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Could Aliens Actually be Fallen Angels?
http://home.flash.net/~manniac/fallen.htm ^

Posted on 10/25/2009 5:37:25 AM PDT by Ancient Drive

I think that to completely dismiss the "alien" abductions and UFO sightings is just not very intelligent. The truth is that SOME

THING is doing these things. People have their unborne babies taken with no trace. People awake with peices of symetrical metal under their skin with no visible mark. People have thousands of hours of UFO videos, of which SOME are quite legitimate. There have been millions who have said they've been abducted. I highly doubt that every single one is lying. Even if just 5 people are telling the truth then there IS somthing "out there".

As a Christian I find no evidence in the Bible that God created any other forms of life not on Earth. But then how do you explain the alien phenomenom?

What is it that's abducting people, performing surgical tests, doing genetic testing, etc..? You could say that the gov't has bred hybrid human life forms that do this, but that seems unlikely. Maybe though, Im not throwing that theory away altogether.

I strongly beleive that the Bible is full of explanations as to what these "aliens" really are. The word alien simply means not of this planet. Therefor God is an alien. And so is another creation of his. The only thing he created besides us humans. Angels. Way back in time Lucifer tried to attain God's level of power. He was cast out of heavan along with 1/3 of all the angels(the ones who followed Lucifer). Him and his followers were cast into what the Bible calls the "Third Heavan". The third heavan is simply the universe. Space, the sky around the earth, etc.../

Contrary to most people's beleif, Satan was NOT cast into hell. He was cast into the 3rd heavan. He was also given the title, "Prince of the Power of the Air". The bible says that he and his fallen angels inhabit the 3rd heavan, or our universe.

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2 Thes 2:9-Even him (refering to AntiChrist), whose coming is after the working of Satan withall power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, thatthey might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie...

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Along with this passage it is said that one of the AntiChrists first miracles to attempt to persuade the people of his power will be to call fire from the sky. This could be taken several ways since Revelation is highly symbolic, but it COULD represent the AntiChrist(who IS satan) calling HIS fallen angels(the aliens) out and into the open. Imagine if Hitler at the height of his power had called down a fleet of millions of aliens complete with UFOs. What if he claimed to have direct relations with them and said that together with these aliens the human race would go into the future. More than likely MANY people, even non-Nazis, would follow Hitler like a god. This I beleive is just what the AC will do.

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We wrestle not with flesh and blood, but with principalities and powers, with wicked spirits in high places, literally, "in the heavens" "in the aerial regions" Eph.6:12

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Luke 21...and there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth will be anxiety of nations with bewilderment, of sound, of sea and of surf, men fainting at heart from fear and expecting of the things which are coming on the earth. For the powers, the dominions of the heavens will be shaken.

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Also notice the description of a huge army led by Satan in Revelation 9. It says that this army were like locusts with the face of men. Imagine for a second what a locust head with a humanoid face on it would look like...

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"God promised that a descendant of Eve's would crush satan(a foreshadow of Jesus). Now if you were Satan, and you wanted to prevent this, what would you do?

Hmmm...

Pollute the bloodline, perhaps?

"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days - and also afterward - when the sons of God(those God had created, the fallen angels here) went to the daughters of men and had children by them'So the Lord said, I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth ... for I am grieved that I have made them.' But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord." Genesis 6:4-8

"Noah was the only one who had not been affected by the apparent sexual and genetic experiments carried out by these fallen angels. ALSO, in the New Testament it says that "AS in the days of NOAH, so to shall the coming of the son of man(Jesus' 2nd Coming) be."

Excerpted from "Come Sail Away" by Guy Malone http://www.AlienResistance.org Roswell NM

The scripture above tells a part of what it was like in the days of Noah. Notice too that the whole alien abduction frenzy didn't start until the late 1940's, when Israel became a nation. Israel becoming a nation is the single most significant prophecy that has been fuflfilled. For thousands of years there was no Israel. Then in the late 40's Israel became a nation.

ALSO: PER CAPITA the country with the most abduction accounts is Israel. The US has the most, but per capita its Israel. That is significant.

99.9% of people in the world beleive that these "things" are aliens from another planet, that is IF they even beleive in them. A VERY few think that they are actually the fallen angels of the Bible. The AntiChrist would have an easy time convincing people of his authority if he were to call down fleets of UFO's from the sky.

The fact that most people beleive they are aliens and not fallen angels would present the AntiChrist with an incredible oppourtunity to deceive.

Given the evidence above, I would like to know what you all think now. And really consider it...

-Sean Cannon

Here's something written by Jim Gregg in response to this article-

Indeed, the fallen angels are quite busy trying to undermine God's creation. Originally, all angels were created by God to carry out the specifics of terra-forming all those planets that were and will be inhabited in the future. Angels are not married, nor are they given in marriage. So, angels are created without all the aggressions we have (They don't need all those troublesome hormones we have). We were created a little lower than the angels, it says. They all have their specific areas of purpose. some will handle the garden while others will attend to the development and placement of humankind on inhabitable planets. But, all those angels (who remained with God) continue happily to obey God. Satan is the author of the flying saucer. They must sit back and laugh at the mysticism that humans stir up among themselves. There is, without a doubt, life like we humans abounding in the universe. Scientists would be surprised at the commonality of life.....But they would be mostly amazed at the quantity of it. The fact that other planets are inhabited does not disprove God...It proves it all the more. God continues this very minute to create new planets, to harvest those that are ready to be harvested....and most amazingly to me provides the way to salvage all his creation back to himself. It's true about Jesus. He and He alone is the key to our salvation. It's the same every where in the universe. But be careful to put things into perspective....God calls us sheep. We have our puspose in creation also. We can understand all mysteries and have knowledge of all that is contained in creation and know the purpose of it all....But without love the Bible says that we are like a clanging symbol. Our ultimate purpose is to obey God....and that's the undebateable, indisputeable truth.>/P>

Thanks, Jim Gregg.


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1 posted on 10/25/2009 5:37:25 AM PDT by Ancient Drive
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To: Quix

Important ping!!!


2 posted on 10/25/2009 5:39:25 AM PDT by Lazamataz (DEFINITION: rac-ist (rA'sis't) 1. Anyone who disagrees with a liberal about any topic.)
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To: Ancient Drive
Wonder if they look like Alice Faye?


3 posted on 10/25/2009 5:39:47 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (This tagline excerpted. To read more, click on MyOverratedBlog.com)
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To: Ancient Drive
As a Christian I find no evidence in the Bible that God created any other forms of life not on Earth.

As if God owes you a full accounting of his actions.

Human arrogance....on display.

4 posted on 10/25/2009 5:40:48 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Ancient Drive

Most people who believe in aliens are also unsaved by the grace of God by faith in the finished atoning work of the Lord Jesus Christ; who created the heavens and the earth and all that dwell therein.


6 posted on 10/25/2009 5:43:56 AM PDT by kindred (In the beginning, God created the heavens in the earth. Jesus is God our Saviour.)
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To: Larry Lucido
Well she doesn't look like the type who could bugger little boys in the initiation rite*, so I suppose not.





*Ask Quix, if you dare.

7 posted on 10/25/2009 5:44:11 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Erik Latranyi

It’s not me that wrote the article...


8 posted on 10/25/2009 5:44:43 AM PDT by Ancient Drive (DRINK COFFEE! - Do Stupid Things Faster with More Energy!)
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To: Ancient Drive

The loons are about.


9 posted on 10/25/2009 5:45:31 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: kindred

Perhaps they have a better chance to be saved by the aliens than Jesus?


10 posted on 10/25/2009 5:45:40 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Ancient Drive
It’s not me that wrote the article...

I know, my post is directed at the author.

11 posted on 10/25/2009 5:46:41 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Lazamataz

Headofa pin!!!


12 posted on 10/25/2009 5:47:22 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: Ancient Drive
By the time BamaKennedy and his wrecking crew get finished with US most will welcome something out of this ‘earth’ to come and save US.
13 posted on 10/25/2009 5:53:17 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: shibumi

*Out here on the perimeter there are no stars* ping


14 posted on 10/25/2009 5:54:51 AM PDT by Salamander ("Welcome to my nightmare.....I think you're gonna like it")
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To: Ancient Drive
As a Christian I find no evidence in the Bible that God created any other forms of life not on Earth.

The author must have meant non-angelic forms of life.

15 posted on 10/25/2009 5:56:20 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (For good judgment ask...What would Obama do? Then do the opposite!)
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To: Ancient Drive

IF we actually had proof of “aliens,” and were I Satan, passing them off as fallen angels would be a device I would use to distract humanity from God and Jesus.

The objects themselves and even the topic would form as a sort of idolatry.


16 posted on 10/25/2009 5:57:22 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (I'd rather be a teabagger than an ankle-grabber.)
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To: Petronski; Quix; Larry Lucido; kindred

Looking at post #6 it seems two of our protestant brothers (kindred and Quix) will have extremely divergent interpretations on aliens based on their personal biblical scholarship...would love to watch them discuss the biblical proofs of their positions...waiting.


17 posted on 10/25/2009 6:09:33 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: big'ol_freeper
...would love to watch them discuss the biblical proofs of their positions...waiting.

As Greys will.

18 posted on 10/25/2009 6:13:30 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Ancient Drive

I think it is possible.

You would love my friend’s book, called “Blood Toys” -
http://tinyurl.com/ylhjtmb


19 posted on 10/25/2009 6:18:29 AM PDT by Ted (http://sinema7.net)
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To: Ancient Drive
A better answer, IMHO,
comes from C.S. Lewis

Read the Space Trilogy

- Out of the Silent Planet
- Peralandra
- That Hideous Strength

It discusses a “Cosmology” where
Earth is a war zone and
we are in the occupied territory of fallen angels

20 posted on 10/25/2009 6:31:38 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Ancient Drive
As a Christian I find no evidence in the Bible that God created any other forms of life not on Earth.

What if he did but just didn't tell us about it?


21 posted on 10/25/2009 6:39:25 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Hope....Change...Bullsh*t)
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To: Ancient Drive

22 posted on 10/25/2009 6:46:53 AM PDT by Peter Horry (Those who aren't responsible always know best.)
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To: Ancient Drive

I don’t have any problem with their being ‘aliens’ or other life forms. And I don’t remember anywhere in the Bible where it says ‘earth’ and it’s solar system was the only creation of God. After all, he was a master scientist.

I do think that labelling ‘aliens’ as being ‘fallen’ angels is a little bit of stretch as we have no clue where they came from. I also think that when God’s ready for the universe to diversify itself he will allow it, but good Lord, earthlings have a long way to go before we’re ready.

I mean, c’mon...we have neighbors on our streets that we eyeball as suspicious characters because we have never spoken to them before. Drop an ‘alien’ into that scenario and an innocent Martian would be hacked to death in seconds!

I think God warned us in several chapters about dealing with ‘spirits’ that are or are not ‘of God’. As for me, I’ll just wait until HE decides to reveal all his creations and not vest that authority in man.


23 posted on 10/25/2009 6:50:18 AM PDT by RowdyFFC (Nancy Pelosi...please deny her any health care....)
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To: HangnJudge

bump


24 posted on 10/25/2009 7:02:28 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: Erik Latranyi

As if God owes you a full accounting of his actions

I am so glad God doesn’t have to account to man of his actions. “I am God, I will choose whom I will choose”.
Accounting to man would be as making man an equal to God Himself.
We as man have done such a great job to this planet and to it’s people, haven’t we?... especially in the last century.
So, God is still in control, and I praise Him for salvation through His Son Jesus Christ, who washes away all my filthy sins’ through his precious blood that fell to the earth when the Roman’s pierced his side. And, the suffering on the Cross, he bare for me.


25 posted on 10/25/2009 7:18:09 AM PDT by buck61
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To: Ancient Drive

There must have been a full moon last night.


26 posted on 10/25/2009 7:18:42 AM PDT by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: Ancient Drive

This also begs the question; could fallen angels really be aliens?


27 posted on 10/25/2009 7:24:06 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: big'ol_freeper

Whether you accept it or not, there are some reasons to view the “alien” phenomenon in this manner, from a Christian point of view.

Anyone who has taken the time to research Biblical passages pertaining to the pre-flood world will eventually end up with a few non-canonical books such as Enoch I, that tell the tale.

It’s very strange, reads like a modern scifi novel in parts. But, the conclusion that Noah, perfect in his generations as he was, was saved along with his family and breeding pairs of every kind of animal, due to nearly all Creation on Earth being corrupted by these beings, is difficult to avoid.

Then, going to prophectic passages in the Bible ... as in the days of Noah, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.

All manner of weirdness has sprung up around this, as you might expect. But, the basic belief is not just pulled out of thin air, and finds some validity in ancient Biblical and extra-Biblical texts.


28 posted on 10/25/2009 7:25:19 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

It is also interesting that fragments of the Book of Enoch were part of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Translations abound on the internet.


29 posted on 10/25/2009 7:38:20 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (For good judgment ask...What would Obama do? Then do the opposite!)
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To: Natural Law

My question is, why would someone want to believe they’ve been ‘’abducted’’ or ‘’taken aboard a spaceship’’? Must be something missing in their lives. And I’ve often wondered if UFOs really do exsist and there are these super-intelligent beings why is that when they come here rather landing on the White House lawn or some place important they introduce themselves to stupid people, farmers out in the middle of no where or some old coot living in a shack some place.


30 posted on 10/25/2009 7:45:34 AM PDT by JoeMac ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!'' Popeye The SailorMan)
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To: Salamander; Markos33

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3yVHz2s1kw


31 posted on 10/25/2009 7:47:32 AM PDT by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: Ancient Drive

bm


32 posted on 10/25/2009 7:50:34 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

It’s important to distinguish between the Ethiopic Enoch or Enoch I, and the later Slavonic Enoch or Enoch II. Fragments of the Ethiopic Enoch were found in the caves at Qumran among the Dead Sea Scrolls. I’m not aware of this being the case for the Slavonic, so “authenticity” is suspect. The translation most widely available is Charlesworth, and some deem it inferior. There are later translations made with the aid of these fragments.

For historical, Biblical context, Enoch was a seventh generation descendant of Adam and Eve, in the line of Seth, according to the “begats.” He was 65 years old when Methuselah was born, and was revered in his days as a prophet in his own right.


33 posted on 10/25/2009 7:52:43 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Lazamataz

thx thx.

a rash of such threads lately.


34 posted on 10/25/2009 8:03:51 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

It really makes one wonder.....


35 posted on 10/25/2009 8:06:36 AM PDT by Lazamataz (DEFINITION: rac-ist (rA'sis't) 1. Anyone who disagrees with a liberal about any topic.)
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To: Lazamataz

I never limit the power and scope of god........if he could create us, who knows what else he could have created.


36 posted on 10/25/2009 8:10:54 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Ancient Drive; Alamo-Girl; airborne; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; annieokie; aragorn; ...

END TIMES & UFO PING LIST PINGS

VERY GOOD NARRATIVE . . . except for poor paragraphing [probably because of the stray lingering html paragraph code left near the end of it . . . . of the last chunk leaves many not reading it . . . I’ll redo it:

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Here’s something written by Jim Gregg in response to this article-

Indeed, the fallen angels are quite busy trying to undermine God’s creation. Originally, all angels were created by God to carry out the specifics of terra-forming all those planets that were and will be inhabited in the future.

Angels are not married, nor are they given in marriage. So, angels are created without all the aggressions we have (They don’t need all those troublesome hormones we have).

We were created a little lower than the angels, it says. They all have their specific areas of purpose. some will handle the garden while others will attend to the development and placement of humankind on inhabitable planets.

But, all those angels (who remained with God) continue happily to obey God. Satan is the author of the flying saucer. They must sit back and laugh at the mysticism that humans stir up among themselves.

There is, without a doubt, life like we humans abounding in the universe. Scientists would be surprised at the commonality of life.....But they would be mostly amazed at the quantity of it. The fact that other planets are inhabited does not disprove God...It proves it all the more.

God continues this very minute to create new planets, to harvest those that are ready to be harvested....and most amazingly to me provides the way to salvage all his creation back to himself.

It’s true about Jesus. He and He alone is the key to our salvation. It’s the same every where in the universe. But be careful to put things into perspective....God calls us sheep. We have our puspose in creation also. We can understand all mysteries and have knowledge of all that is contained in creation and know the purpose of it all....But without love the Bible says that we are like a clanging symbol.

Our ultimate purpose is to obey God....and that’s the undebateable, indisputeable truth.

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37 posted on 10/25/2009 8:15:01 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: kindred

Most people?

I’ve never seen any research on that, at all.

80% or so of the populace believes such exists.

I don’t think a Salvation relationship with Christ has any correlation with belief in aliens one way or the other.

I suspect that Pentecostals have a higher percentage of folks who think they are satanic OR who don’t believe in them at all, however.


38 posted on 10/25/2009 8:18:13 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Petronski

Please keep up Petronski.

The higher councils of the globalist elite are evidently men entirely. It is “MEN” (using the term loosely) who do the buggering in the initiation right . . . with a purported intense demonic involvement that gives all there a great ‘thrill’ and a much closer feeling to satan himself.

I gather you still think the globalists are nice environmentalists, Petronski?


39 posted on 10/25/2009 8:21:14 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: onedoug

Yes, the rabidly ignorant naysaying cliques have tended to assault these threads a lot recently.

Or maybe it’s the government disinfo agents are hard up for work and doing all they can to get in a little overtime.


40 posted on 10/25/2009 8:22:37 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Just mythoughts

By the time BamaKennedy and his wrecking crew get finished with US most will welcome something out of this ‘earth’ to come and save US.

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There’s some deliberateness, premeditation in setting it up that way.


41 posted on 10/25/2009 8:23:57 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: RegulatorCountry
I have read and reread the Michael Knibbs translation of Enoch I, but haven't read Charlesworth yet (IIRC it is not available free online yet).

I have wondered how much the two translation might differ (if at all).

Can you comment on any differences between the two?

For anyone interested, here is a link to the online translation of Enoch I by Knibbs...

A Modern English Translation of the Ethiopian Book of Enoch

42 posted on 10/25/2009 8:24:33 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (For good judgment ask...What would Obama do? Then do the opposite!)
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To: Quix

I gather you still think that UFO garbage you post is rational, Quix?


43 posted on 10/25/2009 8:24:46 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

INDEED.


44 posted on 10/25/2009 8:25:12 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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45 posted on 10/25/2009 8:27:48 AM PDT by GOPyouth (Obama doesn't support it, except when he does.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

WOOP WOOP.

You might wait a long time.

Scripture is mostly silent. Arguing from silence, as Walter Martin asserted . . . is a foolish exercise.

On the other hand, Guy Malone’s research

available at

http://www.ANCIENTofDAYS.net

is quite scholarly and conclusive, imho . . . his panel’s analsysis of Genesis and other passages convinces me . . . somewhat reluctantly that all of them currently known for flitting about . . . are fallen angels.

Certainly that’s what they act like. They are NOT God’s angels. They ARE in cahoots with satan toward establishing the global government.

Given that last point, it does NOT MATTER if they are citizens of distant planets or fallen angels or a mixture.


46 posted on 10/25/2009 8:29:37 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Ancient Drive
An excellent recent in-depth study of this issue is Lights in the Sky and Little Green Men: a Rational Christian Look at Ufos and Extraterrestrrials, by Ross, Clark and Samples. Here is a synopsis from memory.

After eliminating rational explanations for 95% or so of UFO reports, there remains residual UFOs (RUFOs). The challenge is to explain these.

Interstellar travel is shown to be practically impossible, thus eliminating extraterrestrial explanations.

RUFOs exhibit the ability to defy the laws of physics in various ways, which argues strongly for a demonic (fallen angel) explanation.

Additionally, the authors conclude that one's self-exposure to occult practices permits this access by demons.

47 posted on 10/25/2009 8:29:49 AM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God is, and (2) God is good?)
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To: Petronski

as greys will . . .

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Ahhhhh Petronski, y’all do NOT REALLY NEED to display total ignorance about greys, TOOOOOOOOO!


48 posted on 10/25/2009 8:30:56 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: reagan_fanatic

INDEED.


49 posted on 10/25/2009 8:32:10 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
Imagine that: you claim I'm ignorant of your paranoid fantasies and somehow I'm the one with a problem.
50 posted on 10/25/2009 8:33:04 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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