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Is Obama the Antichrist ? (VIDEO purports to show that Christ was referring to our President)
Christian Post ^ | Dr. Daniel B. Wallace

Posted on 10/25/2009 8:39:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

More than one Christian friend has suggested to me, in all seriousness, that President Obama is the Antichrist. I haven’t taken such suggestions too seriously, but recently a video has shown up on Youtube that seems to claim that Jesus identified Obama as the Antichrist. Some Christians have been startled by this (and the video is wildly popular) and believe that the evidence is compelling. The video is found here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK_zh-X21f0

The anonymous narrator introduces his provocative four-minute video by asking if Jesus identified the name of the Antichrist, then says, “I will report the facts; you can decide” (reminiscent of Greta Van Susteren’s tagline on her show on Fox News). The narrator then notes that in Luke 10.18, Jesus says, “And he said unto them, I beheld Satan falling from the heavens.”

He then begins to link several hypotheses together. First, he claims that Luke 10.18 was written originally in Greek, but that Jesus spoke these words in Aramaic, “which is the most ancient form of Hebrew.” Second, he observes that the Old Testament was written in Hebrew and claims that the Aramaic that Jesus spoke would have been quite similar to the Hebrew that is spoken today and, presumably, similar to the Hebrew of the Old Testament. Third, he then says that Jesus spoke these words in Hebrew, and retranslates the text as follows: “I saw Satan falling as lightning from the heights, or from the heavens.” Fourth, he discusses the Hebrew words for ‘lightning’ and ‘heights.’ He notes that the word for ‘lightning’ is baraq. Fifth, he claims that Isaiah is the source of the Christian understanding of Satan or ‘Lucifer’ (Isa 14.12 in the KJV). Sixth, Isa 14.14 has Satan say, “I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the Most High.” Seventh, the Hebrew word in Isa 14.14 for ‘heights’ is bamaw, and this is surely what ‘heavens’ means in Luke 10.18. Eighth, the Hebrew letter waw is sometimes transliterated as a u or o. Ninth, the waw is used in Hebrew as a conjunction. Tenth, in Hebrew poetry baraq obamah literally is translated “lightning and the heights” or “lightning from the heights.” Eleventh, if Jesus’ words in Luke 10.18 were spoken in Hebrew by a Jewish Rabbi today he would say, “And I saw Satan as baraq ubamah.” He concludes his narration by asking, “Did Jesus reveal the name of the Antichrist? I report; you decide.” There is a disclaimer at the end of the video that simply says the correlation is striking, but not that the narrator is claiming that the President is the Antichrist.

This video was followed up by another by the same narrator. You can see it here :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDRl3QNkExA

It essentially argues the same point, but changes a couple of points (without warrant).

What can we say about these videos and the linguistic argument used? Of the eleven points noted above, the fourth and eighth are the only ones that are indisputable: the Hebrew word for lightning is baraq; and the waw is sometimes transliterated as a u or o. The seventh point comes close to being correct: the Hebrew word for height is bamah, but the plural is used in Isa 14.14, bamot (pronounced baw-moat). As for the rest of the points, some are debatable, while others are factually wrong. Taking them in order: (1) It is debatable whether Jesus spoke most of the time in Aramaic; he may have done much of his teaching in Greek. It is also not true that Aramaic is the oldest form of Hebrew. (2) and (3) A sleight of hand has occurred here: First, it is claimed that Jesus spoke in Aramaic, but then it is claimed that he spoke in Hebrew. Which is it? Although the characters for both languages are the same, the vocabulary has some key differences, especially in vowel points but also often in the very consonants used. (5) and (6) Is Isaiah really the source for the Christian view of Satan? It may contribute to our understanding, but even that is disputed. The one passage that may speak about Satan is indeed Isa 14. But part of the reason for this being so interpreted is due to the influence of the KJV. At v. 12 the King James says, “O Lucifer, son of the morning!” The word lucifer, however, is simply a transliteration of the Latin Vulgate at this point. It is not another name for Satan. The Hebrew word, helel means ‘morning star’ or ‘shining one.’ Most modern translations (the NKJV is the only exception I found of the translations I checked) do not translate helel as Lucifer; rather they have ‘shining one,’ ‘day star,’ ‘morning star,’ etc. (cf., e.g., NET, ASV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, TEV, REB, NIV, TNIV, NAB, NJB, HCSB). Of course, there are still excellent scholars who believe that Isa 14 is ultimately a reference to Satan, though in the historical context it was directed at the Babylonian king. (9) This is true, but irrelevant. To have the idea of ‘lightning from the heights’ would normally require a preposition, not a conjunction (see next point). (10) It seems to be an illegitimate leap to say ‘lightning and the heights’ means the same thing as ‘lightning from the heights.’ Indeed, there is a perfectly good Hebrew word that means ‘from’: min. But that would produce baraq min-bamot. It’s getting more difficult to see the validity of the narrator’s linguistic points. (11) When all is said and done, the evidence is simply bogus. Jesus didn’t speak in Hebrew, and the Hebrew that is given here does not mean ‘lightning from the heights.’ Baraq ubamah means ‘lightning and height.’ But that can hardly be the underlying Aramaic (which is not Hebrew) for the Greek text of Luke 10.18. Thus, a linguistic leap from Greek to Aramaic to Hebrew, with the grammar and vocabulary changing along the way, is required to make Luke 10.18 mean what the narrator wants it to mean. This is hardly a case of “I report; you decide.” It is rather a case of “I’ll tell you only part of the evidence, and will use some fancy exegetical gymnastics to make everything fit; and based on the skewered evidence, you decide.”

Now, to be sure, the President did say at one public meeting that the rumors that he was born in a manger are not true (!). I didn’t care for that comment (though it was in reaction to what many pundits, conservative politicians, and comedians had sarcastically said), nor do I care for many, if not most, of his policies. Perhaps he’s a little full of himself. And certainly there has been hype about him that goes beyond reason, some that is even blasphemous (e.g., Evan Thomas, of Newsweek, who said that Obama was ‘sort of God’ on MSNBC’s Hardball with Chris Matthews, to which Matthews replied, ‘yeah.’ It’s that kind of rhetoric that is more persuasive than the video, since it reflects the opinions of so many Americans and even the global community). But is he the Antichrist? In the least, the linguistic torturing required to make the biblical evidence say this is beyond the pale of reason and, perhaps, sanity.

This Op-Ed was originally published at Parchment and Pen, a theology blog hosted by Reclaiming the Mind Ministries.

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Dr. Daniel B. Wallace is a professor of New Testament Studies at Dallas Theological Seminary who influences students across the country through his textbook on intermediate Greek grammar, which is used in more than two-thirds of the nation’s schools that teach that subject. Dr. Wallace is also the senior New Testament editor of the NET Bible and coeditor of the NET-Nestle Greek-English diglot.


TOPICS: Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: antichrist; obama
WATCH THE VIDEO here

Here is a follow up video by the same narrator.
1 posted on 10/25/2009 8:39:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
As I understand it, the Anti-Christ will appeal to people like you and me. Now, I consider myself a fairly common man and The One does nothing for me (not even a tingle up or down my leg).
2 posted on 10/25/2009 8:44:04 AM PDT by ArchAngel1983 (Arch Angel- on guard)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t know about King Obama being the anti-Christ, but he damn well is the most self centered rotten communists this Country has ever seen. He is beyond redemption for the damage he has done to millions of Americans and he did it willingly. He is a child that never grew up and is just a rank playboy with a new toy..


3 posted on 10/25/2009 8:46:26 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ping for later.


4 posted on 10/25/2009 8:50:47 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama is too much of a pussy to be the Anti-Christ. I can’t seem to find anything in the Bible about a cowardly anti-Christ. Maybe I’m missing something.


5 posted on 10/25/2009 8:55:05 AM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: SeekAndFind
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6 posted on 10/25/2009 9:01:19 AM PDT by VU4G10
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To: SeekAndFind

I doubt the Anti-Christ needs a teleprompter.


7 posted on 10/25/2009 9:01:55 AM PDT by Starchoice
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To: SeekAndFind
I'm generally skeptical about claims of hidden biblical revelations about contemporary figures like Hussein being the anti-Christ. However, I'm just as skeptical of so called biblical scholars who torture the scriptures in an attempt debunk just about every revelation and undermine every truth contained within.

Hussein is a cult leader. No dispute there. I actually know several people who regard him as a spiritual leader of our age.

8 posted on 10/25/2009 9:09:34 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr (B. Hussein Obama is not the legitimate POTUS. He is nothing more than America's largest cult leader)
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To: SeekAndFind

9 posted on 10/25/2009 9:13:15 AM PDT by DogBarkTree (Support Sarah. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/sarahpalin?ref=nf)
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To: Jagdgewehr

“I actually know several people who regard him as a spiritual leader of our age.”

Louis Farakhan referred to him as “the messiah.”


10 posted on 10/25/2009 9:15:15 AM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: SeekAndFind

A most fortuitious joining of words, if this is in fact some kind of revelation.

Or it might just be just another unrelated incident. Or a piece of the puzzle that won’t be solved until just a few minutes too late.


11 posted on 10/25/2009 9:18:40 AM PDT by alloysteel (....the Kennedys can be regarded as dysfunctional. Even in death.)
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To: Starchoice

Good point; at least not a visible one.


12 posted on 10/25/2009 9:35:33 AM PDT by Ahithophel
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To: SeekAndFind

As I’ve said I don’t think he is but so many here on FR think he is definitely NOT that I am starting to wonder.

Here are some more similarities:

Is Obama the antichrist?

During his campaign in Europe he put his slogans on the Wailing Wall:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=70454

The term 666 refers to how much money Salomon got in taxes one year after he ‘went rouge’ on God. This was considered an unbearable burden on the people of ancient Israel. Obama raised close to 666 million dollars and his policies will eventually raise taxes to an unbearable level.
So John with this in mind says: “His number will be a number of man. His sign will be that he will place unbearable taxes on the people”.

Jesus says in Luke 10:18: “I saw Satan as Barack Obama…”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttIBKxI2W6s
He will be considered a man of peace. Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize.
The bible mentions a “Head Wound” as one of the things about the Antichrist.

This means something that is a mortal wound, that will stop you in your tracks, that will make normal life impossible.

Could it be the fact that legally he is ineligible to serve?

Certainly that would have been a mortal wound for most presidential campaigns.

It has been reported that one of his first major acts as President was to federally fund stem cell research (which is superfluous since adults stem cells will do) and to fund abortions worldwide. Not only does this sound exactly like the first thing that the AntiChrist would do, Europe is already in danger of going to Sharia law because of low birth rates of Christians compared to Muslims.

While it is widely accepted that the Catholic Church will be the instrument of the devil in the end days, actually the antichrist will have a confrontation with the Catholic Church. This story broke recently:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-081111bishops,0,3307557.story

And there are ongoing conflicts with the Catholic Church and 0bama.

Nostradamus on the AntiChrist:

“When his time comes he will take advantage of the political situation

in a country to rise to power. It will not matter that he is not a

native of the country. He will take advantage of loopholes and

contrive positions. He may aggressively and audaciously seize a

position in a military organization…”

Vol 1 Pg 180

The antichrist is expected to be rather hard on Israel. This looks like it might be shaping up. It also looks like he will use the ‘fairness doctrine’ to silence talk radio, the Internet and Fox news. He has talked about a ‘civilian force as well funded as the military’ that will NOT be like Nazi brown shirts. They will be “green shirts”.The Third Secret of Fatima in addition to predicting JohnPaul II’s attempted assignation predicted that the FOLLOWING POPE would be the last. Pope Benedict XVI is now 80.

Well I am not saying he is the antichrist I am just mentioning this for consideration.

And hopefully he’ll be out of office in 2012.

Wait a minute that is the end of the Mayan Calendar!


13 posted on 10/25/2009 9:38:03 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (To those who believe the world was safer with Saddam, get treatment for that!)
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To: Ezekiel

Ping


14 posted on 10/25/2009 9:38:59 AM PDT by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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To: Jagdgewehr
Hussein is a cult leader.

Jim Jones on a larger scale.
15 posted on 10/25/2009 9:42:16 AM PDT by Overtaxed Patriot (Lock and load)
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To: Starchoice

maybe it’s the teleprompter needs a mouthpiece...


16 posted on 10/25/2009 9:57:20 AM PDT by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

This means something that is a mortal wound, that will stop you in your tracks, that will make normal life impossible.

This is it !!! When he is proven to be the unserper, all of Europe and Asia want him to be the world ruler, this is after he recovers.


17 posted on 10/25/2009 10:12:40 AM PDT by buck61
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To: ElayneJ

Farakhan is a Muslim. They are waiting on their Mehdi, messiah of evil , we know him as the anti Christ....

I sure haven’t seen anything about Obama that is pro Christ.


18 posted on 10/25/2009 10:15:41 AM PDT by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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To: ArchAngel1983

[[As I understand it, the Anti-Christ will appeal to people like you and me.]]

Where does it say the antiChrist will appeal to Christians? Obama certainly appeals to most of the world, with some nations bowing down, and cheering him on and singign about him (heck- they even have our kids singign songs about him now)- He does fit some profiles of antiChrist, yet doesn’t in other areas- but I’ve never heard that the AntiChrist is goign to appeal to true Christians?


19 posted on 10/25/2009 10:16:22 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: buck61

[[This is it !!! When he is proven to be the unserper, all of Europe and Asia want him to be the world ruler, this is after he recovers.]]

Very interesting Scenario— but I think the bible is talking about literally being dead i nthe streets for several days, so that there is no doubt about his death- The bible also talks of peopel viewing the body- I beleive it’s talking literally dead- but perhaps I’m wrong


20 posted on 10/25/2009 10:19:14 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: SeekAndFind
More like a Manchurian anti-Christ.
I don't think he's smart enough.
And I would think that the antichrist would be more pro-active and not a "present" voter.
21 posted on 10/25/2009 10:29:27 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Obi-Wan Palin: Strike her down and she shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.)
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To: CottShop

The anti-christ goes after Christians. That is because Christians won’t bow down to him in worship. But much of the world and even the US will do it when the left makes it politically incorrect to do otherwise. We saw the power of the radical left in imposing the lie of global warming on the world. It became dangerous for anyone to expose the lie - to go against the NWO agenda behind the lie. Rinos bowed down to the quickly so they would not be singled out and ridiculed by the liars like George Bush was.


22 posted on 10/25/2009 10:34:21 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: CottShop
”Where does it say the antiChrist will appeal to Christians?"

I’m not sure it says that anywhere. However, the AntiChrist will be known as The Great Deceiver and so implies that many ‘good’ & ‘Godly’ people will fall for his charm & charisma. I do admit I may be wrong though.

23 posted on 10/25/2009 10:35:19 AM PDT by ArchAngel1983 (Arch Angel- on guard)
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To: CottShop
I am not a Christian but I believe Mathew 24:24 is commonly sited. And keep in mind....Obama could not have been elected without a huge Christian vote and I know a lot Christians who did vote for him and even now still support him.

I dont get it myself.

24 posted on 10/25/2009 10:38:12 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: Starchoice

So were Stalin, Mussolini, and Hitler just the warm-up acts?


25 posted on 10/25/2009 10:41:28 AM PDT by 1951Boomer
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To: luvEastTenn

I’m not even sure the Anti-Christ is supposed to be an actual person.


26 posted on 10/25/2009 10:54:10 AM PDT by Starchoice
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To: SeekAndFind
(11) When all is said and done, the evidence is simply bogus. Jesus didn’t speak in Hebrew, and the Hebrew that is given here does not mean ‘lightning from the heights.’ Baraq ubamah means ‘lightning and height.’ But that can hardly be the underlying Aramaic (which is not Hebrew) for the Greek text of Luke 10.18. Thus, a linguistic leap from Greek to Aramaic to Hebrew, with the grammar and vocabulary changing along the way, is required to make Luke 10.18 mean what the narrator wants it to mean. This is hardly a case of “I report; you decide.” It is rather a case of “I’ll tell you only part of the evidence, and will use some fancy exegetical gymnastics to make everything fit; and based on the skewered evidence, you decide.

...

But is he the Antichrist? In the least, the linguistic torturing required to make the biblical evidence say this is beyond the pale of reason and, perhaps, sanity.

So how many of those that replied in this thread actually read that part?

27 posted on 10/25/2009 10:57:21 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("What is your only comfort, in life and death?" "That I an not my own, but belong, body and soul...")
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To: Starchoice

What if he’s the false prophet with Soros as AC?

Has anyone read about Soros?


28 posted on 10/25/2009 10:57:41 AM PDT by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
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To: xmission

Soros is way too old.


29 posted on 10/25/2009 11:17:54 AM PDT by Starchoice
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To: blasater1960

[p[I dont get it myself.]]

Me eithber- A lot of people call themselves Christians, but have never accepted Christ as Savior- and I can see people like htis being deceived, but I think true Christians might see through the deceit- however, when it coems to the political pressure, they may cave in- although I think the true Christians will not accept hte mark of hte beast- I think some bad times are coming quickly, and obama certainly IS using political position to force people to accept his policies by making it politically incorrect to oppse him like SarahJohnson corectly stated- We can see the dems manuevering into position already, and I’m not sure if obama is goign to be hte one, but it’s certainly a possibility, as much of the ‘politically correct’ far left aroudn hte world do indeed worship him without question


30 posted on 10/25/2009 11:18:46 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Lee N. Field

[[So how many of those that replied in this thread actually read that part?]]

I am not goign to stand one way or the other on the issue- because hte bible is obscure about who will be the AC- BUT, I will look at hte actions of the far left, and compare it with what the bible speaks about that we can know- and it’s clear the far left has a decideldly anti-Christian, anti-God, anti-Morals agenda that seemingly fit end times prophecy- however, all ages have thought the end times were near, and that signs were beign fulfilled- but I do think the time is nearing, and we might possibly be witness to it


31 posted on 10/25/2009 11:22:50 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t believe Obama’s the anti-christ, but I do believe he’s one of the opening acts.


32 posted on 10/25/2009 11:27:29 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Hope....Change...Bullsh*t)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

As you might well know, I am not a fan of Obama and have not and WILL NEVER VOTE FOR HIM. In fact, I strongly believe that his policies if implemented, are going to be
a disaster for this country, not only today but for future generations to come.

Having said that, I have to say that this video is STRETCHING IT.

There have been many attempts in the past to try to pinpoint who the anti-christ is, from the Pope in Rome to Hitler to even Ronald Reagan.

In the 80’s someone said that Reagan had the mark of the beast in him -— 666. Why ?

Well because his full name is RONALD WILSON REAGAN

RONALD — 6 characters
WILSON — 6 characters
REAGAN — 6 characters.

See how easy it is to make things up ?

If you’re against Obama’s policies, then go and fight his policies. But please, let’s not abuse our interpretation of the Bible to support our political ideology.


33 posted on 10/25/2009 1:10:32 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (wH)
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To: Starchoice

Just curios why you think age is an issue?


34 posted on 10/25/2009 2:21:59 PM PDT by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
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To: xmission

As an edit, his real name is Shwartz which does come out to 666. (played with it a bit after reading about this man full of sin).


35 posted on 10/25/2009 2:23:21 PM PDT by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
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To: xmission

Because I doubt an old geezer like Soros would have the charisma of the Anti-Christ.


36 posted on 10/25/2009 3:22:19 PM PDT by Starchoice
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To: SeekAndFind

I understand the confusion I see in the responses here.

I too have always given people too much credit.

Face It: The a/C is a numbnut too—that’s the long and the short of it.


37 posted on 10/25/2009 3:52:18 PM PDT by gunnyg (Just An Old Gunny ~ And *Still* Not A F'en Commie Basterd!)
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