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Do Whatever He Tells You: The BVM (Statement of Evangelicals and Catholics Together )
First Things ^ | November 2009

Posted on 10/22/2009 11:42:38 AM PDT by NYer

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To: wagglebee
Everything we say is approved by Rome himself.


21 posted on 10/22/2009 12:49:51 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: wagglebee

LOL!

With lots of photoshopped pictures.


22 posted on 10/22/2009 12:50:31 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: wagglebee

Not Klannish enough yet - tweak it to “approved by Rome Himself.”


23 posted on 10/22/2009 12:51:13 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Petronski

I like my Rome better, but that one works too!


24 posted on 10/22/2009 12:51:41 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom

Welcome to the jungle.


25 posted on 10/22/2009 12:52:17 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: netmilsmom

Yes very true. Catholics are what they refer to as the “people of the book”.


26 posted on 10/22/2009 12:52:30 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Petronski

XD


27 posted on 10/22/2009 12:52:41 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom; wagglebee; NYer

Actually, “God-bearer” would be a more accurate description of her role than “Mother” - and vastly better than “Queen of Heaven, Spouse of the Holy Spirit”.

For the rest, I’d point out Protestants accept scripture. I respect both Luther and Calvin, but differ strongly with them in a number of areas.

One difference I have with this post’s theology is that it considers the Assumption of Mary “incongruent with Sacred Scripture”. For myself, I see no reason why - scripture is silent on the manner, and God has been known previously in scripture to take someone, so what is the problem?

OTOH, when they write: “Despite all this common ground, however, both Marian dogma and Marian devotion remain contentious issues. Evangelicals understand that the Catholic Church does not equate adoration of God (latria) and veneration for Mary (hyperdoulia). It seems to many Evangelicals, however, that the devotion of some Catholics to Mary can obscure the preeminence, unique sinlessness, and sole salvific sufficiency of Jesus Christ as well as the common pneumatological ground of worship for all Christians who pray “through Christ in the Spirit”, I think they understate the case.

I would LOVE to see Chuck Colson or JI Packer try to defend Papal descriptions of Mary as Spouse of the Holy Spirit, or explain why this Papal proclamation of the Queenship of Mary doesn’t cross the line:

http://www.ewtn.com/library/ENCYC/P12CAELI.HTM

Oh, and sorry wagglebee...I don’t do laughing dogs.


28 posted on 10/22/2009 12:54:15 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Petronski
Are you certain they don't mean this guy?

Maybe they just can't spell.

29 posted on 10/22/2009 12:55:16 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: netmilsmom

Have you heard? Chocoration has been increased to 25 grammes! Doubleplusgood news, that.


30 posted on 10/22/2009 12:55:43 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Mr Rogers

I give you tons of credit for coming onto this thread.
Understanding that you didn’t agree with the “God-Bearer” title on another thread, it’s great to see that it’s acceptable now.

“Queen of Heaven” is because there is no woman higher in Heaven and she is the mother of the King of Kings. Is the mother of a King a Queen? I’ve always heard it that way.

That’s my opinion.


31 posted on 10/22/2009 1:01:26 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: wagglebee

No, I’m saying that Mary will be the key building bridge by which the RCC will unite with Muslims.

There were several articles a few months ago from Catholic scholars that are pointing to that direction right now.

Does the thought of Catholicism embracing Muslims offend you?


32 posted on 10/22/2009 1:02:03 PM PDT by dartuser ("If you torture the data long enough, it will confess, even to crimes it did not commit")
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To: Petronski

I’m so glad I read “1984” at this point in history.


33 posted on 10/22/2009 1:04:04 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: dartuser; netmilsmom; Petronski; trisham
No, I’m saying that Mary will be the key building bridge by which the RCC will unite with Muslims.

In two thousand years the Catholic Church has not "united" with any organization.

There were several articles a few months ago from Catholic scholars that are pointing to that direction right now.

Do you have links because I very much doubt that any Catholic scholar is talking about the Church "uniting" with Islam as part of a "New World Order."

Does the thought of Catholicism embracing Muslims offend you?

Very much so.

The Catholic Church welcomes anyone who wants to embrace Catholicism; once the do that they are Catholics, they are no longer Muslims or Jews or Protestants or Pagans or whatever.

34 posted on 10/22/2009 1:08:11 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
The Catholic Church welcomes anyone who wants to embrace Catholicism; once the do that they are Catholics, they are no longer Muslims or Jews or Protestants or Pagans or whatever.

*********************

Amen, and well said wagglebee.

35 posted on 10/22/2009 1:12:05 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee
In two thousand years the Catholic Church has not "united" with any organization.

Wait!

Are you saying we're NOT uniting with Islam?

Drat! So then I won't be getting a jewel-encrusted scimitar?

I was promised a jewel-encrusted scimitar and I want it now!

36 posted on 10/22/2009 1:15:27 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski

I can’t even find a picture of that!


37 posted on 10/22/2009 1:30:10 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom

They’re custom-made, all hush-hush like, by an albino monk in the Alps.


38 posted on 10/22/2009 1:31:39 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski

Those Albino Monks are a problem.


39 posted on 10/22/2009 1:39:37 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom

Extraordinary craftsmanship...positively teeming with precious baubles and trinkets.


40 posted on 10/22/2009 1:42:13 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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