Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Are you ready for the ultimate pleasure?
Jewish World Review ^ | 10/23/'09 | Rabbi David Aaron

Posted on 10/23/2009 8:41:00 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator

The generations following the sin of Adam and Eve proceeded upon a path of moral degeneration. Cain, in a jealous rage, impulsively killed his brother Abel. In the next generation, Tuvel-Kain perfected the crime of Cain through manufacturing weapons. Then, Lemach boasted to his wives of committing pre-meditative murder. Idolatry flourished during the time of Enosh. Organized crime was established by a group of hoodlums called "The sons of El-ohim." Sexual perversion was rampant in Noah's generation.

Torah (Biblical) tradition teaches that there are three cardinal sins that a person should choose death rather than be forced to commit. They are: murder, idolatry, and sexual perversion. These offenses are the ultimate denial of G-d's love and the values that make life worth living. They are a complete violation of living within the context of G-d's oneness and love and therefore cut humanity off from the source and ground of life. In a span of just ten generations, humanity transgressed all three cardinal sins. This deterioration meant the destruction of the world. G-d decreed the Flood. "And G-d was saddened in His heart." What does this mean?

(Excerpt) Read more at jewishworldreview.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; History; Judaism; Theology
KEYWORDS: distraction; divinepresence; sin

1 posted on 10/23/2009 8:41:00 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Alouette; dervish; Yehuda; rmlew; Nachum; Ancesthntr; TorahTrueJew; NativeNewYorker; ...

Ping. Did I forget anyone?


2 posted on 10/23/2009 8:42:36 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayhi hageshem `al-ha'aretz; 'arba`im yom ve'arba`im laylah.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator
pre-meditative murder

So Lamech first murdered, and then meditated? Bless his heart, he must have felt much better!

Yeah, I know ... I'll go read the rest of the article, and I'm sure the author has made a number of good points.

3 posted on 10/23/2009 8:45:16 AM PDT by Tax-chick (God is great, and wine is good, and people are crazy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator

Sure enough - excellent article.


4 posted on 10/23/2009 8:47:59 AM PDT by Tax-chick (God is great, and wine is good, and people are crazy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator

Well it depends on whom you ask. One fellow said the ultimate pleasure was

“To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.”

Guy named Conan I think it was.


5 posted on 10/23/2009 8:57:51 AM PDT by tlb
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator

excerpt from link ... “This story is true for many of us. We must arouse within us the desire to receive what is truly worth wanting; what G-d wants to give us. We give G-d great pleasure, when we hunger to receive His gift of presence and all the blessings it entails. We then connect not only to G-d’s presence but also to our true self because our true self, the soul, is only interested in G-d. This is how King David so eloquently expressed it, “Whom have I in heaven but You? And besides You, I desire none on earth� As for me, G-d’s nearness is my good” (Psalm 73:25-28); “My soul thirsts for You, my flesh longs for You” (Psalms 63:2); “To G-d alone my soul waits silently, from Him comes my salvation.” (Psalms 62:2). “Yes, I will bless You all my life, in Your name I lift my hands. It is as if my desire is sated with fat and abundance, when with joyous language my mouth gives praise” (Psalms 63:5-6). In other words, to praise G-d and recognize His glory satiated King David like abundant delicacies.” __________________________________________________________ Praise the LORD.


6 posted on 10/23/2009 9:00:35 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator
They are: murder, idolatry, and sexual perversion. These offenses are the ultimate denial of G-d's love and the values that make life worth living. They are a complete violation of living within the context of G-d's oneness and love and therefore cut humanity off from the source and ground of life. In a span of just ten generations, humanity transgressed all three cardinal sins. This deterioration meant the destruction of the world. G-d decreed the Flood.

Look up!

YHvH is coming soon.

But first the destruction as in the Days of Noah.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
7 posted on 10/23/2009 9:01:06 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator

8 posted on 10/23/2009 9:03:28 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator

A giant son of an El-0-him


9 posted on 10/23/2009 9:04:57 AM PDT by frithguild (Can I drill your head now?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator
On a more serious note:

Torah (Biblical) tradition teaches that there are three cardinal sins that a person should choose death rather than be forced to commit. They are: murder, idolatry, and sexual perversion.

Not being a Jew, I don't understand why these were singled out over (to me) more important ones, like you should not have any other gods before Him, Love the Lord with all your heart, mind, and soul, love your neighbor.

It seems that the three singled out are based off of pride (as is all sin), so they don't seem any worse, or better, than the others.

Can you help me out?

10 posted on 10/23/2009 9:15:20 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce

I’m not Jewish, either, but as a reader, I would say that most of what you’ve mentioned is covered under “idolatry” in the author’s list. The New Testament, especially the letters of St. Paul, makes it clear that “idolatry” means putting anything created in the place that should be reserved for the Creator. It’s not just making a statue of Zeus and sacrificing to it, but making anything other than God the center of your life. St. Paul singles out “greed, which is idolatry,” for example.


11 posted on 10/23/2009 9:23:43 AM PDT by Tax-chick (God is great, and wine is good, and people are crazy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator
"What does this mean?"

It means there should be no Jews in the democrat party.

12 posted on 10/23/2009 9:24:51 AM PDT by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tax-chick
Thanks for the reply. I've been thinking along those same lines for quite a while now. If you look at the 10 Commandments, they are all (essentially) saying the same thing: each one prohibits greed in a certain area of one's life. Greed always comes back to pride.

So it seems to me that there is really only one sin--pride. Everything else is simply a manifestation of that pride.

13 posted on 10/23/2009 9:28:08 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: tlb

I thought it was juicy fruit gum.


14 posted on 10/23/2009 10:00:47 AM PDT by ichabod1 ( I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce
Not being a Jew, I don't understand why these were singled out over (to me) more important ones, like you should not have any other gods before Him, Love the Lord with all your heart, mind, and soul, love your neighbor.

1)Having other "gxds" before Him is idolatry.

2)These three sins are the ones one must die rather than commit. A guy pulls out a pistol, points it at you, and says "worship this idol or I'll kill you!" If a minyan is present, a Jew is supposed to die rather than do this.

A guy pulls out a gun, points it at you, and says "have illicit sex with me or I'll kill you!" Ditto.

A guy pulls out a gun, says "kill this person here or I will kill you! Ditto.

A guy pulls out a gun, points it at you, and says "stop loving your neighbor as yourself or I'll kill you!"

See the difference?

15 posted on 10/23/2009 10:31:10 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayhi hageshem `al-ha'aretz; 'arba`im yom ve'arba`im laylah.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: BubbaBasher
"What does this mean?"

It means there should be no Jews in the democrat party.

Lol! Too true!

16 posted on 10/23/2009 10:32:21 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayhi hageshem `al-ha'aretz; 'arba`im yom ve'arba`im laylah.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator
Actually, I don't see the difference. All of those are playing on the common impulse to protect ourselves. That impulse is pride. Every sin consists of pride.
17 posted on 10/23/2009 10:55:24 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce
Actually, I don't see the difference. All of those are playing on the common impulse to protect ourselves. That impulse is pride. Every sin consists of pride.

I'm sorry, but you're caught up in the abstract idea of sin and are missing the point. Judaism is a legalistic, statutory religion, not an overly-philosophical and abstract one. The idea of dying rather than committing a sin isn't a pretty piety but a legal requirement in the three cases mentioned above, while (for example) surrendering one's life rather than eating pork is not.

May I ask how the person pointing the gun at you would know whether or not you have indeed stopped loving your neighbor as yourself as opposed to, say, killing someone? Is ceasing to love one's neighbor as oneself a capital offense? How would one obtain witnesses to such a thing? No, such things as the command to love one's fellow as oneself are reserved to the judgment of Heaven alone. The requirement to surrender one's life rather than transgress one of the three cardinal sins is a very real world idea and may be easily enforced by the court.

I'm sure to you the prohibition of idolatry is also a pretty, abstract piety, but Jewish Law has to legally define just what consists of idolatry and when an act constitutes a capital offense for which one may be executed by the court. It is defined as performing before any idol actions associated with its worship or performing one of the four acts of worship reserved for the Holy Temple in Jerusalem. If one performs an act of "worship" before an idol that is neither part of its form of worship or reserved for the worship of G-d in the Temple, then "idolatry" has not taken place.

Chr*stians, with their rejection of statutory religion and their heads in the clouds, don't seem to understand these things. It all goes to show how far from Torah chr*stianity truly is.

18 posted on 10/23/2009 11:53:16 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayhi hageshem `al-ha'aretz; 'arba`im yom ve'arba`im laylah.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator
OK. Thanks for the explanation.

I was under the impression that Judaism was a lot like Christianity in that the object was a relationship with God, rather than "merely" following rules He set down.

I know there are a lot of rules in there, but I was looking at the OT and I realized that God created Man with only one rule--don't eat the fruit. Then, after the Flood, He had to lay down 10 rules. Then the flood of new rules to help people keep the Law came into being--usually from the ruling religious class of the day.

I honestly had not realized that the rules themselves became the object of devotion as opposed to God.

I just re-read this post before posting it. I realize it sounds condescending. I'm not trying to sound condescending--really. I'm just not sure how else to phrase it.

19 posted on 10/23/2009 12:06:14 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce
OK. Thanks for the explanation.

I was under the impression that Judaism was a lot like Christianity in that the object was a relationship with God, rather than "merely" following rules He set down.

I know there are a lot of rules in there, but I was looking at the OT and I realized that God created Man with only one rule--don't eat the fruit. Then, after the Flood, He had to lay down 10 rules. Then the flood of new rules to help people keep the Law came into being--usually from the ruling religious class of the day.

I honestly had not realized that the rules themselves became the object of devotion as opposed to God.

I just re-read this post before posting it. I realize it sounds condescending. I'm not trying to sound condescending--really. I'm just not sure how else to phrase it.

Please forgive my frustration and my uncalled-for insult of chr*stianity (perhaps I have the tendency to do that because I used to be a chr*stian and can't see why others can't understand what I have come to understand).

As I said, the requirement to sacrifice one's life rather than violate the three cardinal sins is a very real legal requirement, not a sweet-sounding proverb.

Jewish legal codes do not discuss the fate of the soul in the World-to-Come but what constitutes an offense punishable by the Halakhic courts and what those punishments are. For example, if asked the penalty for adultery you might say "eternal damnation" whereas a Jew would say "death by stoning" (for non-Jews in Noachide Law it is death by the sword). What happens afterward to the soul of the one who has been stoned is not discussed in these legal codes but in more mystical literature. The requirement to die rather than commit idolatry, murder, or forbidden sexual sins is legal statute, not mysticism.

Judaism teaches that each human being has a relationship with G-d. He is the Creator, Master, and Father of us all. We don't have to do anything to bring this relationship about . . . it just is. Whether we progress on that relationship or not, or, G-d forbid, ignore or reject it, is up to us. Judaism does not teach that there are two "gods," a Good one and an "evil" one, that the "evil gxd" took over the world and is now its "gxd," and that all human beings are born under the "lxrdship" of this "evil gxd" until they "pass from nature to grace" as does chr*stianity. This is because in Judaism there is only One G-d and Satan is merely one of G-d's angels doing his job--not a "fallen angel" or enemy of G-d.

Be well.

20 posted on 10/23/2009 12:16:00 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayhi hageshem `al-ha'aretz; 'arba`im yom ve'arba`im laylah.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator

Hi ZC,
This is why we are in the *last Days*

We are that generation living like those in Noach’s Day.


21 posted on 10/23/2009 5:43:54 PM PDT by TaraP (*Religion* is Man trying to reach GOD.Christ is GOD reaching out to Man.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator

Well ZC the Torah was never meant for gentiles...
But seeking the wisdom of GOD in TOrah should be the goal of all people, yet GOD does not see it as a requirement for gentiles...


22 posted on 10/23/2009 5:48:35 PM PDT by TaraP (*Religion* is Man trying to reach GOD.Christ is GOD reaching out to Man.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: tlb
Guy named Conan I think it was

He worked at my local library. We called him "Conan the Grammarian."

23 posted on 10/23/2009 5:49:11 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: ShadowAce
"It seems that the three singled out are based off of pride (as is all sin), so they don't seem any worse, or better, than the others."

You might enjoy CS Lewis's Mere Christianity. I'm not saying you'll find him in agreement or disagreement with you, but that you'd probably have a completely different perspective on your question afterwards :-)

24 posted on 10/23/2009 5:58:04 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator

ZC,
Why would GOD choose a evil angel to do his work?

I do not mean this dis-respectfully, but more people today are abandoning a belief in GOD because they hate him, I am told that constantly by Atheists, they don’t believe he exists and they hate the GOD of the Jews Christians and Muslims and blame those religions for all the suffering death and persecution that has gone on in the world....

How would you go about defending GOD to people that want nothing to do with him by saying Satan is doing GOD’s work?

I respect Judaism very much and believe it is the Jews who have brought Salvation to mankind by embracing monotheism and as a Christian by the Messiah who was to come through the Jews....

What I see today is people in droves leaving religion to embrace atheism, secularism and liberalism and I see religion fading away, you can see that happening in Europe.

The only hope I see in such a evil world today is conversion of the spirit, letting Jesus touch there heart, otherwise I don’t see how you think religion will last in the current world we live in....


25 posted on 10/23/2009 5:59:30 PM PDT by TaraP (*Religion* is Man trying to reach GOD.Christ is GOD reaching out to Man.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator

Moses says there were three that sinned in the Garden. Ezekiel says that the king of Tyrus was in the Garden.


26 posted on 10/23/2009 6:08:45 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TaraP
ZC,
Why would GOD choose a evil angel to do his work?

Did I say he was an evil angel? I said he's one of G-d's angels and he does his job(s).

I do not mean this dis-respectfully, but more people today are abandoning a belief in GOD because they hate him, I am told that constantly by Atheists, they don’t believe he exists and they hate the GOD of the Jews Christians and Muslims and blame those religions for all the suffering death and persecution that has gone on in the world....

How would you go about defending GOD to people that want nothing to do with him by saying Satan is doing GOD’s work?

On the contrary, how do people who don't believe in G-d defend their belief that "good" and "evil" exist without a G-d to define them and proclaim what falls in each category?

I respect Judaism very much and believe it is the Jews who have brought Salvation to mankind by embracing monotheism and as a Christian by the Messiah who was to come through the Jews....

I'm sure you do, though from the Jewish perspective chr*stianity and its concept of salvation are seriously in error.

What I see today is people in droves leaving religion to embrace atheism, secularism and liberalism and I see religion fading away, you can see that happening in Europe.

That doesn't means there's an "evil angel" out there rebelling against G-d. It means there are evil human beings out there rebelling against G-d.

The only hope I see in such a evil world today is conversion of the spirit, letting Jesus touch there heart, otherwise I don’t see how you think religion will last in the current world we live in....

As I said, from the Jewish viewpoint chr*stianity is in error and J*sus was not and is not the messiah. I don't understand why you don't think HaShem Himself can touch people's hearts. But they have free will, and how they respond is up to them.

27 posted on 10/24/2009 5:20:21 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Va'avarekhah mevarekheykha umeqallelkha 'a'or; venivrekhu vekha kol mishpechot ha'adamah.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Just mythoughts
Moses says there were three that sinned in the Garden. Ezekiel says that the king of Tyrus was in the Garden.

In addition to being the actual tempter of Eve, the Nachash also represents the yetzer hara`, the evil inclination. The King of Tyre and others like him certainly allowed themselves to be led by this inclination.

The Torah has a higher authority than the Prophets and the latter must always be interpreted in the light of the Torah. And in the Torah, there is no evil counterpart of G-d (G-d forbid!).

28 posted on 10/24/2009 5:24:18 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Va'avarekhah mevarekheykha umeqallelkha 'a'or; venivrekhu vekha kol mishpechot ha'adamah.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator

Hi ZC,

Still do not understand what you mean by Satan is doing the work for GOD????

GOD Hashem as you say is a GOD of rules and of course Love but the penalty for breaking GOD’s commandment is death....

GOD does not say that he forgives man’s disobedience by a slap on the wrist, also the Jews atone for there sins, (Yom Kippur) are you saying gentiles are given a free pass with Hashem for there dis-obedience?

Just trying to understand your perspective...


29 posted on 10/24/2009 6:52:43 PM PDT by TaraP (*Religion* is Man trying to reach GOD.Christ is GOD reaching out to Man.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: TaraP
Still do not understand what you mean by Satan is doing the work for GOD????

You prefer to believe that there is an evil counterpart of of G-d out there? If that were the case there wouldn't be One G-d; there'd be two.

Evil would not exist if G-d had not created the worlds and chose to continue to exist Alone, but He chose to create. He could have created only spiritual worlds, but He created our lowest physical world as well. He could have not created a creature with free will but did so. He could have chosen not to endow this creature with both a good and an evil inclination but He did so. He could have chosen not to give this creature any laws to obey. But He did all these things, and all these things lead to at least the possibility of evil.

As a Fundamentalist chr*stian you are used to thinking in terms of a gigantic cosmic war between G-d and his "evil enemy," but there is no such war and there is no such enemy. There is only us with the free will to obey the commandments G-d has given us or to disobey them--and the fact that the evil inclination we were created with in the beginning raged out of control after the sin in the garden.

You have always thought that Judaism is merely the first stage of chr*stianity, but it is not. It is very different. And I'm afraid you will never be able to fit Judaism into an alien (and pagan) dualistic system.

I don't mean any of these things in rancor. I'm just being honest with you. If it's any comfort, I used to believe as you do. It takes a while to understand and to stop projecting chr*stianity into the TaNa"KH.

30 posted on 10/24/2009 7:04:13 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Va'avarekhah mevarekheykha umeqallelkha 'a'or; venivrekhu vekha kol mishpechot ha'adamah.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator

ZC,
No I don’t believe that..I believe Satan is one of GOD’s rebellious Angels..I assume GOD could of destroyed him if he chose to do so, but I think he wanted human beings to have free will and come to know him not by force but by our free will to do so...GOD is eternal so before Judaism, before the first human beings were created, GOD was dealing with rebellious angels and Satan...

I am not a fundamentalist Christian, I am a Christian non-denominational and I try to do what Jesus commands first to Love GOD with all my heart my soul and mind and to love my neighbor as myself.... I do think that GOD wants all people to try and adhere to all of his laws in Torah but GOD knows most people won’t.....Judaism is a religion that is built on a belief in a Monotheistic GOD, it based on a cultural and ethnic bond that many Jews have with each other, and traditions of family and history, and I more than respect that....I just think without Jesus Christ Gentiles would be more evil and hate the Jews more than they do today...

An Orthodox Rabbi said that the USA is a Christian Nation because it is the only country that does welcome the Jews...

I hope you see the GOOD of the Christian Faith....


31 posted on 10/24/2009 7:37:51 PM PDT by TaraP (*Religion* is Man trying to reach GOD.Christ is GOD reaching out to Man.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator
In addition to being the actual tempter of Eve, the Nachash also represents the yetzer hara`, the evil inclination. The King of Tyre and others like him certainly allowed themselves to be led by this inclination. The Torah has a higher authority than the Prophets and the latter must always be interpreted in the light of the Torah. And in the Torah, there is no evil counterpart of G-d (G-d forbid!).

Of course the evil one is not the counterpart of the Heavenly Father as when the evil one was created he was not created evil. IT was because of his beauty and intellect he decided he would replace the Heavenly Father.

And as Moses says that there two trees in the midst of the garden. The tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. That evil came about between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 and is why this earth became without form and void and flooded.

Ezekiel names the tree of the knowledge of good and evil when he says that the king of Tyrus was in the Garden. Actually the promise to Abram came long before the law and it is still being fulfilled to this day.

32 posted on 10/25/2009 3:12:13 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: TaraP

Satan is not in rebellion against G-d. He is doing the job(s) G-d assigned him.


33 posted on 10/25/2009 7:37:14 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Va'avarekhah mevarekheykha umeqallelkha 'a'or; venivrekhu vekha kol mishpechot ha'adamah.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Just mythoughts
Of course the evil one is not the counterpart of the Heavenly Father as when the evil one was created he was not created evil. IT was because of his beauty and intellect he decided he would replace the Heavenly Father.

This is chr*stian doctrine from the "new testament." This is not the Jewish understanding nor is it in the Hebrew Bible.

I have no objections to chr*stians who hold to chr*stian doctrine (otherwise, why be a chr*stian at all?). I only object to the insistence that the Hebrew Bible teaches chr*stian doctrine.

34 posted on 10/25/2009 7:42:13 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Va'avarekhah mevarekheykha umeqallelkha 'a'or; venivrekhu vekha kol mishpechot ha'adamah.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson