Nonsense. This is their God.
Posted on 10/20/2009 5:03:36 AM PDT by markomalley
First the atheists began an ad campaign in London, and now atheists are getting ready to advertise that they are “Good without God”.
Starting next Monday, a coalition of local groups will run a monthlong advertising campaign in a dozen Manhattan subway stations with the slogan “A Million New Yorkers Are Good Without God. Are You?” The posters also advertise the Web site BigAppleCoR.org, which provides a listing of local groups affiliated with the Coalition of Reason, the umbrella organization that coordinated the campaign.
The campaign — which is being paid for by $25,000 from an anonymous donor — follows a similar but unrelated monthlong campaign on buses by New York City Atheists in July. Jane Everhart, a spokeswoman for the New York City Atheists, said that campaign was highly successful and brought in many new members. “We are trying to raise money to do it again,” she said.
Almost sounds like the beginning of a religion, doesn’t it? If Evangelical Atheists and Secular Humanists organize, grow their numbers, raise money and even -as we see here-develop thriving communities, it seems likely that they will also develop rituals and rites of passage for their children, and before you know it, atheism will be a full-blown religion, of sorts.
I wonder if they’ll become tax-exempt, and open hospitals and schools, too? Interesting.
Clearly this is trending:
The coalition has placed similar billboards in the Dallas area and West Virginia. Another group ran ads in Chicago and in the Indiana cities of Bloomington and South Bend.
Meanwhile, Inside Catholic’s Brian Saint-Paul says there is a schism growing even within atheism.
Looks like a job for a Graffiti Artist
Throw God out of the picture, and suddenly you’ve got some big questions to answer.
Beginning with the question of Meaning.
Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psa 14:2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
Psa 14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
LOL! How ironic. These willfull ignorants think they're "Good" without God when those who are closest to God can't even be good!
Atheist think loving God is about being retricted with rules and commands, when it's actually about holding oneself accountable and responsible.
Athesist just want to remain unaccountable and irresponsible. Just shows how childish this religion of Atheism is.
Well said
“A Million New Yorkers Are Good Without God. Are You?”
I doubt that there are a million good New Yorkers.
I think the perfect counter to that would be something along the lines of “4 billion folks from Maine to Madagascar are pretty good WITH Him.”
This is actually a good opportunity for Christians to share their faith, not to mention to highlight the incoherent and irrational nature 'village idiot' nature of atheism. They are using the term 'good' despite widespread admission among atheists and among philosophers generally, that 'good' has no objective meaning apart from a transcendant standard of good/evil. (Thus the existence of post-modernism and the denial of absolute truths and standards.)
If there is no personal God with a moral code, then 'good' is just a personal opinion. And so I can lie, cheat, butcher innocents and steal from someone and call it 'good.' That is the incoherence of atheists blathering about being 'good.'
No one is good except God alone. (Mark 10:18b)
“Athesist just want to remain unaccountable and irresponsible. Just shows how childish this religion of Atheism is.”
As an agnostic moving towards atheism, I reject your assertion. I hold my self 100% accountable for every aspect of my life. Every consequence of every decision is mine to bear.
Furthermore, atheism is not a religion (at least, not to me). With the exception of maybe Budhism, atheists are the one group of people that have no long running beef with anyone, while Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindu, Seek, et.al. are trying to kill each other often with no clear idea why.
Hear, hear.
The Atheist governments have always been the real pros at killing. But let me correct your last statement. Muslims are trying to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Sihks. And they make themselves abundantly clear about why.
Atheism is a belief without factual proof that there are no supernatural beings of any kind. No atheist can prove that this is true no more than any believer can prove the existence of his or her supernatural being of choice.
With the exception of maybe Budhism, atheists are the one group of people that have no long running beef with anyone, while Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindu, Seek, et.al. are trying to kill each other often with no clear idea why.
Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the likes of Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Mussolini, to name a few genocidal atheists. In fact, I would say their body count is near the top of the list compared to all of the other religions.
But what if you’re wrong?
Pascal's Wager is a bet they aren't willing to take.
“Atheism is a belief without factual proof that there are no supernatural beings of any kind. No atheist can prove that this is true no more than any believer can prove the existence of his or her supernatural being of choice.”
Wrong. Atheism is the ABSENCE of belief. I stand ready to asses bona fide evidence of the existence of any sort of deity, but so far none has been presented. Let’s be very clear on something, the own of proof is the one making the claim that something exists. If you choose to believe in God or any other deity, that’s great, I have absolutely no issue with that whatsoever and support your right to do so. However, you want me to share that belief then the onus is on YOU to prove to me that your God exists.
“Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the likes of Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Mussolini, to name a few genocidal atheists.”
The also had brown hair but nobody asserts that they were genocidal maniacs *because* they had brown hair. That’s the difference between correlation and causation. Genocidal maniacs are driven by a fervent belief in an ideology, sometimes political, sometimes religious. Atheism is an absence of belief, in essence the journey of seeking objective evidence in place of blind faith, the very antithesis of the modus operandi of a genocidal maniac.
Incorrect. All the atheists I know of tell me that they believe there is no Christian God, Muslim God, or any other supernatural being of any kind. Sounds like a belief to me. Heck, the only difference between myself as a Christian and an atheist is that I simply believe that all of the other gods, aside for one, do not exist.
However, you want me to share that belief then the onus is on YOU to prove to me that your God exists.
Why? I already believe that my God exists, just as you believe that my God doesn't exist. Since we have shown conclusively that atheism itself is a belief system just like any other religion, then why does atheism insist that other faiths prove their beliefs but atheists believe that their faith should be exempt from that?
The also had brown hair but nobody asserts that they were genocidal maniacs *because* they had brown hair.
Your original assertion was that only ostensible believers engaged in genocide. I proved you wrong.
“Incorrect. All the atheists I know of tell me that they believe there is no Christian God, Muslim God, or any other supernatural being of any kind.”
Sounds to me like they are saying that they don’t believe the assertion that God exists, which is the exact same thing. You can twist that any way you like but it doesn’t change the fact that atheism is the absence of belief in a deity and nothing more.
“Why? I already believe that my God exists, just as you believe that my God doesn’t exist. Since we have shown conclusively that atheism itself is a belief system just like any other religion, then why does atheism insist that other faiths prove their beliefs but atheists believe that their faith should be exempt from that?”
Once again, atheism is not a belief it is the absence of belief. I as an atheist don’t want you to prove anything to me unless you want me to share your belief.
The also had brown hair but nobody asserts that they were genocidal maniacs *because* they had brown hair.
“Your original assertion was that only ostensible believers engaged in genocide. I proved you wrong.”
No it wasn’t, and no you didn’t. Better go back and re-read what I wrote..
Amem to that :)
Ask the question, why, in a Judeo-Christian society, are things like murder, rape, stealing, adultery, lying or any other thing we consider to be a sin is wrong without any sort of religious argument? Every answer you get can be tied right back to the fact that some time ago, a guy who helped his people flee bondage was told these things by his God.
You can even see these things in non-Judeo-Christian societies with different sets of morals than ours. Those morals come from their respective belief systems. The one thing they all have in common is that people who do "bad things" (as defined by the belief system) in this life will not have a pleasant experience in the afterlife. Without this incentive, and belief in it, and the laws that spring forth from these beliefs, then what incentive is there to be "good?"
“If there is no personal God with a moral code, then ‘good’ is just a personal opinion. And so I can lie, cheat, butcher innocents and steal from someone and call it ‘good.’ That is the incoherence of atheists blathering about being ‘good.’”
People are as moral as their internal moral compass dictates, regardless of their beliefs, that’s why there are pedophile priests. They’re morally corrupt irrespective of their faith. Theists don’t have exclusive rights to the concept of ‘good’.
ROBERT HEINLEIN
Exactly, so it is a belief.
I as an atheist don’t want you to prove anything to me unless you want me to share your belief.
But your belief is no better than my belief. Since there is only a net difference of one god that we disagree on, I couldn't go out and disprove the existence of all of the other gods that we do not believe no more than I can prove to you the existence of the one God that I do believe in.
You asserted that atheists have no long running beef with anyone, and do not engage in the types of genocide that ostensible believes do. Like any universal statement, it only takes one counter-example to disprove it. I gave you four.
“Exactly, so it is a belief.
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But your belief is no better than my belief.”
If you don’t get it, I don’t know how else to put it.
I wish you all the happiness under the sun in you belief.
One fallacy many atheists do believe is that you can still have a society that adheres to Judeo-Christian values without the Christianity.
The issue is not who is a theist or not. Either there is a personal God or there is not. If there is, the omnipotent creator of the universe defines the standard of right or wrong. (And people can fail or heed that standard irrespective of whether they beleive in Him or not). If there is no God, then there is no such thing as 'good' except in a strictly subjective, relative sense.
I like chocolate and dislike anchovies, but my preferences do not form a moral code. When atheists attempt to push their self-righteousness on others it is as senseless as me insisting that my food preferences be considered a moral code for all mankind.
The question is not who sins more. Everyone does. The question is, how can you atone for your sin?
I don’t believe in atheism.
Nonsense. This is their God.
LOL! I reject your rejection. Sure you can hold yourself accountable by your own standard, however your standard is inadequate.
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