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Will Cardinal Peter Turkson Someday Become "Peter the Roman"?
Patrick Madrid ^ | 10/26/2009 | Patrick Madrid

Posted on 10/26/2009 10:03:41 AM PDT by Patrick Madrid

Most everyone has heard of the controversial Prophecies of Saint Malachy, which, it is said, were given by the 12th century Irish bishop. The prophecies are a series of brief and enigmatic statements in Latin pertaining to each of the future popes after Malachy's day, concluding with the final entry:

"In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and thedreadful Judge will judge the people. The End."

It's not my intention here to enter into the debate over whether these prophecies are authentic or not — there are arguments for and against their authenticity — but rather, I mention this issue in conjunction with the recent announcement that Cardinal Peter Turkson of Ghana (who is clearly not a Roman by birth) has been called to Rome to join the Vatican Curia. I am sure that this move will fuel discussion and speculation among those who will see in Cardinal Turkson's appointment something which may be connected with the Prophecies of Saint Malachy. . . .

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: cardinalnamedpeter

1 posted on 10/26/2009 10:03:42 AM PDT by Patrick Madrid
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To: Patrick Madrid

save


2 posted on 10/26/2009 10:05:49 AM PDT by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: Patrick Madrid

I surmise that the individual that fulfills ‘Peter the Roman’ will not be named Peter much in the same way that the previous individuals that fulfilled their supposed roles did not have direct naming associated with them. Just a guess ...


3 posted on 10/26/2009 10:11:37 AM PDT by TexGuy (If it has the slimmest of chances of being considered sarcasm ... IT IS!)
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To: Patrick Madrid

Cardinal Turkson is a young man to be elected pope. I believe that he’s currently 61. Making predictions about the next conclave is a tricky business. However, most would likely agree that after the pontificate of John Paul II, many cardinals probably thought that in electing the already-elderly Cardinal Ratzinger that they would get a nice “transitional pope,” a breather after more than two decades of Pope John Paul II.

But as Pope Benedict’s reign rounds toward the five-year mark, and as the activity level of this pontiff seems only to increase, should Pope Benedict live several more years and continue to reign actively, the cardinals may feel more than ever the need for a truly transitional papacy.

They won’t elect anyone under the age of 70 or 75, if they can help it. I wouldn’t be surprised if they elected someone no longer even eligible to vote in the conclave (that is, over the age of 80).

Of course, Cardinal Turkson may well still be around for the conclave after the next one. And perhaps, having had a breather from active popes with long reigns, the cardinals will be ready to elect him.

But not this next time.


4 posted on 10/26/2009 10:14:19 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: TexGuy

My thoughts exactly - better of looking for someone who is a Roman by birth or extraction. They may change their name to Peter.

Mel


5 posted on 10/26/2009 10:15:40 AM PDT by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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To: Patrick Madrid
...coupled with his name being raised with increasing frequency by those who prognosticate about who will succeed Pope Benedict on the Chair of Peter, this announcemen...

LOL...the likelihood of Cdl Peter ascending the throne of Peter is in direct inverse proportion to the number of times he winds up on 'Papabile" lists. The more he's mentioned the less likely that event becomes.

6 posted on 10/26/2009 10:16:11 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: TexGuy
That's right. If he became Pope he wouldn't be called Peter, and he wouldn't be "The Roman", but the "Ghanaian".

But in every other way this is in accordance with age-old prophecy :0)

7 posted on 10/26/2009 10:16:30 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: TexGuy
"Will Cardinal Peter Turkson Someday Become "Peter the Roman"?"

Not very likely unless everything else that has to happen first comes to pass. Don't Papal nominees change their names, in any event?

8 posted on 10/26/2009 10:16:48 AM PDT by redhead (They are running SCARED, folks! :o) Check out the Halfbaked Sourdough at mukluk.wordpress.com)
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To: sitetest

I agree with you in general about what are likely to be the sensibilities of the college of electors in the next conclave, whenever that may be. But keep in mind that I am not making any predictions here. I take notice of this new appointment insofar as it is likely to become a source of speculation and prediction among those who *do* engage in this tricky business.


9 posted on 10/26/2009 10:17:11 AM PDT by Patrick Madrid
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To: TexGuy

A person elected pope selects a new name - it is never their old name.


10 posted on 10/26/2009 10:18:04 AM PDT by Ingtar (Asses far Left of me; Rinos to the Left; FReepin' on the Right with you.)
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To: Patrick Madrid
Other folks in other parts of Christendom make a specialty of looping off after wacky "prophecies".

Do we really need to join them?

11 posted on 10/26/2009 10:19:58 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Patrick Madrid

This is odd for a couple of reasons, aside from the fact that he is obviously not a Roman. First, there is more than one Peter among the Cardinal Electors, and there are five or six among all the Cardinals. Why does the writer think it is this particular Peter? Second, the Holy Father always assumes a new name. They rarely choose their own names, so it is unlikely this person would be Pope Peter even if he was named Pope.


12 posted on 10/26/2009 10:23:53 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: redhead

Taking a new name upon being elected pope is a longstanding and venerable practice, but it’s by no means either mandatory or absolute. The first several popes, for example, kept their own names.


13 posted on 10/26/2009 10:26:14 AM PDT by Patrick Madrid
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To: Patrick Madrid

I’m a little shocked that you’re giving this silliness the exposure you are.

* The “Peter the Roman” passage is not native to the “Prophecies of Malachy,” but was a much later addition.
* Nothing in the Prophecies of Malachy, even if we were to treat Peter the Roman as if it were part of the original, suggests that Peter the Roman would come immediately after the Glory of the Olives.
* In fairness, you broach this: There would be nothing unique about there being a Roman pontiff being named “Peter,” if it refers to his given name. Much more likely, it would have to do with him being a native son of Rome with some other great similarity to St. Peter the apostle.


14 posted on 10/26/2009 10:27:14 AM PDT by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

You misunderstand the nature of my blog post. I am not “joining” anyone. I’m pointing out that this new development will likely become a topic of speculation.


15 posted on 10/26/2009 10:27:57 AM PDT by Patrick Madrid
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To: ArrogantBustard
A similar thought entered my mind. When JPII died these seers were announcing that a present Austrian Cardinal would be “Peter the Roman” and would fulfill the prophesy of Malachy. Too bad these seers can't correctly predict the weekly football games and we could make some money.
16 posted on 10/26/2009 10:35:12 AM PDT by bronx2
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To: Patrick Madrid

(PS: I’m sure you know each of those three points; I don’t mean to “school” someone I have learned so much from. I only mean to recall them into the conversation.)


17 posted on 10/26/2009 10:40:56 AM PDT by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: La Lydia

>> First, there is more than one Peter among the Cardinal Electors, and there are five or six among all the Cardinals. <<

I’m guessing it will be Peter Cardinal Erdo of Buda-Pest, Peter the Romani. HHOK! Hey, it’s no sillier than the notion that Cardinal Martini would be “the Glory of the Olives.”

You owe the oracle five Hail Marys for committing Cardinal Sin.


18 posted on 10/26/2009 10:50:36 AM PDT by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: dangus

Not to worry. I understand how you meant them. Thanks for adding to the conversation.


19 posted on 10/26/2009 10:50:51 AM PDT by Patrick Madrid
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To: dangus

But don’t martinis and olives go together? I sure think so!


20 posted on 10/26/2009 10:51:58 AM PDT by Patrick Madrid
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To: dangus; La Lydia; Patrick Madrid
Now how in the world could one commit Cardinal Sin?

Particularly considering he passed away in 2005?

21 posted on 10/26/2009 11:01:30 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Patrick Madrid
Dear Patrick Madrid,

I understand completely. Just pointing out that Cardinal Turkson probably isn't that high on the list of papabile. At least not this time around.


sitetest

22 posted on 10/26/2009 11:23:09 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: bronx2

You’re probably talking about the Hungarian I was joking about, Peter Cardinal Erdo. No, he’s not actually a gypsy, but being a Hungarian, I joked about him being Peter the Romani.


23 posted on 10/26/2009 11:24:04 AM PDT by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: bronx2

You’re probably talking about the Hungarian I was joking about, Peter Cardinal Erdo. No, he’s not actually a gypsy, but being a Hungarian, I joked about him being Peter the Romani.

(UPDATE)

I take that back: Turns out Peter Cardinal Erdo really has built close ties to the Romani.


24 posted on 10/26/2009 11:27:23 AM PDT by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: markomalley

Now you’ve gone and violated Cardinal Law. Which is better than being violated BY Cardinal Law.


25 posted on 10/26/2009 11:29:55 AM PDT by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: dangus

Yes, he was the one I read about in the past. However, it is a shame that the Church can’t find someone who is Irish to be Pope. After all, I always thought God is Irish. Please don’t argue to the contrary and spoil my day.


26 posted on 10/26/2009 11:31:06 AM PDT by bronx2
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To: dangus
Now you’ve gone and violated Cardinal Law

Now that is plain disgusting. Enough of that kind of thing.

27 posted on 10/26/2009 11:32:44 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Patrick Madrid

**Will Cardinal Peter Turkson Someday Become “Peter the Roman”?**

And the last Pope that will send the REAL Catholic Church underground like it is right now in China?


28 posted on 10/26/2009 3:56:23 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Patrick Madrid

The three cardinals who are over 80 are:

_Monsignor Andrea Cordero Lanza Di Montezemolo, archpriest of the Basilica of St. Paul’s Outside the Walls, in Rome.

_Monsignor Peter Poreku Dery, archbishop emeritus of Tamale, Ghana.

_Rev. Albert Vanhoye, the former Jesuit rector of the Pontifical Biblical Institute and secretary of the Pontifical Biblical Commission.

Source:
http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/15new.htm


29 posted on 11/16/2009 8:09:56 PM PST by Kalin
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To: Patrick Madrid

Seems like the last Pope will be Peter Kodwo Appiah Card. TURKSON:

http://www.catholic-pages.com/hierarchy/cardinals_bio.asp?ref=219

Enjoy!


30 posted on 11/16/2009 8:10:52 PM PST by Kalin
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To: bronx2

Ah,to be sure—y’are someone after me own heart, y’are.
:-)


31 posted on 11/16/2009 11:43:14 PM PST by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: Patrick Madrid

Jesus Christ has raised me from the dead!

I am in the process of attempting to respond to the first 1000 results in a google search for ‘Peter the Roman’, the final pontiff in the St. Malachy prophecies. Total results are over 3 million. Yet, the prophecy given in 1139 A.D. was in virtual obscurity for over 400 years until the invention of the printing press. In the computer age there has been a resurgence in the interest of the list of names.

As Jesus Christ spoke of not rejoicing over our ability to pray that our joy may be full, but that our names are written in heaven, and the fact that Jesus Christ has raised me from the dead to the office of ‘Peter the Roman’, I hold that the list of names in the St. Malachy prophecies are akin to, if not exactly, those very names written in heaven.

Even Nostradamus spoke of ‘Peter the Roman’ in Century VII, #24.

The use of ‘the strong one’ in the quatrain refers to Daniel 7:7.

Jesus Christ’s resurrecting me is in His fulfillment of an agreement of contract law (Matthew 3:15) into which both He and I entered prior to my baptising Him.

This entry came up in the 1-100 page of results.

I am pleased to meet you.

Please feel free to respond.

The reality of the future is not totally revealed to us, it is written, “eye hath not seen, nor ear heard of the wonders God has in store for us.”

As Christ had sent me to bear him witness, I now bear witness that HEAVEN IS GREAT!!!

The world will be saved through the Blessed Virgin Mary’s Brown Scapular and Rosary as prophesied.

I normally use my surname, Edward Palamar, but I remain:

the resurrected John,
Prophet of the Most High,
whom Jesus Christ called the “Elias who was to come.”,
St. John the Baptist,
enjoying the rapture in the call of duty as Peter the Roman
__________

The regular problem I find in explaining what is plain to me (private revelation) is that some others regard what I say as a claim, as if they are holding something of mine (as a cloak check) that I need to present proof in order to regain that something of mine. For anyone to be this way indicates they indeed do have or think they have something of mine, else they wouldn’t try to barter as such. Christ himself said, “An evil and wicked generation demands a sign.” In that regard, I could just as well keep my mouth shut. But I do rejoice.

I trust Jesus as God to know the better of His plans, especially when it comes to putting spirit in and out of men. Is not our breath the breath of God? I think so. Christ also said, “If you are prepared to receive it, he (John [the Baptist]) was the Elijah who was to come.” I, personally, don’t think I was prepared to recieve it, but am capable now of understanding that.

God once took a man to heaven bodily, the prophet Elijah. As God appeared to Moses in the burning bush because to see God’s glory directly would have caused Moses to die, something happened to Elijah to prevent him from suffering a similar fate for many years even though it is recorded that he went to heaven in a whirlwind. Any time beyond 120 years would have been the normal end for Elijah. It was part of God’s plan to bring Elijah back in spirit, not in the flesh.

The spirit of Elijah was put back into corruptable flesh and God had created a living soul. Christ died to save souls. The Father in heaven via the angel gave the name “John” to that particular living soul. In essence, “John” was not given a seperate breath but that of Elijah. But when Christ raises that soul of “John”, “John” is given a new course of both body and spirit, making “John” a living soul again.

In essence, I have been given a free ride. But such is the existence of any creature of God. “God blesses and curses whom He pleases.” All living souls owe their existences to God, the Giver of Life. It is God who makes their souls alive. It is God’s prerogative to name and apportion spirit as He sees proper.


32 posted on 01/23/2010 9:09:55 AM PST by Edward Palamar
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To: Patrick Madrid
It is interesting to note on the same line that “Appia(h)” is the old road to Rome . Via Appia. Very apt.
33 posted on 03/21/2010 5:08:34 AM PDT by St.Maurice
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