleton's very public position on certain important matters of Catholic teaching, specifically with regard to homosexuality and the ordination of women to the priesthood, it was my judgment that his presence in Marquette would not be helpful to me in fulfilling my responsibility."

The elder prelate, who once held the title of Vicar General of Detroit, counts himself as a member of radical heterodox groups such as New Ways Ministry and Call to Action, both of which have been censured by the Vatican for moral and doctrinal reasons, especially over the promotion of homosexual behavior as a valid normative lifestyle. Members of Call to Action are also excommunicated in one US diocese and the group agitates for contraception, abortion, divorce and remarriage, and change in the governmental structure of the Church.

Gumbleton's career as an active and well-known "liberal" prelate came to an abrupt end in 2006, when the Vatican denied his request to continue on as Auxiliary Bishop to Detroit Cardinal Adam Maida upon reaching the mandatory retirement age of 75.

For his part, Sample made clear that banning Gumbleton had nothing to do with either Marquette Citizens for Peace and Justice or the topic of Gumbleton's speech, which concerned the matter of peace and justice.

Instead, the deciding factor, said Sample, was the potential for Gumbleton to mislead members of his diocese on Church teachings through discussions and interactions either tangential or unrelated to the topic of Gumbleton's speech.

"I was concerned about his well-known and public stature and position on these issues and my inability to keep these matters from coming up in discussion," added Sample. "In order that no one becomes confused, everyone under my pastoral care must receive clear teaching on these important doctrines."

Sample stated that he regretted the public controversy, but made clear that Gumbleton had put him in that position by neglecting "common courtesy" between bishops, which requires them to ask permission before entering the diocese of another bishop. Instead, Gumbleton had informed Sample of his intention to speak at the event organized by Marquette Citizens for Peace and Justice on October 9, after the upcoming event was made public.

However, this is not the first time that Gumbleton has been banned from a diocese in which informing the local ordinary of his presence was an afterthought.

In 2007, bishop Gerald F. Kicanas banned Gumbleton from entering his jurisdiction after he discovered that Call to Action had arranged for him to speak at Catholic churches and schools in the diocese.

For pro-life and pro-family leaders - both inside and outside the Catholic Church - Sample's stand against Gumbleton is being interpreted as a sign of hope and a reminder of a generational changing of the guard within the Catholic Church.

Gumbleton is almost 39 years senior to Sample, and represents an aging and shrinking demographic of US bishops whose heterodox opinions were formed in seminaries during the 1950s and who were active in ministry during the cultural upheaval of the 1960s and 70s.

Sample, on the other hand, represents a younger class of bishops formed during the papacy of John Paul II that have trended toward taking up the challenge of defending orthodox teachings on morals, doctrine, and liturgy.

"The bishops aren't sworn to each other, they are sworn to obey the gospels," veteran pro-life leader Joe Scheidler of the Chicago-based Pro-Life Action League told LifeSiteNews.com. Scheidler added that bishops nevertheless often do act like members of a "unique club" generally protecting each other and not talking about each other in public.

"But if a bishop is so bad" like Gumbleton, said Scheidler, "If they are doing something that is causing something that is causing scandal, it takes a strong bishop to call them on the carpet."

Read Bishop Alexander Sample's statement here.

See related coverage by LifeSiteNews.com:

No Catholic Venue in Tucson for Gay Activist Bishop Gumbleton http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007/jan/07013106.html

URL: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/oct/09101402.html


TOPICS: Catholic; Ecumenism; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: bishopsample; catholic; detroit; faith; gumbleton; homosexualagenda; maida; moralabsolutes; morality; religiousleft; sample; sexuality; sin; truth
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I do not understand how these groups, New Ways Ministry and Call to Action, are not excommunicated by ALL US diocese (the article says only one)...what is wrong with American Catholic leaders?
1 posted on 10/14/2009 10:26:12 AM PDT by jacknhoo
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To: jacknhoo

Three cheers! Now if only all Catholics Bishops are ordered by the Vatican to do the same; and deny the Holy Eucharist to the likes of Pelosi, the Church would renew itself by leaps and bounds. And then there is the matter of Cardinal Mahony who should be given the boot before he reaches 75.


2 posted on 10/14/2009 10:33:23 AM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Praise be to God that He still protects His Church. God bless Bishop Alexander K. Sample!


3 posted on 10/14/2009 10:37:33 AM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: jacknhoo

Am especially heartened to see it is a Bishop among the new generation taking a stand for the basic teachings of the church!


4 posted on 10/14/2009 10:52:08 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: stevio

Someone stood up and used good church discipline!


5 posted on 10/14/2009 11:01:56 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: PGR88

Why isn’t the Vatican doing something about these radical heretics?


6 posted on 10/14/2009 11:03:39 AM PDT by Mmogamer (<This space for lease>)
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To: PGR88

BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!


7 posted on 10/14/2009 11:10:27 AM PDT by berkley
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To: jacknhoo
I do not understand how these groups, New Ways Ministry and Call to Action, are not excommunicated by ALL US diocese (the article says only one)...what is wrong with American Catholic leaders?

That's a good question!

8 posted on 10/14/2009 11:22:36 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (...We never faced anything like this...we only fought humans.)
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To: jacknhoo

Good on him.


9 posted on 10/14/2009 2:28:54 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: jacknhoo

***I do not understand how these groups, New Ways Ministry and Call to Action, are not excommunicated by ALL US diocese (the article says only one)...what is wrong with American Catholic leaders?***

It takes much to steer the USCCB Titanic away from the icebergs. Pope Benedict XVI has come to us at the turning of the tide...


10 posted on 10/14/2009 4:24:51 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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I love good news. Great man. Hope more take courage from his actions. Courage is the test of all virtues. I feel like dancing for joy.

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11 posted on 10/14/2009 4:38:15 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: jacknhoo

Good for this Bishop. In most normal minds, the controversy would be if they DID allow them to.


12 posted on 10/14/2009 4:59:01 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: Steelfish

Mahoney should be booted. I would be happy if he were simply banished to the Vatican basement to live out his days working in the kitchen or filing.


13 posted on 10/14/2009 5:01:06 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: little jeremiah
I feel like dancing for joy.

Video tape it if you do. ;-)

14 posted on 10/14/2009 5:44:27 PM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: scripter

Only if people poke their eyes out first. Saves them the trouble of doing it after watching.

;-)


15 posted on 10/14/2009 5:45:38 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: little jeremiah

be nice if more had the same convictions and courage


16 posted on 10/14/2009 6:43:08 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman, end of. -end racism end affirmative action)
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17 posted on 10/14/2009 6:50:37 PM PDT by narses ("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own.")
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To: jacknhoo

Good news.


18 posted on 10/14/2009 6:54:47 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Steelfish

And Fr. Jenkins of UND too! (Give him the boot!)


19 posted on 10/14/2009 7:13:28 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: manc

When people don’t act on their convictions, they won’t have the convictions for long.

May his example inspire courage in others!


20 posted on 10/14/2009 7:14:54 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: jacknhoo

Woot! Way to GO, Bishop!


21 posted on 10/14/2009 10:21:51 PM PDT by redhead (LIBERALS: We know who you are. Do you know us? we are THE PEOPLE, and we are WATCHING you.)
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To: jacknhoo

I am the same age as the younger bishop and can only hope that by the time my generation starts controlling the church, things will improve. I’m sure changes will come, and I hope they’ll be GOOD changes. I’m hopeful.


22 posted on 10/15/2009 1:53:51 AM PDT by malkee (Actually I'm an ex-smoker--more than three years now -- But I think about it every day.)
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23 posted on 10/15/2009 5:18:08 AM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: jacknhoo
Gumbleton is almost 39 years senior to Sample, and represents an aging and shrinking demographic of US bishops whose heterodox opinions were formed in seminaries during the 1950s and who were active in ministry during the cultural upheaval of the 1960s and 70s.

Perhaps this, will clarify the situation.

24 posted on 10/15/2009 5:20:38 AM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: Mmogamer; PGR88
Why isn’t the Vatican doing something about these radical heretics?

This may help to address your question.

Why Doesn't the Pope Do Something about "Bad" Bishops?

25 posted on 10/15/2009 5:22:35 AM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

I read as much as I could stand of your link.

Catholics are trapped in a cult.

They are are taught that salvation on comes through their one and only valid church and valid sacraments, and these saving ordinances can only be performed by their validly anointed priesthood.

Yet...When there is a corrupt bishop they are fed drivel like the link you provided and told they must tolerate the corruption, given absolutely no means to correct the corruption, and then told if they leave they will be damned to hell.

That is a cult!


26 posted on 10/15/2009 5:32:02 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: NYer
"I am the chief shepherd and teacher of the Catholic faithful...As such I am charged with the grave responsibility to keep clearly before my people the teachings of the Catholic Church on matters of faith and morals."

There is one bishop who has not 'lost his salt'!
27 posted on 10/15/2009 5:32:49 AM PDT by NewCenturions
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To: wintertime
Catholics are trapped in a cult.

That is a strong attack on the Catholic Church. Would you be so kind as to provide your source or reference for this statement. Most appreciated.

28 posted on 10/15/2009 5:37:12 AM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer
I just did. The Catholic Church uses all the mental mind games and Catch 22’s of a cult.

**Only the cult is the valid church and ( of course) comes directly from God.

**Only the cult has the only valid sacraments, and these sacraments are absolutely necessary for salvation.

***Only the cult's priesthood can ordain these only and only valid sacraments.

**Only the cult has the valid priesthood which is absolutely necessary for salvation.

** There is absolutely no way for the common member of the cult to reform the cult's leadership.

**They are taught that if they leave the cult they are damned to hell.

So....Insert the name of any 20th century cult and tell that it doesn't fit the above description? Then put in the name of the Catholic Church.

29 posted on 10/15/2009 5:49:24 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: Mmogamer
"Why isn’t the Vatican doing something about these radical heretics?"

The $64 question.

30 posted on 10/15/2009 5:55:12 AM PDT by Landru (If you want to perform for 15 mins, 30 mins, 1 hour, 5 days, a YEAR! Call...)
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To: wintertime

“That is a cult!”

I’m going to answer your statement by telling you something a priest said to me recently. I had commented about the changes in the church. I was referring to such things as new hymns, etc. But the priest misunderstood and replied, “There are NO changes in the Church. There are only a few people who caused much harm.

He was absolutely right! The church has not changed its beliefs since it was founded by Christ. And, by the way, one of those beliefs is, “IF (notice the caps) you believe the Catholic church to be the true church, you must join it.” This can be extrapolated to say, “If you believe the Baptist (or name your own church) to be the true church, you must join it.” That’s hardly a cult.

It’s not only the United States which has been infested by communists, it’s also a number of churches. Since 1950 we have raised several generations which have been inculcated with communistic thinking. It will take time to correct the damage, possibly a few more generations. The church is working on it. Give us time, and your blessing, just as we bless your hopes for salvation.


31 posted on 10/15/2009 6:06:49 AM PDT by kitkat
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To: kitkat

I would add that “if” you believe that an organization is corrupt you must leave it.


32 posted on 10/15/2009 6:10:51 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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"As the Bishop of the Diocese of Marquette, I am the chief shepherd and teacher of the Catholic faithful of the Upper Peninsula entrusted to my pastoral care," said Bishop Sample in a public statement. "As such I am charged with the grave responsibility to keep clearly before my people the teachings of the Catholic Church on matters of faith and morals."

Now THAT's a bishop doing his job!!

Remember that a bishop will have to answer for his charges' sins.
33 posted on 10/15/2009 6:33:25 AM PDT by Cronos (Oh bummer -- screwing up America since Jan 2009 - and doing a damn fine job of it too!)
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To: wintertime

Where are the links to your sources?


34 posted on 10/15/2009 6:34:39 AM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: wintertime; kitkat
I would add that “if” you believe that an organization is corrupt you must leave it.

Again, please provide linked resources for your assertion.

35 posted on 10/15/2009 6:37:26 AM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

Where are the links to your sources?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

In what ways to my statements **not** apply to cults? Links please. (/s)

I am pointing out characteristics that define a generic cult and you are asking for sources?

If the cult shoe fits take it off or be continually chaffing.


36 posted on 10/15/2009 6:40:08 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: wintertime; kitkat

Your statements belie a great misunderstanding of the Catholic (and also the Orthodox) Church. Perhaps I should rephrase my question and simply ask who told you that sacraments, instituted by Jesus Christ, constitute a cult?


37 posted on 10/15/2009 6:51:10 AM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: wintertime
I would add that “if” you believe that an organization is corrupt you must leave it.

Lol, going to Canada soon?

38 posted on 10/15/2009 7:11:00 AM PDT by conservonator (spill czeck is knot my friend)
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To: Cronos; jacknhoo; NYer; Kolokotronis
Now THAT's a bishop doing his job!!

Good for him! The Church (East and West) needs more bishops like him.

Now, why is the other (retired auxiliary bishop) not defrocked as the Councils call for? After all, everything he teaches seems to be contrary, indeed anathemical to Catholic doctrine.

39 posted on 10/15/2009 7:23:40 AM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: kosta50

He should be booted out, yes!


40 posted on 10/15/2009 7:25:06 AM PDT by Cronos (Oh bummer -- screwing up America since Jan 2009 - and doing a damn fine job of it too!)
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To: jacknhoo

GOD BLESS BISHOP SAMPLE!!!


41 posted on 10/15/2009 7:28:04 AM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: conservonator

Well?...Our Founding Fathers did give us the Second Amendment, and our Declaration of Independence does have something to say about our **duty** in the face of corruption.


42 posted on 10/15/2009 7:28:56 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: wintertime

What religion are you??


43 posted on 10/15/2009 7:29:44 AM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: Ann Archy

Christian


44 posted on 10/15/2009 7:30:42 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: wintertime

Me too....what Church or denomination? Do you go to Church every week? If not why not.


45 posted on 10/15/2009 7:32:34 AM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: wintertime

Hello.....will you answer my #45?? Thanks.


46 posted on 10/15/2009 7:39:38 AM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: wintertime

So what do you plan on doing?


47 posted on 10/15/2009 7:55:45 AM PDT by conservonator (spill czeck is knot my friend)
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To: kosta50; Cronos; jacknhoo; NYer

“Good for him! The Church (East and West) needs more bishops like him.”

Its great to see a bishop act like a real bishop, using his canonical authority the way and in the place the canons call for!

“Now, why is the other (retired auxiliary bishop) not defrocked as the Councils call for? After all, everything he teaches seems to be contrary, indeed anathemical to Catholic doctrine.”

Good question! But this sort of “teaching” is inevitable when hierarchs of The Church involve themselves in secular politics. Politics and political involvement by clerics becomes like an evil narcotic and more often than not leads to uncanonical behavior and even heresy.


48 posted on 10/15/2009 7:57:13 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: kosta50
everything he teaches p> See my post #25
49 posted on 10/15/2009 7:59:15 AM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: conservonator
So what do you plan on doing?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

In my thirties I understood that the Catholic Church was a cult. (Although, at the time, I would not have had the spiritual maturity to have recognized it as such.) Thankfully, I escaped that mind control.

I now know that salvation is through Christ and Him alone.

Although organizations ( Christian churches) are for Christian fellowship, salvation is not through the organization,its rituals, or its people. To believe that it is, is to worship the organization rather than God.

50 posted on 10/15/2009 8:04:43 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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